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RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - deanmachine - 09 Nov 2017
(09 Nov 2017, 2:41 pm)idiot 5463 is vibrating like a....
Of course if you driver went to neutral it would be more comfortable.
Is there any reason why bus drivers don't come out of drive into neutral?
You shouldn't select neutral in an automatic vehicle unless you're stationary for extended period of time, especially on a live road, you can't select a gear quickly like you can in a manual vehicle. Neutral or drive doesn't make a difference in rattle for Streetlites.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Venturego - 09 Nov 2017
(09 Nov 2017, 4:39 pm)deanmachine You shouldn't select neutral in an automatic vehicle unless you're stationary for extended period of time, especially on a live road, you can't select a gear quickly like you can in a manual vehicle. Neutral or drive doesn't make a difference in rattle for Streetlites.
While "Coasting" or driving in neutral may not be illegal, the Highway Code advises against it.
Rule 122
Coasting. This term describes a vehicle travelling in neutral or with the clutch pressed down. It can reduce driver control because
Engine braking is eliminated
Vehicle speed downhill will increase quickly
Increased use of the footbrake can reduce its effectiveness
Steering response will be affected, particularly on bends and corners
It may be more difficult to re-engage gear when needed.
- and if an accident occurs, I guess a driver can be accused of not being in full control of vehicle (Careless Driving)
answerbank.co.uk/Motoring/Question
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - idiot - 10 Nov 2017
(09 Nov 2017, 4:39 pm)deanmachine You shouldn't select neutral in an automatic vehicle unless you're stationary for extended period of time, especially on a live road, you can't select a gear quickly like you can in a manual vehicle. Neutral or drive doesn't make a difference in rattle for Streetlites.
Sorry as someone who has drove both manual and automatic it's easier in automatic. Hand brake on and move gear stuck. Or in case of buses press a button.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - missedbus - 10 Nov 2017
(09 Nov 2017, 2:41 pm)idiot 5463 is vibrating like a....
Of course if you driver went to neutral it would be more comfortable.
Is there any reason why bus drivers don't come out of drive into neutral?
Didn't Voith transmissions once have a facility called Neutral Bus Stop, where the transmission automatically selected neutral if the motion stopped and the handbrake was applied?
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - RBZ 5459 - 10 Nov 2017
(10 Nov 2017, 8:44 am)missedbus Didn't Voith transmissions once have a facility called Neutral Bus Stop, where the transmission automatically selected neutral if the motion stopped and the handbrake was applied?
Yeah still on modern buses, Neutral Bus Stop as its sometimes referred to. A feature to reduce fuel consumption. On a Voith it's engaged when you hear the notable and brief rev once the bus has stopped, with ZFs you often get the wining during idling. Back in first gear when the accelerator is pressed or the footbrake/handbrake both released.
Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Dan - 10 Nov 2017
5331 returned from refurbishment yesterday, 5323 sent to Blackburn in exchange.
5331 now arrived at Deptford.
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RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Michael - 10 Nov 2017
(10 Nov 2017, 5:27 pm)Dan 5331 returned from refurbishment yesterday, 5323 sent to Blackburn in exchange.
5331 now arrived at Deptford.
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Is 5337 VOR?, as that has yet to go.
Have 3886 and 3889 been withdrawn from Stanley yet?
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - S813 FVK - 10 Nov 2017
(10 Nov 2017, 7:20 pm)Michael Have 3886 and 3889 been withdrawn from Stanley yet?
Not yet. I was on both of them today - 3889 much better than 3886. 6032 seems to have vanished though - it may just be VOR but it has technically being replaced by 6135 (may be retained temporarily due to 5248's fire though?).
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Boggle - 10 Nov 2017
(10 Nov 2017, 7:36 pm)S813 FVK Not yet. I was on both of them today - 3889 much better than 3886. 6032 seems to have vanished though - it may just be VOR but it has technically being replaced by 6135 (may be retained temporarily due to 5248's fire though?).
6032 was on the X21 last night, so was still about then at least.
I had 6135 tonight and it has had its downstairs seats retrimmed but not upstairs.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - MrBoyt - 11 Nov 2017
(10 Nov 2017, 12:06 am)idiot Sorry as someone who has drove both manual and automatic it's easier in automatic. Hand brake on and move gear stuck. Or in case of buses press a button.
You've clearly never tried to put a Versa in Neutral. It nearly always involves a trip through Neutral and into Reverse due to the lever being so stiff. Putting it back into Drive again often involves a detour into '3', which can't be good.
