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RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - L469 YVK - 01 Mar 2023
Serious question.....but does the 51 carry any decent loads from Benton Rise or the development across the road?
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - peter - 01 Mar 2023
(01 Mar 2023, 8:08 pm)Aaron21 There is no way in hell gct can run the 19,71,X46 while keeping the PVR of the 342/335.
19 required 3
71 required 2
X46 required 1
84/84A/W1 only loses 2 buses
The K2 has also been lost. So a PVR increase of 3 for the company
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Aaron21 - 01 Mar 2023
(01 Mar 2023, 10:02 pm)peter The K2 has also been lost. So a PVR increase of 3 for the companyThat still isn't enough. There's still some unaccounted for
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - DeltaMan - 01 Mar 2023
(01 Mar 2023, 10:02 pm)peter The K2 has also been lost. So a PVR increase of 3 for the company84/84A is 2
K2 is 1
W1 is 1
So that's 4 saved on NEXUS contracts.
They then need 4 for the 19 and X46. One assumes something bigger than a breadvan for the 19s!
So the 71 takes them to two extra needed. Unless I'm missing something.
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Shrek - 01 Mar 2023
Will GCT be required to accept card payments on all of the services this time?
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - peter - 02 Mar 2023
(01 Mar 2023, 10:42 pm)DeltaMan 84/84A is 2
K2 is 1
W1 is 1
So that's 4 saved on NEXUS contracts.
They then need 4 for the 19 and X46. One assumes something bigger than a breadvan for the 19s!
So the 71 takes them to two extra needed. Unless I'm missing something.
Ah didn't realise it was 2 for the 84/84A. Indeed, did think the services being lost tend to be ran by the Strata's but it depends on the capacity of the contract I suppose
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Storx - 02 Mar 2023
(01 Mar 2023, 10:02 pm)peter The K2 has also been lost. So a PVR increase of 3 for the company
Not to mention the TB14, TB22, TB23 and TB29 a month later which are all gone.
Also the 19 is still tendered as full size buses so unless they get an exclusion like GNE did they need bigger buses than the sort MMC's.
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Unber43 - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 4:19 pm)Storx Not to mention the TB14, TB22, TB23 and TB29 a month later which are all gone.They've got some longer ones which are used on PR1/PR2 not sure if they were loan or not.
Also the 19 is still tendered as full size buses so unless they get an exclusion like GNE did they need bigger buses than the sort MMC's.
However GNE are always mixing between 11.5m Versa's & Solo's
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Storx - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 5:24 pm)Unber43 They've got some longer ones which are used on PR1/PR2 not sure if they were loan or not.
However GNE are always mixing between 11.5m Versa's & Solo's
Aye GNE got an exception for it, so unless they do something then they'll need something else.
There's not enough to take the P&R ones though but then again they won't have enough buses anyway so no doubt they'll just get some more with the 71 aswell. They've lost nothing minibus as far as I'm aware (W1, K1 and 84/84A all being breadvans).
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Aaron21 - 02 Mar 2023
The 84/84A is 1 bus as the 84/84A don't run at the same time
W1 is 1 bus but has a 84/84A bus on an evening
K2 drops one bus but it still doesn't count for the PVR of the rest.
19 needing 3 buses, 71 needing 2 and X46 needing 1.
If gct have kept the 342/335 then ill be shocked how in the world they plan to run the new services. They are struggling now even running the 82A. Plus I don't think gct have that many drivers
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - peter - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 6:36 pm)Aaron21 The 84/84A is 1 bus as the 84/84A don't run at the same time
W1 is 1 bus but has a 84/84A bus on an evening
K2 drops one bus but it still doesn't count for the PVR of the rest.
19 needing 3 buses, 71 needing 2 and X46 needing 1.
If gct have kept the 342/335 then ill be shocked how in the world they plan to run the new services. They are struggling now even running the 82A. Plus I don't think gct have that many drivers
The 84 and 84A is a bit of a mystery actually, Nexus have a timetable for an hourly 84A on their website but no evidence of the 84. According to BusTimes the 84 and 84A both run hourly, but according to the vehicles tracking GCT are using one vehicle running every 2 hours on each.
