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Adrian



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12 Jul 2014, 10:49 pm #41
(12 Jul 2014, 7:35 pm)BJ10VUS Even if they are running the same route in partnership? I obviously believe you're right with the information about the Competition Act and that, and I can see how it can prevent bad competition, but it isn't good for the fare-paying passengers.
It'd arguably be worse if the rules werent there, as there'd be nothing stopping the two operators colluding on a higher fare table.

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Adrian
12 Jul 2014, 10:49 pm #41

(12 Jul 2014, 7:35 pm)BJ10VUS Even if they are running the same route in partnership? I obviously believe you're right with the information about the Competition Act and that, and I can see how it can prevent bad competition, but it isn't good for the fare-paying passengers.
It'd arguably be worse if the rules werent there, as there'd be nothing stopping the two operators colluding on a higher fare table.


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G-CPTN



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13 Jul 2014, 11:15 am #42
(12 Jul 2014, 4:43 pm)Kuyoyo Stagecoach run 'short' 685 journeys between Carlisle and Brampton.

Whilst, no doubt, Stagecoach are responding to demand (they wouldn't, presumably, instigate a loss-making service) I wonder if it might accelerate the demise of the Arriva service?

Of course, as suggested, it depends on demand - if the passengers respond to a half-hourly service rather than an hourly service they may be encouraged to 'pop-in' to Carlisle (or Brampton) for a quick bit of shopping knowing that they don't have to wait an hour for a bus that might be half and hour late (having come from Newcastle) then there might be more trade.

In some respects, a long-distance service makes sense, but it also presents problems with time-keeping.
I have seen passengers from Newcastle left at Hexham on a Sunday when the Arriva service has been late arriving from Newcastle and the (reduced frequency 10.22, 13.22 and 16.22) Stagecoach service to Carlisle has left 'on time' meaning passengers have to wait three hours . . . . (instead of five minutes).
G-CPTN
13 Jul 2014, 11:15 am #42

(12 Jul 2014, 4:43 pm)Kuyoyo Stagecoach run 'short' 685 journeys between Carlisle and Brampton.

Whilst, no doubt, Stagecoach are responding to demand (they wouldn't, presumably, instigate a loss-making service) I wonder if it might accelerate the demise of the Arriva service?

Of course, as suggested, it depends on demand - if the passengers respond to a half-hourly service rather than an hourly service they may be encouraged to 'pop-in' to Carlisle (or Brampton) for a quick bit of shopping knowing that they don't have to wait an hour for a bus that might be half and hour late (having come from Newcastle) then there might be more trade.

In some respects, a long-distance service makes sense, but it also presents problems with time-keeping.
I have seen passengers from Newcastle left at Hexham on a Sunday when the Arriva service has been late arriving from Newcastle and the (reduced frequency 10.22, 13.22 and 16.22) Stagecoach service to Carlisle has left 'on time' meaning passengers have to wait three hours . . . . (instead of five minutes).

BJ10VUS



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13 Jul 2014, 11:32 am #43
(12 Jul 2014, 10:49 pm)aureolin It'd arguably be worse if the rules werent there, as there'd be nothing stopping the two operators colluding on a higher fare table.

I suppose that's true. Do you know if it applies to services like the M3, where part of the route is run by Arriva during the evening? Do Arriva charge what they want, or the usual GNE fares?
Edited 13 Jul 2014, 11:35 am by BJ10VUS.
BJ10VUS
13 Jul 2014, 11:32 am #43

(12 Jul 2014, 10:49 pm)aureolin It'd arguably be worse if the rules werent there, as there'd be nothing stopping the two operators colluding on a higher fare table.

I suppose that's true. Do you know if it applies to services like the M3, where part of the route is run by Arriva during the evening? Do Arriva charge what they want, or the usual GNE fares?

Tom



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13 Jul 2014, 11:34 am #44
(13 Jul 2014, 11:32 am)BJ10VUS I suppose that's true. Do you know if it applies to services like the M3, where part of the route is run by Arriva during the evening? Do Arriva charge what they want, or the usual £1.50, £2.00, etc fares?

It'll be the usual standard Nexus Bus fares... £1.55, £2.10 etc.
Tom
13 Jul 2014, 11:34 am #44

(13 Jul 2014, 11:32 am)BJ10VUS I suppose that's true. Do you know if it applies to services like the M3, where part of the route is run by Arriva during the evening? Do Arriva charge what they want, or the usual £1.50, £2.00, etc fares?

It'll be the usual standard Nexus Bus fares... £1.55, £2.10 etc.

Adrian



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13 Jul 2014, 11:35 am #45
(13 Jul 2014, 11:32 am)BJ10VUS I suppose that's true. Do you know if it applies to services like the M3, where part of the route is run by Arriva during the evening? Do Arriva charge what they want, or the usual £1.50, £2.00, etc fares?

I believe Arriva are cheaper on the M2/M3 for shorter journeys, as GNE "simplified" £1.45 and £1.95 Washington fares apply throughout the day.

