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Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Dan - 05 Feb 2023
A post on an enthusiasts' Facebook group has suggested that Ashington's E400MMCs are due to transfer out.
It would seem unlikely given the significant impact it would have on Ashington's ability to ensure CAZ compliance, but has anyone else heard this rumour and know if there's any substance in it?
It'll keep Storx happy, if it happens, I'm sure!
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Storx - 05 Feb 2023
Haven't heard anything tbh, can't imagine it though unless there's a massive batch coming from somewhere.
What's the rumour behind it, ie in return - curious
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - L469 YVK - 05 Feb 2023
Unless it's just 7541-52 (will be 6 year old in August) with a newer batch replacing them?
Then 7541-52 could perhaps go to Blyth........or even maybe Belmont / Darlington for the 7.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - V514DFT - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 3:19 pm)L469 YVK Unless it's just 7541-52 (will be 6 year old in August) with a newer batch replacing them?I can see em going to Blyth, do they run anything with a 12 pvr
Then 7541-52 could perhaps go to Blyth........or even maybe Belmont / Darlington for the 7.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Aaron21 - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 5:14 pm)V514DFT I can see em going to Blyth, do they run anything with a 12 pvr306/308 possibly. X7/X8/X9 but not sure
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - RobinHood - 05 Feb 2023
No plans to move these, they were spec'd with high capacity fuel tanks at build - specifically for use on the X14/15/18. They aren't going anywhere.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Storx - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 5:14 pm)V514DFT I can see em going to Blyth, do they run anything with a 12 pvr
Personally I'd send them to Darlington for the 7, move the Enviro's to Durham then send Streetlite's up to Ashington from both Darlington.
I'd send the 5 wrecked Solo's down to Durham at the same time for more Pulsar's and upgrade the 57/57A as the reliability is a shambles and there's constantly full size buses on the Durham 56/57/57A/49/49A aswell.
Something like:
7541 - 7551, Ashington to Darlington
7534 - 7540, Darlington to Durham
1595 - 1601, Durham to Darlington
1602 - 1614, Darlington to Ashington
at the same time:
1512 / 1513, Walkergate to Durham
1479, Walkergate to Darlington
1579 / 1580, Durham to Stockton
2852 - 2856, Ashington to Durham
1465 / 1466, Durham to Ashington
Would tidy depots up with Durham being Streetlite free, Walkergate bar the one bus for the 47 being Pulsar free and Ashington being Solo free. There's no need for Decker's on all the X14/X20/35 boards, it's overkill imo. No-one really loses out either.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Kuyoyo - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm)Storx Personally I'd send them to Darlington for the 7, move the Enviro's to Durham then send Streetlite's up to Ashington from both Darlington.
I'd send the 5 wrecked Solo's down to Durham at the same time for more Pulsar's and upgrade the 57/57A as the reliability is a shambles and there's constantly full size buses on the Durham 56/57/57A/49/49A aswell.
Something like:
7541 - 7551, Ashington to Darlington
7534 - 7540, Darlington to Durham
1595 - 1601, Durham to Darlington
1602 - 1614, Darlington to Ashington
at the same time:
1512 / 1513, Walkergate to Durham
1479, Walkergate to Darlington
1579 / 1580, Durham to Stockton
2853 - 2857, Ashington to Durham
1465 / 1466, Durham to Ashington
Would tidy depots up with Durham being Streetlite free, Walkergate bar the one bus for the 47 being Pulsar free and Ashington being Solo free. There's no need for Decker's on all the X14/X20/35 boards, it's overkill imo. No-one really loses out either.
Durham won’t be needing more Solos - indeed, they may have some going spare in April
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - mb134 - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm)Storx Would tidy depots up with Durham being Streetlite free, Walkergate bar the one bus for the 47 being Pulsar free and Ashington being Solo free. There's no need for Decker's on all the X14/X20/35 boards, it's overkill imo. No-one really loses out either.
There's need for a decker on all 3 of the X14 boards, all 3 are hammered with school loads or peak runs to town.
0645 to Thropton gets a full load on the way south for Morpeth schools.