No wonder nobody's using it when there's not an accurate timetable anywhere lol
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Aaron21 - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 6:54 pm)peter The 84 and 84A is a bit of a mystery actually, Nexus have a timetable for an hourly 84A on their website but no evidence of the 84. According to BusTimes the 84 and 84A both run hourly, but according to the vehicles tracking GCT are using one vehicle running every 2 hours on each.Bustimes.org shows it does two each. 84A/84A to 84/84 to 84A/84A
No wonder nobody's using it when there's not an accurate timetable anywhere lol
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Jimmi - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 6:54 pm)peter The 84 and 84A is a bit of a mystery actually, Nexus have a timetable for an hourly 84A on their website but no evidence of the 84. According to BusTimes the 84 and 84A both run hourly, but according to the vehicles tracking GCT are using one vehicle running every 2 hours on each.It's meant to be hourly on both routes (as timetable on BusTimes shows) with each bus changing from an 84 to an 84A at Newcastle and vice versa and has been for years, chances are, either there's something amiss with the tracking or GCT are not running the service as advertised.
No wonder nobody's using it when there's not an accurate timetable anywhere lol
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - V514DFT - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 8:15 pm)Jimmi It's meant to be hourly on both routes (as timetable on BusTimes shows) with each bus changing from an 84 to an 84A at Newcastle and vice versa and has been for years, chances are, either there's something amiss with the tracking or GCT are not running the service as advertised.Im thinking the latter, remember how many people said 11'sand 41/41A's weren't turning up when they had those services
Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Dan - 02 Mar 2023
(01 Mar 2023, 11:14 pm)Shrek Will GCT be required to accept card payments on all of the services this time?
Yes, new contracts specify contactless ETMs.
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Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Dan - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 4:19 pm)Storx Not to mention the TB14, TB22, TB23 and TB29 a month later which are all gone.
Also the 19 is still tendered as full size buses so unless they get an exclusion like GNE did they need bigger buses than the sort MMC's.
Gateshead Central’s mini E200s are mincap60 (they have a huge number of standees permitted legally, even if it is completely impractical), so meet the contract requirements.
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RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Unber43 - 02 Mar 2023
I know Nexus has a requirment of X amount of seats, but do those X amount of seats ever actually get filled.
As I doubt 19 will ever get a QuayCity full. Also what happens say the amount of seats/standing is 40 and the requirment is 45 do the operators have to pay a fine
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Storx - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 10:22 pm)Dan Gateshead Central’s mini E200s are mincap60 (they have a huge number of standees permitted legally, even if it is completely impractical), so meet the contract requirements.
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Ah wouldn't like to be on any single decker with that many people on board, never mind a short E200. Assuming it's designed for first school children as I can't see it actually being possible.
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Aaron21 - 02 Mar 2023
(02 Mar 2023, 10:51 pm)Unber43 I know Nexus has a requirment of X amount of seats, but do those X amount of seats ever actually get filled.19 on the occasion has gotten full when a Versa was on
As I doubt 19 will ever get a QuayCity full. Also what happens say the amount of seats/standing is 40 and the requirment is 45 do the operators have to pay a fine
RE: Newcastle and North Tyneside Tenders - March 2023 - Storx - 03 Mar 2023
(01 Mar 2023, 8:27 am)Aaron21 51 will still be ran by Arriva between Newcastle & Whitley Bay however evening trips will operate between Newcastle & Holystone Park with a different operater
W2 will continue to operate the same route & timetable & operater
Was just thinking about this, does anyone know if the W2 is the new W2 or the old W2 as if this goes ahead then it means there's going to be absolutely no bus service between Sainsbury's and Whitley Bay via Whitley Lodge in an evening.
I understand cost cutting etc but this is a massive area to have absolutely nothing beyond 6pm or whatever who has always had an hourly service at least especially if you want people out of cars and there's really no alternative without a long walk.