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RE: Arriva 2015 Order - Malarkey - 14/12/2014

(24/11/2014, 16:10)tyresmoke Wrote: Hello everyone.... It's that time of year again, the 2014 order has been completed and we move onto the 2015 order.

More will hopefully become clear in the near future, but here is what I have found out so far...

ADL Enviro 200 (6)
6 Wales (Wrexham) - services 3/4

ADL Enviro 400 (112?)
5 North East (Darlington.Durham) - SAPPHIRE 7
2 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
16 North West (Bootle) - services 52/52A
11 North West (Green Lane) - service 10B
26 North West (St Helens) - services 10/10A
12? Shires (Aylesbury) - SAPPHIRE 280
8 Wales (Chester) - SAPPHIRE 10
16 Yorkshire (Belle Isle) - MAX 110
16 Yorkshire (Dewsbury) - MAX 202/203

Wright Streetlite DF (50)
25 Midlands (Telford)
6 North East (Durham) - SAPPHIRE 6
6 North West (Birkenhead) - service 487
13 Shires (Stevenage) - SAPPHIRE 100/101

Wright Streetlite WF (12)
6 S.Counties (Tunbridge Wells) - service 281
6 Wales (Rhyl) - services 35/36, 83/84 (rumoured)

Total order - 180(?)

(14/12/2014, 19:47)tyresmoke Wrote: As far as I know they are all Euro 5 versions - but I'm not 100%

Isnt there a E400MMC currently on Demonstration with Arriva Yorkshire on Service 110, And might this suggest that perhaps Next Years Enviro 400 Order will indeed be E400MMCs.


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - Kuyoyo - 21/12/2014

(14/12/2014, 20:27)Malarkey Wrote: Isnt there a E400MMC currently on Demonstration with Arriva Yorkshire on Service 110, And might this suggest that perhaps Next Years Enviro 400 Order will indeed be E400MMCs.

There is a E400MMC demonstrator with Arriva Yorkshire, now reported at Dewsbury. However, considering the ANE and AY orders are also in with the ANW orders which are now being delivery, they will likely all be of the old Euro5 styling.

Which actually brings me to this tweet yesterday from ANE&Y MD Nigel Featham:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>Confirmation that Arriva Sapphire will be coming to Yorkshire in Spring 2015! <a href="https://twitter.com/arrivayorkshire">@arrivayorkshire</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hickster1972">@hickster1972</a></p>&mdash; Nigel Featham (@ArriNigel) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArriNigel/status/546234586456670208">December 20, 2014</a></blockquote>

And confirmation on Travel West Yorkshire Forum from Wakefield staff confirm that the 16 E400s destined for Wakefield's Belle Isle are now to 'Sapphire' specification rather than 'MAX'.


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - tyresmoke - 22/12/2014

(21/12/2014, 18:24)Kuyoyo Wrote: There is a E400MMC demonstrator with Arriva Yorkshire, now reported at Dewsbury. However, considering the ANE and AY orders are also in with the ANW orders which are now being delivery, they will likely all be of the old Euro5 styling.

Which actually brings me to this tweet yesterday from ANE&Y MD Nigel Featham:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en-gb"><p>Confirmation that Arriva Sapphire will be coming to Yorkshire in Spring 2015! <a href="https://twitter.com/arrivayorkshire">@arrivayorkshire</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hickster1972">@hickster1972</a></p>&mdash; Nigel Featham (@ArriNigel) <a href="https://twitter.com/ArriNigel/status/546234586456670208">December 20, 2014</a></blockquote>

And confirmation on Travel West Yorkshire Forum from Wakefield staff confirm that the 16 E400s destined for Wakefield's Belle Isle are now to 'Sapphire' specification rather than 'MAX'.

The E400MMC demo is currently at Heckmondwike depot being trialled on the 254/255 routes.

As for the Sapphire route in Yorkshire, I can't see any confirmation that the 110 will be getting it (just a First staff member saying 110) - and I would be surprised if they changed from Max to Sapphire this late into the order... I stand corrected if you can point it out though! I have a feeling that there'll be another route to be upgraded, on top of the 2 already selected for the Max treatment. Could the MMCs latest posting be a hint?


