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RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Unber43 - 06 Jul 2023 (06 Jul 2023, 11:42 am)Iamtheone8483748 Are they not? No, the 51/52 interwork, the 93/94 currently do aswell. So if you wanted to go from say Gateshead Stadium to Bensham, you have to go all the way around on the 93 or pay twice and get the 94, get off at Gateshead and wait for the next 94. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ian foster - 06 Jul 2023 (06 Jul 2023, 10:57 am)Storx There's way too much transport between Blyth / Whitley Bay and Newcastle via Seaton Sluice.308 is still popular because at least it is a direct route unlike the tedious 309 and 306. certainly Marden, Preston Grange, New York the Metro is of little or no use. It needs an express bus along the Coast Rd. to tempt people out of their cars like the 44 used to. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Storx - 06 Jul 2023 (06 Jul 2023, 11:56 am)Drifter60 There’s a few examples like the 1, whereby really the cross city link is often just the best way to operate it. Things like the 20 and 2/2A are two separate services just merged together, that’s not say cross city links aren’t used though. But I’m the 2/2A case if you wanted to go Silksworth to Royal Hospital you’d probably save time using the 33 or Stagecoach. And clearly the 20 is operational reasons as otherwise Durham and Langley Park is miles from the nearest GNE depot. Aye totally, there's still quite a few who cross across though like the B - C for the 50 would arguably be Washington to CLS. Can't think of any routes where they'd be busy like South Shields - Washington then CLS to Durham but no-one at all does CLS to Washington. Be an odd route. (06 Jul 2023, 1:03 pm)ian foster 308 is still popular because at least it is a direct route unlike the tedious 309 and 306. certainly Marden, Preston Grange, New York the Metro is of little or no use. It needs an express bus along the Coast Rd. to tempt people out of their cars like the 44 used to. I know what you say but any express route should go via Cobalt imo for the opposite flow. It's absolutely ridiculous that the biggest business park is connected via a bus that goes around High Farm and Battle Hill, it's just unattractive. Miss out Cobalt and you'll have empty buses against the peak. Any express needs to serve Cobalt, if you really wanted to serve Marden then something like the below would be the best with a Blyth to North Shields coast bus going wherever after as there's probably no need for more than 2 buses beyond Whitley via the Coast Road, especially with the X7 aswell up there and opens more links especially along the Coast for leisure users with a new North Shields - Fish Quay - Tynemouth - Longsands - Cullercoats - Whitley Bay - Lighthouse - Seaton Sluice - Blyth Beach bus which are all disconnected atm. With the other buses all serving Battle Hill etc to cover the remaining 308, 310 and 311. It's the best compromise for people in both directions. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 06 Aug 2023 New Express Versions of GNE Services. 4X: Would be limited stop (Heworth - Shiney Row) then all stops to Houghton-Le-Spring. 10X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Prudhoe) then all stops to Hexham. 16X: Would be limited stop on full route. 27X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Jarrow), then all stops to South Shields. 39X: Same as normal 39, then Non Stop from Doxford Int to Washington. 49X: Would be limited stop (Gateshead - Blaydon), then all stops to Winlaton. 50X: Would be Fast Boldon - Washington (via A19/A1231), Ayton - CLS (via A1) and would skip Waldridge Park & Arnison Centre. 57X: Would be limited stop (Newcastle - Beacon Lough), then all stops to Wardley or maybe skip Fewster Square. 60X Would be limited stop (Sunderland - Seaham), then all stops to Parkside. 65X: Would be limited stop (Durham - Hetton), then all stops to Seaham. 78X: Would be limited stop on full route. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Unber43 - 06 Aug 2023 (06 Aug 2023, 4:27 pm)ASX_Terranova New Express Versions of GNE Services.The only ones which would make money are 4X/10X/ possibly 27X/ 50X/ 78X the 16x would bleed money same with the 39, 57, 65, 60 (which is basically the X6) RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 06 Aug 2023 (06 Aug 2023, 6:48 pm)Unber43 The only ones which would make money are Out of curiosity what would a 51X/52X look like and also a 93X/94X. I was thinking also about a 61X given the decimation of this route. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 13 Aug 2023 I'm going to open this suggestion to the floor. I want to create a network of routes covering Most of Washington, Houghton, Hetton, Chester-Le-Street, East Gateshead, South Tyneside & Newcastle City Centre. There are several rules.