0639 from Thropton is often full by Loansdean, and later on in the day does the 1545 short which is now rammed too.
The third bus now comes off the 0725 X15 from Berwick, which brings a bus full of school kids into Alnwick in the morning.
I think there might be one X20 board which could get by with a saloon, but for ease of allocation it's best to have them all decker.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Thomas12 - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 6:43 pm)Kuyoyo Durham won’t be needing more Solos - indeed, they may have some going spare in April
I assume cuts are planned?
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - L469 YVK - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm)Storx Personally I'd send them to Darlington for the 7, move the Enviro's to Durham then send Streetlite's up to Ashington from both Darlington.@storx - so would this mean StreetLites on the 1/2/57/57A?
I'd send the 5 wrecked Solo's down to Durham at the same time for more Pulsar's and upgrade the 57/57A as the reliability is a shambles and there's constantly full size buses on the Durham 56/57/57A/49/49A aswell.
Something like:
7541 - 7551, Ashington to Darlington
7534 - 7540, Darlington to Durham
1595 - 1601, Durham to Darlington
1602 - 1614, Darlington to Ashington
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Storx - 05 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 8:07 pm)L469 YVK @storx - so would this mean StreetLites on the 1/2/57/57A?
Potentially guess it depends on what is best, some of them would be Streetlite, other's would be the Pulsar's which are still about 15xx and that. Guess it depends on what would be better on what (1461 and the two from Durham would be Euro 5 though so would be restricted). Seems there's problems though as mentioned after, didn't realise the X14 boards had been changed as there used to be a board that could be ran by anything and was quite often ran with a minibus.
The 7 is a route which needs Decker's though really, I know Jimmi is always moaning about it and it is busy whenever I see it.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Jimmi - 06 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 9:19 pm)Storx Potentially guess it depends on what is best, some of them would be Streetlite, other's would be the Pulsar's which are still about 15xx and that. Guess it depends on what would be better on what (1461 and the two from Durham would be Euro 5 though so would be restricted). Seems there's problems though as mentioned after, didn't realise the X14 boards had been changed as there used to be a board that could be ran by anything and was quite often ran with a minibus.
The 7 is a route which needs Decker's though really, I know Jimmi is always moaning about it and it is busy whenever I see it.
I wouldn't say it needs a full decker output, although a few extra deckers at Darlington would help as some runs at peak times are getting allocated singles when a decker is really needed, plus you lose two of the E400s on weekdays as there's a 5/5A board that requires one with another needing to be deployed on the X26.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Storx - 06 Feb 2023
(06 Feb 2023, 7:47 am)Jimmi I wouldn't say it needs a full decker output, although a few extra deckers at Darlington would help as some runs at peak times are getting allocated singles when a decker is really needed, plus you lose two of the E400s on weekdays as there's a 5/5A board that requires one with another needing to be deployed on the X26.
Aye that's fair, but surely it would be better just doing all the boards if they could. Never know investment might help it grow as it's been a bit of a shambles lately from what I've heard. That and the 6 have almost been forgotten about lately imo. Similar with the 63 in Redcar which seems to be stuck with the awful Temsa's lately for a flagship route.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Mark66t - 08 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm)Storx Personally I'd send them to Darlington for the 7, move the Enviro's to Durham then send Streetlite's up to Ashington from both Darlington.
I'd send the 5 wrecked Solo's down to Durham at the same time for more Pulsar's and upgrade the 57/57A as the reliability is a shambles and there's constantly full size buses on the Durham 56/57/57A/49/49A aswell.
Something like:
7541 - 7551, Ashington to Darlington
7534 - 7540, Darlington to Durham
1595 - 1601, Durham to Darlington
1602 - 1614, Darlington to Ashington
at the same time:
1512 / 1513, Walkergate to Durham
1479, Walkergate to Darlington
1579 / 1580, Durham to Stockton
2852 - 2856, Ashington to Durham
1465 / 1466, Durham to Ashington
Would tidy depots up with Durham being Streetlite free, Walkergate bar the one bus for the 47 being Pulsar free and Ashington being Solo free. There's no need for Decker's on all the X14/X20/35 boards, it's overkill imo. No-one really loses out either.