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Adrian
13 Jul 2014, 11:35 am #45

(13 Jul 2014, 11:32 am)BJ10VUS I suppose that's true. Do you know if it applies to services like the M3, where part of the route is run by Arriva during the evening? Do Arriva charge what they want, or the usual £1.50, £2.00, etc fares?

I believe Arriva are cheaper on the M2/M3 for shorter journeys, as GNE "simplified" £1.45 and £1.95 Washington fares apply throughout the day.


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BJ10VUS



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13 Jul 2014, 11:37 am #46
(13 Jul 2014, 11:34 am)Tom It'll be the usual standard Nexus Bus fares... £1.55, £2.10 etc.

Oh right, thanks!
BJ10VUS
13 Jul 2014, 11:37 am #46

(13 Jul 2014, 11:34 am)Tom It'll be the usual standard Nexus Bus fares... £1.55, £2.10 etc.

Oh right, thanks!

BJ10VUS



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13 Jul 2014, 11:39 am #47
(13 Jul 2014, 11:35 am)aureolin I believe Arriva are cheaper on the M2/M3 for shorter journeys, as GNE "simplified" £1.45 and £1.95 Washington fares apply throughout the day.

"Simplified" is one way to put it! I know A-Line have a £1 fare on their M12 for shorter journeys, but I'm not sure if that's a Nexus set fare?
BJ10VUS
13 Jul 2014, 11:39 am #47

(13 Jul 2014, 11:35 am)aureolin I believe Arriva are cheaper on the M2/M3 for shorter journeys, as GNE "simplified" £1.45 and £1.95 Washington fares apply throughout the day.

"Simplified" is one way to put it! I know A-Line have a £1 fare on their M12 for shorter journeys, but I'm not sure if that's a Nexus set fare?

Adrian



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13 Jul 2014, 1:19 pm #48
(13 Jul 2014, 11:39 am)BJ10VUS "Simplified" is one way to put it! I know A-Line have a £1 fare on their M12 for shorter journeys, but I'm not sure if that's a Nexus set fare?

I'd queried the M2/M3 with Nexus once and they had told me that it isn't fully secured by Nexus on an evening, which is why they get away with not using NexusBus liveried vehicles. I'd say if this is the case, then Nexus don't set the fares.

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Adrian
13 Jul 2014, 1:19 pm #48

(13 Jul 2014, 11:39 am)BJ10VUS "Simplified" is one way to put it! I know A-Line have a £1 fare on their M12 for shorter journeys, but I'm not sure if that's a Nexus set fare?

I'd queried the M2/M3 with Nexus once and they had told me that it isn't fully secured by Nexus on an evening, which is why they get away with not using NexusBus liveried vehicles. I'd say if this is the case, then Nexus don't set the fares.


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13 Jul 2014, 1:52 pm #49
(13 Jul 2014, 11:15 am)G-CPTN Whilst, no doubt, Stagecoach are responding to demand (they wouldn't, presumably, instigate a loss-making service) I wonder if it might accelerate the demise of the Arriva service?

Of course, as suggested, it depends on demand - if the passengers respond to a half-hourly service rather than an hourly service they may be encouraged to 'pop-in' to Carlisle (or Brampton) for a quick bit of shopping knowing that they don't have to wait an hour for a bus that might be half and hour late (having come from Newcastle) then there might be more trade.
Why would it hasten a demise? The Brampton short workings have been in operation for years!
markydh
13 Jul 2014, 1:52 pm #49

(13 Jul 2014, 11:15 am)G-CPTN Whilst, no doubt, Stagecoach are responding to demand (they wouldn't, presumably, instigate a loss-making service) I wonder if it might accelerate the demise of the Arriva service?

Of course, as suggested, it depends on demand - if the passengers respond to a half-hourly service rather than an hourly service they may be encouraged to 'pop-in' to Carlisle (or Brampton) for a quick bit of shopping knowing that they don't have to wait an hour for a bus that might be half and hour late (having come from Newcastle) then there might be more trade.
Why would it hasten a demise? The Brampton short workings have been in operation for years!

G-CPTN



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13 Jul 2014, 2:53 pm #50
(13 Jul 2014, 1:52 pm)markydh Why would it hasten a demise? The Brampton short workings have been in operation for years!
I didn't know that.
G-CPTN
13 Jul 2014, 2:53 pm #50

(13 Jul 2014, 1:52 pm)markydh Why would it hasten a demise? The Brampton short workings have been in operation for years!
I didn't know that.

L469 YVK



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13 Jul 2014, 7:22 pm #51
(13 Jul 2014, 1:19 pm)aureolin I'd queried the M2/M3 with Nexus once and they had told me that it isn't fully secured by Nexus on an evening, which is why they get away with not using NexusBus liveried vehicles. I'd say if this is the case, then Nexus don't set the fares.

That's the same for Arriva's 53 evening journeys.
L469 YVK
13 Jul 2014, 7:22 pm #51

(13 Jul 2014, 1:19 pm)aureolin I'd queried the M2/M3 with Nexus once and they had told me that it isn't fully secured by Nexus on an evening, which is why they get away with not using NexusBus liveried vehicles. I'd say if this is the case, then Nexus don't set the fares.

That's the same for Arriva's 53 evening journeys.

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