(15 Aug 2023, 10:03 am)tyresmoke You’d be better off tendering for a whole new service linking several job sites in one go.
Logically it would look something like Hartlepool Hospital - Hartlepool - A689 - Amazon - Wynyard - Wolviston Village - Billingham - Crooksbarn - North Tees Hospital - Hardwick


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(22 Oct 2023, 9:47 am)Unber43 With franchising becoming a big thing I wonder if there is anything you could do to possibly streamline/improve SC Newcastle operations?

(22 Oct 2023, 7:20 pm)Bazza You would hope that if franchising does happen all the routes, for all the operators, in the effected area would be looked at and all linked into some coherent form.   Here’s hoping anyway.

(22 Oct 2023, 7:20 pm)Bazza You would hope that if franchising does happen all the routes, for all the operators, in the effected area would be looked at and all linked into some coherent form.   Here’s hoping anyway.

(22 Oct 2023, 9:18 pm)Storx 22 (Every 15 Minutes): Current route every 15 minutes
23 (Every 30 Minutes): Winlaton to Whitley Bay, Old 12 Route from pre Covid changes from Winlaton to Newcastle, 1 route from Newcastle to Whitley Bay
23A (Every 30 Minutes): Winlaton to Whitley Bay, Old 12A route pre Covid from Winlaton to Newcastle, 1 route from Newcastle to Whitley Bay

22/23/23A: Every 7.5 Minutes combined Scotswood Bridge to Howdon minus the variation around Walkergate.
23/23A: Every 15 Minutes Blaydon to Whitley Bay

62 (Every 20 Minutes): No Route Changes
63 (Every 20 Minutes): No Route Changes (new route)
64 (Every 20 Minutes): Chapel House to Four Lane Ends (current 63 route)

62/63/64: Every 6 minutes combined (9 buses an hour)

30 (Every 10 Minutes): Statyford to Eldon Square
31: Withdrawn
36: Withdrawn

27 (Every 20 Minutes): Slatyford to South Shields (SNE 36 and GNE 27 merged - direct RVI to Gateshead link)

40 (Every 20 Minutes): Fawdon to Heworth (SNE 30 and GNE 58 merged)
41 (Every 20 Minutes): Kenton to Heworth (SNE 31 and GNE 58 merged)
42 (Every 30 Minutes): Red House Farm to Wardley (SNE 35 and GNE 57 merged)

40/41 every 10 minutes, Gosforth to Heworth
40-45: Turn up and go services, Newcastle to Gosforth, all serving Haymarket towards Gosforth similar to the Q3.

55 (Every 15 Minutes): Forest Hall Meadway to Metro Centre (55/97 merged)

GNE 1 and 12 withdrawn. Duplicates routes removed.
GNE 57 and 58 withdrawn, new cross river services.
11 restored back to West Denton

(22 Oct 2023, 11:22 pm)Unber43 So you would leave the rest the same?

Personally I would rename the 22 to the 2. And there is no need to send the 1 to Winlaton, just keep the 12 the way it is. 

But do Fawdon/Kenton/Red House really need a link to Heworth?

(22 Oct 2023, 11:49 pm)Storx Yeah nothing really wrong with them. You could potentially extend the X47 to the Great Park and play around with the 74/X77/X78/X79 so they're combined somehow but I don't know those routes at all.

It's more about removing the duplicate areas with the 22/23/23A changes though. The 1 and 12 both duplicate the 22 and are both less frequent so just makes sense to merge them together and have 1 route for the corridor. It means travelling from Howdon through to Newcastle Business Park get a 7.5 minute service instead of the 15 minute and 10 minute jumping on top of each other and it's a busy corridor. The 12 should really be more than 2 BPH aswell but it won't pick anyone up between Newcastle and Scotswood Bridge as it's less frequent so being part of the 22/23 corridor will help that aswell. The route is a right mess in Winlaton atm.

For Heworth doubt many will want to go right through, but it's more about the links inbetween Gateshead to Gosforth for example. It's also less buses blocking space in Newcastle with the 57/58 if they terminate outside the centre especially if they decide to close Blackett Street at some point. (Same reason for merging the 55/97 and 27/36). If you could find some stand space in Eldon Square for the 56 and terminate that there, if I'm right there wouldn't be any buses terminating on street at that point.

(22 Oct 2023, 11:57 pm)Unber43 All services which are in the NW of Eldon Square Newcastle should be renamed in the 7* number system, with certain expresses. Also X82 why not the X22?

Also I can see the 36 being connected onto a service, personally 57 would be a good call and increase the frequency of the 57 to every 20 mins to match, aswell renumber the 30/31 to 55/55A.

(22 Oct 2023, 9:47 am)Unber43 With franchising becoming a big thing I wonder if there is anything you could do to possibly streamline/improve SC Newcastle operations?

(23 Oct 2023, 12:04 am)Storx Aye can't disagree to be fair, the 71/72/87/X87/X88 lot is probably an area which needs looked at as it's a bit allover the place but I don't know the outer West End. Some of them will be extended to do the Callerton loop though I assume.

Newcastle badly needs more cross city routes heading North / South though. Other than the Metro it's pretty much non existent and break down the old 'territories'.

(23 Oct 2023, 6:05 am)Retro Nero I was thinking of suggesting some route ideas for South Shields as they have never had any changes for some years I think the last being services 10 & 11 , but everywhere in South Tyneside is just about covered.

(23 Oct 2023, 7:21 am)Aaron21 If I could bring 1 change to the 10/11 it would be to serve the North Shields Ferry Landing. When the ferry is off the tickets are accepted on the 10/11 but go nowhere near the Ferry and walking up the bank is a pain. Plus the tickets are also accepted on the Metro sometime and the 10/11 link at Jarrow and would make a great connection

Also other services suggested would be route changes. Having the X24/X34 serve Heworth would be a massive bonus for metro when it goes down. And extended the X34 to South Shields Interchange as well

(23 Oct 2023, 3:24 am)markydh I can tell you don’t know the outer west of Newcastle, given you’re proposing to give Lemington, Newburn and Throckley, the areas that provide the majority of the passengers on the 22 to and from the city centre, a less frequent service just to accommodate a clock face timetable along Scotswood Road. That would be stupid. Equally, the 36 route exists to provide local links between Fenham Hall Drive (and Sacred Heart school) and Denton Burn, Scotswood, Benwell, etc (as the 30/31 depending on direction) and has done so for many decades. Your 64/71/72/87 proposal removes these links unnecessarily. There are some instances where if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it and these are those occasions.

(23 Oct 2023, 3:24 am)markydh I can tell you don’t know the outer west of Newcastle, given you’re proposing to give Lemington, Newburn and Throckley, the areas that provide the majority of the passengers on the 22 to and from the city centre, a less frequent service just to accommodate a clock face timetable along Scotswood Road. That would be stupid. Equally, the 36 route exists to provide local links between Fenham Hall Drive (and Sacred Heart school) and Denton Burn, Scotswood, Benwell, etc (as the 30/31 depending on direction) and has done so for many decades. Your 64/71/72/87 proposal removes these links unnecessarily. There are some instances where if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it and these are those occasions.

(23 Oct 2023, 6:05 am)Retro Nero I was thinking of suggesting some route ideas for South Shields as they have never had any changes for some years I think the last being services 10 & 11 , but everywhere in South Tyneside is just about covered.

(22 Oct 2023, 9:47 am)Unber43 With franchising becoming a big thing I wonder if there is anything you could do to possibly streamline/improve SC Newcastle operations?