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RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Tom - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 11:41 am)Dan Confirmation of proposed changes are as follows: I really like those changes! Thanks for the info Dan RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Tom - 26 Nov 2014 What are the new short X35 services to South Hetton btw? GNE Bus Changes. - cbma06 - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 4:12 pm)Tom What are the new short X35 services to South Hetton btw? I was wondering that, maybe the short X35 is to replace the present 35C journeys between Sunderland and south Hetton terminus. As noted that anyone from silksworth to hospital will have to get the 2 or 2A via the world. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - L469 YVK - 26 Nov 2014 I think that if the Clipper is to get another spare, 6084 for TTX and 6100 for TEN will transfer to Gateshead and Hexham and Percy Main will either get 3963 or 3942 as a last resort spare for the Cobalt Clipper. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Dan - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 11:44 am)Michael Sorry but don't agree with the 56 change, means straight away, at least 2 branded buses will be dropped, whats the point in buying them? I think the PVR will only decrease by one vehicle - this vehicle will probably replace one of the oldest members of the fleet (a Volvo B10BLE or an Olympian). (26 Nov 2014, 11:55 am)BJ10VUS I suppose one of the Gemini 2s could be used as a spare on the 309/310, however unlikely? Would make a certain someone very happy! I think you've hit the nail on the head... If the PVR drops by one vehicle, this would allow one of the red Volvo B9s (presumably 6100) to transfer to another depot. Percy Main has struggled to cover a PVR of 16 with just one red spare, so perhaps could benefit from another. Even when the PVR of both routes was 15, I think Deptford coped a lot better with just allocating Volvo B9s than Percy Main, who have allocated far more vehicles which aren't Volvo B9s. I'd imagine that this would allow for a Volvo B10 in the fleet to be replaced. Perhaps one of Percy Main's Volvo B10s would be released to Chester-le-Street, allowing a Lime example to be binned? The alternative would be one of Percy Main's red double deckers transferring to Stanley to allow another Olympian to be binned. (26 Nov 2014, 11:55 am)park5354 Reducing frequency, but keeping same pvr. This means slightly more running time and recovery time at each end, resulting in less mileage lost, hence increased reliability. I do think that this will differ slightly from the 27. If it could be possible to remove two vehicles from the PVR by having a 12 minute frequency, then I'd imagine GNE would only remove one and do something similar to what you've suggested above. (26 Nov 2014, 4:05 pm)Tom I really like those changes! Most welcome. Glad to have cleared a few things up. It does seem to suggest that there will be no changes to service 238, to answer Drifter60's question from the other day. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Michael - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 5:00 pm)Dan I think the PVR will only decrease by one vehicle - this vehicle will probably replace one of the oldest members of the fleet (a Volvo B10BLE or an Olympian). Do u think these changes will have an impact on what GNE orders this year? Do u think the 20/20A could be part of this years investment? RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Tom - 26 Nov 2014 Does anyone have any info on the 38 - will the 38 be running every 20 mins/30 mins or will it be confusing as present, also what will the short X35's be? RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Dan - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 5:03 pm)Michael Do u think these changes will have an impact on what GNE orders this year? No, I don't think it will alter what Go North East orders as part of this financial year. Providing the changes work for the best, I'd imagine that services 20/20A will see investment into double decked vehicles within the next financial year. I'm guessing that residents of Sunderland prefer cross-city style services, allowing them to get from A to B (via the world) on one bus opposed to using two and getting there faster. Perhaps this is because of Stagecoach's dominance in the city, who set up services in this style. The main objective of these changes has been to provide more cross-city style services, based on suggestions from customers in the past. I think service 29 can be treated as the 'guinea-pig'; despite suggestions otherwise on this forum prior to the changes, service 29 is pretty reliable and has been popular with passengers. I don't think suggestions from customers prior to this consultation will be good enough evidence to serve as justification that the changes will provide more commercially successful services than at present though, so they'll be on a trial period of 6 months and will be reviewed after this period. Go-Ahead's financial year starts in the sixth month of the calendar year, so this 'trial period' (as I suggest) will conveniently fit in well with the start of the new financial year, when Go North East will start to conjure up plans for which vehicles it intends to order that year. (26 Nov 2014, 5:20 pm)Tom Does anyone have any info on the 38 - will the 38 be running every 20 mins/30 mins or will it be confusing as present, also what will the short X35's be? I think the timetable will stay the same as present - two 38s per hour and one 238. After serving Hollycarrside; I think one 38 is planned to follow the same route as present, and the other is planned to go to Houghton-le-Spring (or nPower?) via a similar route to the present 35A and also serving Grasswell (appears to be somewhere in Newbottle) following suggestions prior to the consultation from customers. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Andreos1 - 26 Nov 2014 Spooky - we were just discussing the 141 the other week and the extension of the 38, replicates the main part of the route. Nice to see the link between mining communities of yesteryear resorted. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Michael - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 5:20 pm)Dan No, I don't think it will alter what Go North East orders as part of this financial year. Few repaints coming up if changes go ahead! Like i said before, i can see most services keeping the same buses as of now, only think the 38 will use Versa, as at least 5 could be spare. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Tom - 26 Nov 2014 I would like to see the 60 extended to Seaburn, but reduced to every 12 minutes. Using a couple of extra Streetlites bought. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - nk55 - 26 Nov 2014 Wonder if all the 35/35a boards will be run by deptford?, or will chester get 2 boards, the 71 wont last if the 35 change doesn't come off. Also i wouldn't be surprised if the 35 would follow the 4 route and miss out avanue vivian, and what may come of the dafs cls have? RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Michael - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 7:40 pm)nk55 Wonder if all the 35/35a boards will be run by deptford?, or will chester get 2 boards, the 71 wont last if the 35 change doesn't come off. Also i wouldn't be surprised if the 35 would follow the 4 route and miss out avanue vivian, and what may come of the dafs cls have? Good point, i didn't think of that, sounds a good idea for the first runs from Chester RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Adrian - 26 Nov 2014 I'm not convinced about the 20/20A changes, but that's solely on what I perceive the reliability will be like. There's far too much to that route for problems to occur. The 42 being binned in order to extend the 2A/2C makes sense, but I'd have perhaps liked to see it extended a short distance to the Doxford Enterprise Park. Does anyone know what the PVR increase to Silksworth would be? RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Michael - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 7:54 pm)aureolin I'm not convinced about the 20/20A changes, but that's solely on what I perceive the reliability will be like. There's far too much to that route for problems to occur. I did a list earlier for PVR's... or more like what i think they'll be, if changes happen: http://northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?tid=1030&page=37 I agree with all the changes, for once, the 35/36 one's sound the best. I think the 20/20A change will work... if it has a better timetable, longer to do runs etc RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Adrian - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 7:55 pm)Michael I did a list earlier for PVR's... or more like what i think they'll be, if changes happen: Cheers Michael. I'd hope that 4 Mercs are sourced. Re: 20/20A. I'm hoping that it will have a decent amount of layover time at each end, and perhaps somewhere in the middle. They done something similar a few years ago with the 50, where it had a good 5-10 mins layover. On a side note, maybe a re-brand could be on the cards for the Prince Bishops? Hardly seems worth calling it after Durham, when the majority of the route is going to be in Tyne and Wear. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Michael - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 8:00 pm)aureolin Cheers Michael. I'd hope that 4 Mercs are sourced. No prob's! =) It's not accurate but i think it's right. Me too, although a few people might be upset about the 35/35A not going to Shields, look at the link's the 35/35A will open though. I hope not, Prince Bishops is one of my favorite brands. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Dan - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 8:07 pm)Michael I hope not, Prince Bishops is one of my favorite brands. I wouldn't imagine that the Prince Bishops livery would change: if the changes are being made with investment in mind for the near future, then a complete livery re-design wouldn't be rational. RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Tom - 26 Nov 2014 Done a possible timetable for the 20: 20 – Durham-South Shields Durham Bus Station: 00 10 20 30 40 50 Belmont: 11 21 31 41 51 Houghton-le-Spring: 35 45 55 05 15 25 East Herrington: 44 54 04 14 24 34 Sunderland Interchange arr: 57 07 17 27 37 47 Sunderland Interchange dep: 00 10 20 30 40 50 Fullwell The Grange: 12 22 32 42 52 Cleadon Pond: 17 27 37 47 57 07 Harton Nook: 21 31 41 51 01 11 Westoe: 26 36 46 56 06 16 South Shields, Market: 31 41 51 01 11 21 South Shields, Market: 00 10 20 30 40 50 Westoe: 06 16 26 36 46 56 Harton Nook: 11 21 31 41 51 01 Cleadon Pond: 16 26 36 46 56 06 Fullwell Grange: 21 31 41 51 01 11 Sunderland Interchange arr: 32 42 52 02 12 22 Sunderland Interchange dep: 35 45 55 05 15 25 East Herrington: 48 58 08 18 28 38 Houghton-le-Spring: 58 08 18 28 38 48 Belmont: 21 31 41 51 01 11 Durham Bus Station: 32 42 52 02 12 RE: GNE Bus Changes. - Michael - 26 Nov 2014 (26 Nov 2014, 8:11 pm)Dan I wouldn't imagine that the Prince Bishops livery would change: if the changes are being made with investment in mind for the near future, then a complete livery re-design wouldn't be rational. Sorry i meant, near future if the Prince Bishops gets new buses in 2015. |