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RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Adrian - 13 Jan 2016

My understanding is that the 20 day thing is if you're registering or stepping in for a service, in what would be defined an emergency registration. It's not there for if you can't be bothered to get your house in order.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 13 Jan 2016

(13 Jan 2016, 8:56 am)Adrian My understanding is that the 20 day thing is if you're registering or stepping in for a service, in what would be defined an emergency registration. It's not there for if you can't be bothered to get your house in order.

That's all that I could find, too. It only concerns destination displays, rather than non-DDA buses in general:

"If the vehicle is providing a temporary service (e.g. rail replacement) or is an emergency replacement vehicle on the route in question it may not be possible to display the route and destination in all the usual places. In such cases a temporary sign must be displayed and must show the correct route number (if any) and the correct destination displayed on the front or nearside of the vehicle as close as practicable to the front entrance. The route and destination need not be illuminated at night. These relaxations apply only for the first 21 days of operation of such services."

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/3260/sstopublicservicevehicle5990.pdf

The PSVAR guidance states "the Regulations apply to all buses and coaches operating to a published timetable." Nightingale Coaches are currently running a temporary service (28C) whilst Go North East's 28 service is diverted. The published timetable is available here; however, I note that the vehicle is operating with no destinations at present (but does have some vinyls with the route number at the front and back of the bus). I wonder if Nightingale Coaches realise that they have just over a week to arrange for destination displays to be fitted on what is potentially a leased/hired vehicle?

Source: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/178430/response/453073/attach/3/PSVAR%20Guidance.pdf


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - GuyParkRoyal - 14 Jan 2016

(13 Jan 2016, 9:09 am)Dan That's all that I could find, too. It only concerns destination displays, rather than non-DDA buses in general:

"If the vehicle is providing a temporary service (e.g. rail replacement) or is an emergency replacement vehicle on the route in question it may not be possible to display the route and destination in all the usual places. In such cases a temporary sign must be displayed and must show the correct route number (if any) and the correct destination displayed on the front or nearside of the vehicle as close as practicable to the front entrance. The route and destination need not be illuminated at night. These relaxations apply only for the first 21 days of operation of such services."

Source: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/3260/sstopublicservicevehicle5990.pdf

The PSVAR guidance states "the Regulations apply to all buses and coaches operating to a published timetable." Nightingale Coaches are currently running a temporary service (28C) whilst Go North East's 28 service is diverted. The published timetable is available here; however, I note that the vehicle is operating with no destinations at present (but does have some vinyls with the route number at the front and back of the bus). I wonder if Nightingale Coaches realise that they have just over a week to arrange for destination displays to be fitted on what is potentially a leased/hired vehicle?

Source: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/178430/response/453073/attach/3/PSVAR%20Guidance.pdf

The Nightingale Coaches 28C should be exempt from PSVAR as the act applies to local and scheduled bus services. On a local or scheduled service each passenger must pay a fare (referred to in legislation as a separate fare).
The 28C is a free of charge service so it does not qualify as local or scheduled and despite having a timetable it does not even need to be registered with VOSA.
Temporary rail and metro replacements where a fare is required need to be registered so they will fall under the PSVAR requirements.
While free services may technically fall outside the legislation I would expect most operators will still want to comply on a voluntary basis.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 23 Jan 2016

Seems to be quite a few issues from Arriva down south...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/mkrbus/23894156064/ - Front/side display inop.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mkrbus/24149633710/ - Fitted with a roller side blind, which is inop.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mkrbus/24445246835 - No side display fitted
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mkrbus/24310344332/ - No side display fitted


PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 23 Jan 2016

Well Hunters have MPD W363 ABD out on the 713 today - still with that fixed destination display.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - BusLoverMum - 30 Jan 2016

Side destination display on 641 flashing on and off.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 30 Jan 2016

(30 Jan 2016, 10:25 am)BusLoverMum Side destination display on 641 flashing on and off.

Thanks - I have reported this to engineering.

Bus may have been jump started this morning. This tends to cause most side destination problems on the Optare Solos.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - S813 FVK - 30 Jan 2016

548s rear destination: https://www.flickr.com/photos/27204054@N07/24081045833/in/photostream/

This is similar (if not the same) as 3886 is havig with its rear flipdot.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Andreos1 - 31 Jan 2016

8271 has issues with its rear blind.
I was following it earlier and the destination seems to be a bit iffy.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 31 Jan 2016

(31 Jan 2016, 12:51 pm)Andreos1 8271 has issues with its rear blind.
I was following it earlier and the destination seems to be a bit iffy.