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - L469 YVK - 25/12/2014

I know you will probably all laugh at me, but here is my suggestion on what the 2015 orders and allocations should look like for the North East. Now please note that I haven't included every route but I've included the ones affected as well as making some specification change suggestions. The main points include:


- More powerful vehicles for services X15 / X18 / X21 / X22 to improve reliability and punctuality thanks to 25 new vehicles.
- Powerful summer extras for service X93.
- 43/44/45 upgraded to double decks with just over half being less than 3-4 year old.
- Services X10 / X11 upgraded to Sapphire with all bar 1 vehicle (09 reg), less than 1 year old.
- Services X4 / X5 and X13 upgraded to MAX specification with generic branding to allow flexibility. Newer vehicles would be allocated to X4 / X5 as first resort.
- More premium spare vehicles for Blyth and Ashington depots.
- Sapphire service 7 fully double deck with 1 Sapphire spare.

Here's the sheet folks: [attachment=6193]

________________________________________________________________________________________________________

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL ARRIVA PUBLICATION AND IS MERELY AN ENTHUSIAST'S PUBLICATION. THIS HAS NO BEARING OR RESEMBLANCE OF ARRIVA.

Many Thanks


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - Tommy1581 - 13/01/2015

Any more news on the orders?


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - Malarkey - 14/01/2015

(22/12/2014, 13:43)tyresmoke Wrote: The E400MMC demo is currently at Heckmondwike depot being trialled on the 254/255 routes.

As for the Sapphire route in Yorkshire, I can't see any confirmation that the 110 will be getting it (just a First staff member saying 110) - and I would be surprised if they changed from Max to Sapphire this late into the order... I stand corrected if you can point it out though! I have a feeling that there'll be another route to be upgraded, on top of the 2 already selected for the Max treatment. Could the MMCs latest posting be a hint?
Could the Wright Streetdeck be an option as Arriva Derbys have entered Service on the 38 Today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55432463@N08/16276070791/


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - S813 FVK - 14/01/2015

(14/01/2015, 15:47)Malarkey Wrote: Could the Wright Streetdeck be an option as Arriva Derbys have entered Service on the 38 Today.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55432463@N08/16276070791/

Just posted that info in the East Midlands thread of the 'Other bus companies' section of the forum for reference. (and because i didnt realise you had posted it on this thread Tongue )


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - L469 YVK - 14/01/2015

To be honest, with the exception of the 308, I don't see either the Streetdeck or Volvo B5TL Gemini 3 fitting into any doubledeck route for Arriva North East whatsoever. I think Arriva should stick with ADL bodywork for all bus types and if they see the benefits of using a heavyweight type on the X93, the Scania Chassis on the E400 MMC would be ideal for the Ashington Express work and the X10 / X11 from Blyth but, as Arriva like it, they put fuel economy before reliability and punctuality. If they cared about them two, they would've ordered B9TLs or N230s when they were on the market rather than E400s and DB300s


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - Tommy1581 - 14/01/2015

(14/01/2015, 21:21)DaveyBowyer Wrote: To be honest, with the exception of the 308, I don't see either the Streetdeck or Volvo B5TL Gemini 3 fitting into any doubledeck route for Arriva North East whatsoever. I think Arriva should stick with ADL bodywork for all bus types and if they see the benefits of using a heavyweight type on the X93, the Scania Chassis on the E400 MMC would be ideal for the Ashington Express work and the X10 / X11 from Blyth but, as Arriva like it, they put fuel economy before reliability and punctuality. If they cared about them two, they would've ordered B9TLs or N230s when they were on the market rather than E400s and DB300s

How do you know the StreetDeck wouldn't work up here? It's not all about powerful engines. Have you been on a StreetDeck to see what it's like?


RE: Arriva 2015 Order - Malarkey - 14/01/2015

(14/01/2015, 21:28)ArrivaNE_7522 Wrote: How do you know the StreetDeck wouldn't work up here? It's not all about powerful engines. Have you been on a StreetDeck to see what it's like?
I have when GNE had one on Demonstration on the Toonlink, did a Round Trip on the 31/32 and I thought it coped quite well with the route e.g. Climbing the Hills around Winlaton etc, but on the flip side I would have to agree with Davey in saying that a Vehicle with more Power and Bigger Fuel Tank would be better suited.