Good luck!!! RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Lollist - 14 Aug 2023 Didnt know where to put this but occacianly the X10 goes via marsh house avenue, Billingham instead of Wolviston Road (Its normal route) Usually on sunday mornings and Once on a weekday evening. Is it meant to? RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 17 Aug 2023 I was looking in the Bygone Era, but I can't find any examples of express buses on the 25 or 52 routes from Wrekenton to Gateshead. I was thinking half hourly from Newcastle to Eighton Banks running express from Newcastle to Wrekenton via Gateshead & Low Fell. From wrekenton, one bus a hour would replace the tb22/tb23 but additionally operate via donwell bus link. The other bus would operate to portmeads, portobello, the drive, ayton, lambton and the galleries running in the other half hour to the 82. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 27 Aug 2023 If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Theboyle92 - 27 Aug 2023 (27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead.Well it wouldn't go down well with some drivers of the 56 as during peak times a 57 being in front of you can help with loadings up towards sheriff hill and the Q.E especially on match days or if there's an event on in Newcastle the X1 is already an Express between Gateshead and Q.E why do we need another one? Sent from my Pixel 7a using Tapatalk RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 27 Aug 2023 (27 Aug 2023, 9:06 pm)Theboyle92 Well it wouldn't go down well with some drivers of the 56 as during peak times a 57 being in front of you can help with loadings up towards sheriff hill and the Q.E especially on match days or if there's an event on in Newcastle the X1 is already an Express between Gateshead and Q.E why do we need another one? Its not about Gateshead-Q.E its about faster journeys for people living in Beacon Lough, Felling Square & Leam Lane. This would also include journeys that would be non-stop from Gateshead to Felling Square. The attachments are ironically from a GNE competitor point of view but I think their a good enough example. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Storx - 27 Aug 2023 (27 Aug 2023, 8:57 pm)ASX_Terranova If gne proposed that the 58 was omitting Fewster Square and the 57 was to become an express from Gateshead to the Q.E but re-doubled back to every 15 minutes, how would that go down in east gateshead. Not going to lie I'd do the opposite around there, the 57 is clearly struggling hence the freqency reductions and run it as a Newcastle to Springwell Estate via Beacon Lough Estate service every 15 minutes interworking with the 56 to give a 7.5 minute service combined and take some load off it as it's struggling timewise aswell. Then change the 58 to additionally serve Wardley and the QE, every 10 minutes between Newcastle and Heworth, then every 20 minutes to Wardley. Something like the below: I'm aware the bit from Beacon Lough to the 58 would be unserved but it's mostly fields anyway, I suppose you could split it as a 58/58A doing both roads otherwise every 20 minutes. Alternatively if you wanted to save £££, you could scrap the 57 in it's entirity and split the 58 into a 58/58A, something like the below every 10 minutes. Every 20 minutes each route: RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Theboyle92 - 27 Aug 2023 (27 Aug 2023, 10:58 pm)ASX_Terranova Its not about Gateshead-Q.E its about faster journeys for people living in Beacon Lough, Felling Square & Leam Lane. This would also include journeys that would be non-stop from Gateshead to Felling Square.I agree with you on that front but what about the people who have been sat on the 56 since hylton castle or sulgrave they too need a faster service into Gateshead and Newcastle, and with the unreliability of the 57 at the moment thats not happening as it will constantly be stopping at every stop from beacon lough into Gateshead to pick up pax who have been waiting for a 57 that is more than likey 15-20 late or cancelled, the entire Gateshead corridors need to be looked at very closely and passenger loading also need to be looked at with what can miss out what estate etc to save