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RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 13 Oct 2015
(13 Oct 2015, 8:37 pm)S813 FVK But going through Hobson also creates faster journey times as its literally a straight road from Pickering Nook to Crookgate missing out Burnopfield. Perfect for the 6 or something like that. Burnopfield already has 3 buses to Newcastle (6, X70 and X71) and 2 buses to Metrocentre (6 and V7). A bit over-bussed in my opinion.
There is a fine balance between providing a fast journey time and actually picking passengers up..!
If very few passengers get on/off at Hobson, it's pointless running a service through there, when running a service nearby could benefit other passengers instead, where there is greater demand.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Michael - 13 Oct 2015
Wonder where the next set of changes will be?
North Tyneside?
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - NK53 TKT - 14 Oct 2015
(13 Oct 2015, 9:39 pm)Michael Wonder where the next set of changes will be?
North Tyneside?
Hope not
Maybe having said that they buy some solo sr's for the North Tyne Links, or if luck is against us streetdecks for the 309/310 and some eclipses like 9108 for the 19
Got it covered
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - S813 FVK - 14 Oct 2015
(13 Oct 2015, 8:40 pm)Dan There is a fine balance between providing a fast journey time and actually picking passengers up..!
If very few passengers get on/off at Hobson, it's pointless running a service through there, when running a service nearby could benefit other passengers instead, where there is greater demand.
What is running non-stop between Metrocentre and Newcastle on Monday-Saturday daytimes going to do then?
I may have missed a crucial part, but i am going to take a strong guess that it is to increase journey times (and there are already dozens of buses going between Metrocentre and Newcastle).
If that is the reason then the scenario is not much different to the Burnopfield/Hobson one. Runnng a bus to the Metrocentre through Hobson to provide quicker journey times because Burnopfield already has 2 buses to Newcastle and 1 to Metrocentre (which they have to cope with now - seem to manage fine to me). People not getting on the bus means that the bus will run straight through making the journey even faster than it would be if it was to stop. If going through a place without picking anybody up didn't have any benefits, then I could accept why the bus is being withdrawn from there.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - MrFozz - 14 Oct 2015
(08 Oct 2015, 2:52 pm)DanPicken I know it will be the Silver Surfer next...
(08 Oct 2015, 2:53 pm)NK53 TKT For what?
The 61?
For the love of f**k...divvent talk so much shite...Silver Surfer for 61...Hell no
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 14 Oct 2015
(14 Oct 2015, 6:16 am)opNK53 TKT Hope not
Maybe having said that they buy some solo sr's for the North Tyne Links, or if luck is against us streetdecks for the 309/310 and some eclipses like 9108 for the 19
Got it covered
Hope they increase the evening 309 / 310s. They could easily make money if they timed it right and not 5 minutes after an Arriva.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - NK53 TKT - 14 Oct 2015
(14 Oct 2015, 9:42 am)DaveyBowyer Hope they increase the evening 309 / 310s. They could easily make money if they timed it right and not 5 minutes after an Arriva.
Agree about that
(14 Oct 2015, 6:42 am)MrFozz For the love of f**k...divvent talk so much shite...Silver Surfer for 61...Hell no
I hope it does not happen
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 14 Oct 2015
(14 Oct 2015, 9:42 am)DaveyBowyer Hope they increase the evening 309 / 310s. They could easily make money if they timed it right and not 5 minutes after an Arriva.
It would work well like this:
- 310 Monday to Saturday evenings: arriving at Haymarket for 03 / 33 and leaving at 06 / 36 until 2306.
- 310 Sunday evenings: arriving at Haymarket for 03 / 33 and leaving at 06 / 36 until 22:06 with a later journey arriving at 2303 and departing at 2306 which would be the last Cobalt Clipper all together.
- 309 Monday to Saturday evenings: Arriving at Haymarket for 18 / 48 and departing at 21 / 51 until 22:51 with a later journey arriving at 23:33
and departing at 23:36 which would be the last Cobalt Clipper journey all together. Last full journey to Blyth at 21:51 or 22:21.
- 309 Sunday evenings: Arriving at Haymarket for 18 / 48 and departing at 21 / 51 until 21:51 with a later journey arriving at 22:33 and departing at 22:36. Last full journey to Blyth either at 20:21 or 20:51.
That is the only reason why they couldn't make money now is because of the 308 departing 5 minutes before the 309 / 310 and therefore, GNE are losing out on the Station Road / Newcastle corridoor. These times would make sure that the 309 / 310 arrive 2 minutes ahead of the 306 / 308 and depart 4 minutes before both services. I know alot of people use passes and stuff and some are loyal to Arriva over the slightly cheaper single fares but as a whole, GNE could make a good go of it if they tried whilst still being compliant with most Cobalt shift patterns.