I've been at Washington Depot twice this week on morning run-out, and noted the problem with both 8270 and 8271.

Observing from afar; it looked like the destination glass needed to be cleaned, rather than an issue with the destination display itself.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - steam - 31 Jan 2016

We operate a local service that carries schoolchildren (fare payers and education passes) as well as general public
My question is
If I stop claiming BSOG, stop carrying general public and  carry schoolchildren only could I use a non DDA bus on this route
Also would I have to send a 56day variation to notify commissioner I would no longer carry public


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - tyresmoke - 31 Jan 2016

(31 Jan 2016, 2:43 pm)steam We operate a local service that carries schoolchildren (fare payers and education passes) as well as general public
My question is
If I stop claiming BSOG, stop carrying general public and  carry schoolchildren only could I use a non DDA bus on this route
Also would I have to send a 56day variation to notify commissioner I would no longer carry public

My understanding is that if you make it a closed contract (ie none fare paying) then you can use a non DDA vehicle.
This would then mean you could only take pre-paid (off-bus) and passes though.
Yes the bus service registration would have to be cancelled I think?


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Adrian - 31 Jan 2016

(31 Jan 2016, 3:39 pm)tyresmoke My understanding is that if you make it a closed contract (ie none fare paying) then you can use a non DDA vehicle.
This would then mean you could only take pre-paid (off-bus) and passes though.
Yes the bus service registration would have to be cancelled I think?

My understanding of it is that it can't be a registered bus service. So you couldn't take fares for it, whether that be one way or another. If you're accepting education passes, then I guess you'd be doing it via a contract, so you're still being paid fares for operating that service.

I think it'd have to be a coach service or you'd have to run it for free.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - steam - 31 Jan 2016

(31 Jan 2016, 3:39 pm)tyresmoke My understanding is that if you make it a closed contract (ie none fare paying) then you can use a non DDA vehicle.
This would then mean you could only take pre-paid (off-bus) and passes though.
Yes the bus service registration would have to be cancelled I think?
 
To clarify. it is a commercial service at present.the kids would pay a daily fare, the council purchase some passes off me


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - citaro5284 - 02 Feb 2016

(02 Jan 2016, 11:46 am)citaro5284 First ANE bus I see in 2016.......MPD 1800 and no working rear destination.

(03 Jan 2016, 11:03 am)GX03 SVC Thanks, will pass that onto the person I know once I see him again.

Just seen this bus again this morning and it is still not working.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - omnicity4659 - 02 Feb 2016

(02 Feb 2016, 12:35 pm)citaro5284 Just seen this bus again this morning and it is still not working.

Its been reported but there aren't any guidelines saying that the rear blind should be illuminated? I'll chase that up.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - Dan - 02 Feb 2016

(02 Feb 2016, 1:20 pm)GX03 SVC Its been reported but there aren't any guidelines saying that the rear blind should be illuminated? I'll chase that up.

Yes there is.

(2) A regulated public service vehicle shall be fitted with a route number display on the rear of the vehicle 

(3) Any route number display shall be capable of displaying 
© characters that are provided with a means of illumination

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/178430/response/453073/attach/3/PSVAR%20Guidance.pdf


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - omnicity4659 - 02 Feb 2016

(02 Feb 2016, 1:30 pm)Dan Yes there is.

(2) A regulated public service vehicle shall be fitted with a route number display on the rear of the vehicle 

(3) Any route number display shall be capable of displaying 
© characters that are provided with a means of illumination

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/178430/response/453073/attach/3/PSVAR%20Guidance.pdf

Thanks for clarifying. I'll pass it on.


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - James101 - 02 Feb 2016

(04 Jan 2015, 6:06 pm)tyresmoke The wording is "commercial advertising should not detract" from the clarity of the destinations and that "Other major points on the route can be included but they should not detract from the clarity of the ultimate destination"  Wink

With this definition in mind, I'm hoping someone with knowledge on the area can clarify where this comes in under the new legislation: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/76257710@N03/24355967740

This is the standard layout of First Potteries' destinations. I have many gripes about the company and this could be one. To the casual user it takes a moment to decipher what the four words mean. They're all given equal footing and it's not entirely obvious 'Hanley' is the final destination. It must be a nightmare for the partially sighted. Is this compliant?


RE: PSV Accessibility Regulations (DDA Regulations) - at a glance - DanPicken - 02 Feb 2016

The number on the rear of 4935 is on the wrong side.