(24 Jan 2024, 5:09 am)James101 wrote I can only qualify my own post, but my reference to cost effective was in comparison to other branding exercises GNE have been guilty of, perhaps some of the X-lines Streetdecks which rattled through paint jobs.
If we’re agreed fleet livery would require two colours and vinyls and Super Shuttle needs 3(?) colours and vinyls then the marginal cost of this appearing to be designed and executed in-house is really not a big expense. I’m surprised you needed this interpretation explaining.
(24 Jan 2024, 10:38 am)Adrian wrote I'm not sure where the element of surprise comes from? If there's a suggestion that something is cost-effective, I think it's perfectly reasonable to query the rationale of the statement.
It may not come with the costs of an agency to design a livery for you, but you're still utilising staff time in design, prep and paint. With your example of fleet livery (red, blue plus road stripes vinyl), then prep and paint of this is almost double (red, blue, white, yellow(?), plus Super Shuttle vinyls). Plus, has this not been repainted elsewhere, prior to coming back to the North East, only to be painted a different shade of blue? One of the same batch in a very similar livery here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/62607125@N08/53463646194/.
All of this comes at a cost to the business, and as I've posted earlier, with no tangible record of results on this particular service.
(24 Jan 2024, 9:40 pm)busmanT wrote "years of spending untold thousands" was under the previous (2018-2022) MD of course.As much as you may dislike Martijn Gilbert (personally and/or professionall), other MDs were just as guilty of throwing paint around just for the sake of it. Branding the 69 (and 69A) 'Kingfisher' and 'Pulse' immediately springs to mind, but I'm guessing there are other examples of pointless multiple rebrands to routes not making any money (as evidenced by the fact GNE decided to ditch it leaving the taxpayer to pick up the bill).
(25 Jan 2024, 11:43 am)MurdnunoC wrote As much as you may dislike Martijn Gilbert (personally and/or professionall), other MDs were just as guilty of throwing paint around just for the sake of it. Branding the 69 (and 69A) 'Kingfisher' and 'Pulse' immediately springs to mind, but I'm guessing there are other examples of pointless multiple rebrands to routes not making any money (as evidenced by the fact GNE decided to ditch it leaving the taxpayer to pick up the bill).
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(24 Jan 2024, 12:09 pm)James101 wrote I was surprised at your seemingly one-dimensional interpretation of my post as you're usually an articulate contributor capable of critical thinking.
(25 Jan 2024, 11:43 am)MurdnunoC wrote As much as you may dislike Martijn Gilbert (personally and/or professionall), other MDs were just as guilty of throwing paint around just for the sake of it. Branding the 69 (and 69A) 'Kingfisher' and 'Pulse' immediately springs to mind, but I'm guessing there are other examples of pointless multiple rebrands to routes not making any money (as evidenced by the fact GNE decided to ditch it leaving the taxpayer to pick up the bill).
(25 Jan 2024, 12:12 pm)Storx wrote Depends there mind, they might have allowed it for free, as it's technically free advertising.
It's no different to the full wraps for buses to market a new film really.
(25 Jan 2024, 1:01 pm)Adrian wrote One is a business choosing to advertise their product (in the form of a full wrap), the other is a business, choosing to use someone else's work, to boost their own business. I'd be very surprised if it was used without a licence that they paid for.
(25 Jan 2024, 2:47 pm)Rapidsnap wrote The Magic Roundabout brand was used under license however due to the cost of renewing the license to keep using the brand, it was dropped once the original contract expired.
(25 Jan 2024, 2:47 pm)Rapidsnap wrote The Magic Roundabout brand was used under license however due to the cost of renewing the license to keep using the brand, it was dropped once the original contract expired.Somehow that makes the decision to brand this service worse
(25 Jan 2024, 3:58 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Think a few people questioned it at the time to why it was named the Magic Roundabout when the show didn't have any connection to Sunderland (unless smoking the same drugs as the creators of the show). In fact doing a quick search, the Magic Roundabout was originally a French show adapted for English TV. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...1163157250
I recall people also questioned to why the Black Cats brand was a pale yellow too. https://www.flickr.com/photos/gjm-photog...0482590552
(25 Jan 2024, 5:22 pm)cbma06 wrote The original black cats brand with the yellow base on those mpd’s has nothing to do with Sunderland football club, it was more to do with the world war at that time, also the fast cats brand name was more historical to Hartlepool boats when there arrived from overseas many many decades ago.
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(25 Jan 2024, 6:34 pm)cbma06 wrote Its branded as Fast Cats Brand and not Cats Fast brand
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(25 Jan 2024, 5:22 pm)cbma06 wrote The original black cats brand with the yellow base on those mpd’s has nothing to do with Sunderland football club, it was more to do with the world war at that time, also the fast cats brand name was more historical to Hartlepool boats when there arrived from overseas many many decades ago.
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(25 Jan 2024, 7:13 pm)stagecoachbusdepot wrote Explanation of the Black Cats brand name from the original timetable attached. For anyone interested the rationale given for the 33/42 was to bring a bit of colour and character, the route follows a circular path at one end and together with links to a community programme would bring buses to life for children...[emoji23][emoji23]
(25 Jan 2024, 11:43 am)I’m MurdnunoC wrote As much as you may dislike Martijn Gilbert (personally and/or professionall), other MDs were just as guilty of throwing paint around just for the sake of it. Branding the 69 (and 69A) 'Kingfisher' and 'Pulse' immediately springs to mind, but I'm guessing there are other examples of pointless multiple rebrands to routes not making any money (as evidenced by the fact GNE decided to ditch it leaving the taxpayer to pick up the bill).
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(10 May 2024, 6:09 pm)ne14ne1 wrote Is 6338 getting a rear red end? Is this the good idea Dan had before leaving that ALL Xlines should their rear in GNE red to allow flexibility between the Xline allocations
https://flic.kr/p/2pQmN5z.