time, for me i would have the 56 run limited stop from Wrekenton and increase the 57 to every 15 min in a loop , and personally i would have it after serving Heworth towards Newcastle have it run along either sunderland Rd or Split Crow Rd improving times from Wardley into Gateshead and have the 57A run the opposite direction towards Beacon Lough/Q.E guaranteeing a bus heading towards Gateshead/Newcastle every 7/8 minutes in some areas. Sent from my Pixel 7a using Tapatalk RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Storx - 28 Aug 2023 (27 Aug 2023, 11:40 pm)Theboyle92 I agree with you on that front but what about the people who have been sat on the 56 since hylton castle or sulgrave they too need a faster service into Gateshead and Newcastle, and with the unreliability of the 57 at the moment thats not happening as it will constantly be stopping at every stop from beacon lough into Gateshead to pick up pax who have been waiting for a 57 that is more than likey 15-20 late or cancelled, the entire Gateshead corridors need to be looked at very closely and passenger loading also need to be looked at with what can miss out what estate etc to save time, for me i would have the 56 run limited stop from Wrekenton and increase the 57 to every 15 min in a loop , and personally i would have it after serving Heworth towards Newcastle have it run along either sunderland Rd or Split Crow Rd improving times from Wardley into Gateshead and have the 57A run the opposite direction towards Beacon Lough/Q.E guaranteeing a bus heading towards Gateshead/Newcastle every 7/8 minutes in some areas. Not sure Wardley need a quicker service, if they're going to Newcastle they're likely using the Metro at Pelaw already. It's likely the reason it's down to 2 BPH in the first place. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 28 Aug 2023 (28 Aug 2023, 7:27 am)Storx Not sure Wardley need a quicker service, if they're going to Newcastle they're likely using the Metro at Pelaw already. It's likely the reason it's down to 2 BPH in the first place. The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth. Also, to answer an earlier comment, would it be worth it to introduce short 56's as far as Wrekenton or Springwell Estate. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - ASX_Terranova - 28 Aug 2023 (28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Storx - 28 Aug 2023 (28 Aug 2023, 10:12 am)ASX_Terranova The 57 would become busier because the 58 would not serve Fewster Square, running direct from Albion Street to Heworth. If you took the 58 out of there, then the 58 would be dead. The 57 is the problem route, it duplicates the 51/52, 56 and 58 for most of the route but doesn't interwork with it at all now. Personally I'd be more radical and rewrite the whole lot and have something like 90: Newcastle to Heworth | Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Low Fell - QE Hospital - Heworth (Every 20 Minutes) 91/92 (The Loop): Gateshead to Gatehead | Gateshead - Shipcote - Low Fell - Eighton Banks - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate - Forster Square - Felling - Heworth - Gateshead College - Gateshead (Every 20 Minutes) 56: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes) 57: Newcastle to Springwell Estate | Newcastle - Gateshead - QE Hospital - Beacon Lough Estate - Wrekenton - Springwell Estate (Every 15 Minutes) 58: No Changes (Every 15 Minutes) 59: Newcastle to Wardley | Newcastle - Gateshead - Dun Hill Road - QE Hospital - Felling - Heworth - Wardley (Every 20 Minutes) 51/52/93/94 - Withdrawn Combined Corridors: 1/90: Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Team Valley North 56/57: Every 7.5 Minutes, Newcastle to Beacon Lough Map: As far as I'm aware there's no lost links anywhere but would finally give Newcastle a link to Team Valley and increase the Bensham Road and Old Durham Road corridors which both could do with a frequency increase imo. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - deanmachine - 28 Aug 2023 Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening. RE: Go North East: Service Suggestions v2 - Unber43 - 28 Aug 2023 (28 Aug 2023, 1:56 pm)deanmachine Maybe the 56 should never have been dropped from a 12 to a 15 minute service and had its PVR reduced just to send some buses to Percy Main for a less busy service in the first place. When it was every 12 minutes it had a 10 minute sit in Park Lane for most of the day which helped a lot of delays. It was also still every 20 minutes later into an evening.So true. |