Certainly wouldn't be a good idea to try all this at the John Reid Road bus gate.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Michael - 11 Nov 2017
Indigo Solo just passed Hastings Hill, heading towards Sunderland City Centre or Deptford.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Acky81 - 12 Nov 2017
Looks like all the destinations are changing. So far I’ve seen 2 12 27 and 39s done. I like how you can see it from distance but on the flip side it’s not great missing out the via points
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - S813 FVK - 12 Nov 2017
(12 Nov 2017, 10:33 am)Acky81 Looks like all the destinations are changing. So far I’ve seen 2 12 27 and 39s done. I like how you can see it from distance but on the flip side it’s not great missing out the via points
Not all of them are changing - as per the style on services including the X21, they have just been updated for evaluative purposes.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - ne14ne1 - 12 Nov 2017
(12 Nov 2017, 10:33 am)Acky81 Looks like all the destinations are changing. So far I’ve seen 2 12 27 and 39s done. I like how you can see it from distance but on the flip side it’s not great missing out the via points
I've noticed a few and it is much clearer and easier to read, but having the destination simply as 'Newcastle' or 'Gateshead' isn't that helpful, especially further along the routes for people then boarding at stops within Newcastle or Gateshead.
Okay for Gateshead or South Shields I suppose, GNE are presuming passengers will presume the final stop is the town centre, but in my opinion 'Newcastle' isn't quite informative enough.
Its okay if you already know the local bus numbers/routes, but imagine you are visiting Edinburgh or London - an approaching bus with the destination simply as 'Edinburgh', or 'London' wouldn't be of any use. (Granted it may be the case for non stop buses/coaches coming from outside of the areas?).
Anyway, my point is maybe a New York flip style destination would be more helpful, so for example on the Crusader the destination screen would either display 'Newcastle' for 2 seconds, then 'Market St W' for 2 seconds in a cycle, OR display 'Newcastle Market St' for 2 seconds, then 'via Gateshead Interchange' or 'Gateshead Town' for 2 seconds.
Thats just my tuppence worth for today.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Pulsar - 12 Nov 2017
6142 now at Stanley. Seen on 47 today.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - S813 FVK - 12 Nov 2017
6141 is at Stanley now too - currently parked up in Stanley Bus Station
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2017
(12 Nov 2017, 12:00 pm)ne14ne1 I've noticed a few and it is much clearer and easier to read, but having the destination simply as 'Newcastle' or 'Gateshead' isn't that helpful, especially further along the routes for people then boarding at stops within Newcastle or Gateshead.
Okay for Gateshead or South Shields I suppose, GNE are presuming passengers will presume the final stop is the town centre, but in my opinion 'Newcastle' isn't quite informative enough.
Its okay if you already know the local bus numbers/routes, but imagine you are visiting Edinburgh or London - an approaching bus with the destination simply as 'Edinburgh', or 'London' wouldn't be of any use. (Granted it may be the case for non stop buses/coaches coming from outside of the areas?).
Anyway, my point is maybe a New York flip style destination would be more helpful, so for example on the Crusader the destination screen would either display 'Newcastle' for 2 seconds, then 'Market St W' for 2 seconds in a cycle, OR display 'Newcastle Market St' for 2 seconds, then 'via Gateshead Interchange' or 'Gateshead Town' for 2 seconds.
Thats just my tuppence worth for today.
In total agreement.
Granted there's not likely to be many tourists who use the 2 (the example I drew on last week), but an irregular passenger boarding in Penshaw, could be quite concerned to see the bus taking quite a journey via Chester Road, Sunderland City Centre and various other areas of Sunderland. As opposed to the trip in the car that would take them through the Herringtons and take it mere minutes.
I was under the impression the blinds were in place to assist passengers. Not cause confusion.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - citaro5284 - 12 Nov 2017
All this talk about terminal points only. First York have used terminal points for years, as have Transdev. If you look on Coastliner for example they only show York, Leeds or Whitby as an example. If you have a look at Lothian, they have now moved to terminal points only since they have moved to Hanover Displays from Mobitec and as we all know, there is not many tourists in Edinburgh!
Lets roll back some years to 'roller blinds', and they use to show terminal points only, so it is nothing new.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - Andreos1 - 12 Nov 2017
(12 Nov 2017, 2:47 pm)citaro5284 All this talk about terminal points only. First York have used terminal points for years, as have Transdev. If you look on Coastliner for example they only show York, Leeds or Whitby as an example. If you have a look at Lothian, they have now moved to terminal points only since they have moved to Hanover Displays from Mobitec and as we all know, there is not many tourists in Edinburgh!
Lets roll back some years to 'roller blinds', and they use to show terminal points only, so it is nothing new.
How does the topography, road layout and route types differ with GNE and the operators in question?
I suppose route branding could be thrown in to the mix too - particularly if you throw in the likes of the 843.
RE: Go North East: Latest News & Discussion - November 2017 - S813 FVK - 12 Nov 2017
The bus stops themselves often show the main 'via' points with the Nexus ones even showing the approx. journey times. This could potentially relax the need for the via points on the displays themselves but is heavily reliant on the local authorities ensuring that every bus stop has an information board with the bus times on.