7534..75.40 could come over to redcar Whitby for the and ride or if there are more capable the x93.94 as we have qrite a few Decker's off
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - NEbushopper - 08 Feb 2023
(05 Feb 2023, 6:25 pm)Storx There's no need for Decker's on all the X14/X20/35 boards, it's overkill imo. No-one really loses out either.
The 35 is always quiet when i've seen/been on it. Of coruse there is a need for the morning and afternoon school/peak trips but other than that the 35 could do with a pulsar
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Storx - 08 Feb 2023
(08 Feb 2023, 5:42 pm)NEbushopper The 35 is always quiet when i've seen/been on it. Of coruse there is a need for the morning and afternoon school/peak trips but other than that the 35 could do with a pulsar
Aye I believe it used to be mixed until quite recently with the 2 Streetlite's forming the allocation and the Centro's before that, believe it was ALX400's doing the other boards. Not sure how they came to that mind as it's like polar opposite in standards but then again it's Arriva.
Ashington seem to be struggling today, quite a few dropped boards; noticed the Commander is back on the road aswell which is unusual, it's never really been affected by the driver shortages.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - mb134 - 08 Feb 2023
(08 Feb 2023, 6:24 pm)Storx Aye I believe it used to be mixed until quite recently with the 2 Streetlite's forming the allocation and the Centro's before that, believe it was ALX400's doing the other boards. Not sure how they came to that mind as it's like polar opposite in standards but then again it's Arriva.
Ashington seem to be struggling today, quite a few dropped boards; noticed the Commander is back on the road aswell which is unusual, it's never really been affected by the driver shortages.
A couple of boards can deal with single decker allocation, but there are quite a few trips per day which need deckers. There's usually a couple in the morning which are hammered with schools, then the first couple after 9am heading to Morpeth are quite busy. Most trips alight and board quite a few at Ashington Bus Station too, throughout the day. Outside of the peaks it doesn't really need deckers, but then again do many routes?
They've been hampered quite a bit recently with drivers on the sick I believe, but I've heard that they have quite a few drivers currently in training as well as some full licence holders starting/coming back imminently. The Commander was never withdrawn or anything, was just waiting for parts. It's covering 7530/1 for refurb at the moment.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - Storx - 08 Feb 2023
(08 Feb 2023, 6:59 pm)mb134 A couple of boards can deal with single decker allocation, but there are quite a few trips per day which need deckers. There's usually a couple in the morning which are hammered with schools, then the first couple after 9am heading to Morpeth are quite busy. Most trips alight and board quite a few at Ashington Bus Station too, throughout the day. Outside of the peaks it doesn't really need deckers, but then again do many routes?
They've been hampered quite a bit recently with drivers on the sick I believe, but I've heard that they have quite a few drivers currently in training as well as some full licence holders starting/coming back imminently. The Commander was never withdrawn or anything, was just waiting for parts. It's covering 7530/1 for refurb at the moment.
Thanks for that, had a feeling that was what it was like with the 35's and how it was pretty much allocated. Mind noticed there's been more singles on since they've lost a lot of Decker's.
Yeah that's fair wasn't sure whether it was sickness or a complete lack of vehicles, they do they seem rather short in spares - noticed a Solo has been on the 2 from the start of day again.
RE: Rumoured cascade of ADL Enviro400MMCs from Ashington - mb134 - 08 Feb 2023
(08 Feb 2023, 7:24 pm)Storx Thanks for that, had a feeling that was what it was like with the 35's and how it was pretty much allocated. Mind noticed there's been more singles on since they've lost a lot of Decker's.
Yeah that's fair wasn't sure whether it was sickness or a complete lack of vehicles, they do they seem rather short in spares - noticed a Solo has been on the 2 from the start of day again.
There's not too many other routes they can put singles on really. None of the X14/15/18 boards can take one, the X21/22 can on a couple but generally most of them hit peaks at some stage so it's difficult, and there's only one X20 board which can. The 1/2 are single deck anyway, the 57 obviously should be minibus, and so that leaves the 35.