Some might see it as a suggestion but it's simple business sense, keep in front of the competition. And unless Arriva would be willing to send another 308, Quroum or X10 / X11 towards Newcastle during the early evening (gap between 1817 and 1822 departures on Monday to Fridays and the latter on Saturdays) to conquer these times by moving their departures nearer quarterly and hourly / half hourly intervals, then theres nout much that they could do.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - L469 YVK - 14 Oct 2015
And if Arriva added an 18:32 departure from Newcastle so that the 308 could depart at 17 / 47 and the 306 after 1839, depart at 02 / 32, GNE would just need to move their times to:
309 Inbound = 10/40
309 Outbound = 13/43
310 Inbound = 25 / 55
310 Outbound = 28 / 58
And they would still be compliant with the Cobalt shift patterns too.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - idiot - 15 Oct 2015
(13 Oct 2015, 9:39 pm)Michael Wonder where the next set of changes will be?
North Tyneside?
Clearly North Sunderland
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Andreos1 - 15 Oct 2015
(15 Oct 2015, 7:12 am)idiot Clearly North Sunderland
Great minds
I resisted the urge to comment and say the very same thing, when Michael posted his question.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - grandad - 15 Oct 2015
(13 Oct 2015, 8:40 pm)Dan There is a fine balance between providing a fast journey time and actually picking passengers up..!
If very few passengers get on/off at Hobson, it's pointless running a service through there, when running a service nearby could benefit other passengers instead, where there is greater demand.
This suggests that GNE exists purely to make money with no regard for public service. To chop the service between Pickering Nook and Crookgate Bank Top will cause considerable inconvenience to a relatively small group of passengers. An hourly 6A via Hobson would not detract from the service provided to Burnopfield village. The same number of passengers would travel with very little inconvenience.
Similarly, GNE refuses to consider diverting service 46 from Shotley Bridge via Daisy Hill, Medomsley Village rejoining the main Red Kite route at Hamsterley Mill. Granted, it would reduce the service through Low Westwood to half-hourly but the same number of passengers would travel and the diverted service could pick up a small number of extra passengers. Requires no alteration to the overall timetable.
I could also go on about the lack of any service between Stanley and Consett after about 20:30 ........
All this does is strengthen the case for Quality Contracts.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Greg in Weardale - 15 Oct 2015
Unfortunately Grandad is right and the GNE cuts over the last few years have strengthened the case for Quality Contracts, but I think the new Government plans for devolution may change the plans, with Co. Durham and Northumberland included as they are part of the North East Combined Authority. As I've already said, I think the worst part of the October 25th changes is the lack of through buses to Lanchester, except for the unadvertised peak workings.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - nk55 - 15 Oct 2015
I can see this lack of connection being gregs " bee in bonnet " thing!!, although i really doubt we'll see a situation of gradual withdrawl between lanchester and stanley.
I do agree that by dropping the service to hobson and greencroft ind est is a strange decision and hopefully with enough complaints the link could be reversed i.e the V8 could serve the hobson instead of burnhope.
On the point of a lack of service between consett and stanley, the 78A operates at 2040, 2140 & 2240.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Greg in Weardale - 15 Oct 2015
Bees have been notably absent from here in Weardale this year due to climate change.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Greg in Weardale - 15 Oct 2015
And I'm not into drag, so I don't go for wearing bonnets.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - LeeCalder - 15 Oct 2015
(15 Oct 2015, 11:19 am)grandad This suggests that GNE exists purely to make money with no regard for public service. To chop the service between Pickering Nook and Crookgate Bank Top will cause considerable inconvenience to a relatively small group of passengers. An hourly 6A via Hobson would not detract from the service provided to Burnopfield village. The same number of passengers would travel with very little inconvenience.
Similarly, GNE refuses to consider diverting service 46 from Shotley Bridge via Daisy Hill, Medomsley Village rejoining the main Red Kite route at Hamsterley Mill. Granted, it would reduce the service through Low Westwood to half-hourly but the same number of passengers would travel and the diverted service could pick up a small number of extra passengers. Requires no alteration to the overall timetable.
I could also go on about the lack of any service between Stanley and Consett after about 20:30 ........
All this does is strengthen the case for Quality Contracts.
Superb point.
I also made a point of this this morning on Facebook;
"After reading into the Go North East service changes in detail...
I can safely say that they are for profit only. It might sound stupid because that's what they are supposed to do, make money, however, some of the changes are clearly just for profit and they haven't thought about the customer at all.
Finally, it is very obvious that they haven't used any of the survey responses when making the service changes"
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - DanPicken - 15 Oct 2015
(15 Oct 2015, 3:27 pm)LeeCalder Superb point.
I also made a point of this this morning on Facebook;
"After reading into the Go North East service changes in detail...
I can safely say that they are for profit only. It might sound stupid because that's what they are supposed to do, make money, however, some of the changes are clearly just for profit and they haven't thought about the customer at all.
Finally, it is very obvious that they haven't used any of the survey responses when making the service changes"
They never do.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - S813 FVK - 15 Oct 2015
Services 15/15A will be diverted between Lanchester and Leadgate for 7 days because the A691 will be closed for resurfacing work from 22/10/15.
RE: Go North East: Upcoming Service Changes - Dan - 15 Oct 2015
(15 Oct 2015, 3:29 pm)DanPicken They never do.
What sort of evidence do you have to back up this silly assumption?
Why some bus enthusiasts assume a bus operator would change a set of services to go against their customer feedback is beyond me, as these people could then look for an alternative means of travel which would result in less profit for the company...