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#1
(14/09/2015, 19:57)aureolin Wrote: Where do you draw the line though? 

I think a corporate liveried vehicle is the better solution when a MAX spec vehicle is unavailable. The alternative would be to have a large pool of MAX spec vehicles spare, but then we'd have the problem of MAX spec vehicles on non-MAX spec routes, as they'll not let the buses sit and fester in the depot all day...

I also feel that this is a problem you get, when you start pushing features like WiFi and e-Leather seating as a 'luxury' or 'feature' of the service. WiFi should be standard on all new orders, with an attempt to retrospectively fit it to older vehicles in the fleet, if there's a business justification to do so. I've made my feelings on eLeather more than known in the past too... Smile


Maybe we need velcro spec seats? Smile

Perhaps I'm missing something, but there seems to be a discrepancy across eLeather seating, and I know I'm not the only enthusiast to notice this. The Sapphire spec provides the most comfortable example of eLeather in the North East in my opinion. I find MAX spec to be a bit too firm and slippy, and I find the ones in GNE's Sapphire to be like sitting on a wooden bench. It's got me a bit baffled to be honest, as I thought it was all exactly the same!

Belmont seem to have loads of Sapphire buses which are spare going round on different routes such as 1517 on the 46/48 on Saturday whilst this was on here two non Sapphire spec buses ended up out on the 22/24. Ideally there should be corporate liveried buses that have the same features as MAX and Sapphire buses so they can be used on different routes when they aren't required to fill in on a branded route such as the X12, doesn't help that each service has to require log in details and you have to register for every different service, even under the same brand.
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#2
(14/09/2015, 20:02)aureolin Wrote: Sorted.  Dodgy

Mind, I agree, try sitting on them for 4 or 5 hours - bloody painful is not the word.
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#3
(14/09/2015, 19:57)aureolin Wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something, but there seems to be a discrepancy across eLeather seating, and I know I'm not the only enthusiast to notice this. The Sapphire spec provides the most comfortable example of eLeather in the North East in my opinion. I find MAX spec to be a bit too firm and slippy, and I find the ones in GNE's Streetlites to be like sitting on a wooden bench. It's got me a bit baffled to be honest, as I thought it was all exactly the same!

I agree with you on the Sapphire and GNE e-leather. The Sapphire type is the most comfortable and soft type (and was even when brand new) compared to the solid feel of the GNE one. However, I find MAX just as comfortable as the Sapphire ones. Haven't been on enough standard Arriva specification vehicles to know how well the e-leather is on those Streetlites.
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#4
(14/09/2015, 19:57)aureolin Wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something, but there seems to be a discrepancy across eLeather seating, and I know I'm not the only enthusiast to notice this. The Sapphire spec provides the most comfortable example of eLeather in the North East in my opinion. I find MAX spec to be a bit too firm and slippy, and I find the ones in GNE's Streetlites to be like sitting on a wooden bench. It's got me a bit baffled to be honest, as I thought it was all exactly the same!

I've had this conversation with Marcus, and I still don't understand how some enthusiasts think that there's differences between e-leather seating on the same type of seats. When I had the conversation with Marcus, I honestly thought his judgement had been swayed by the colour of the seats, as the Sapphire colour-scheme is a lot more appealing than the darker colour-scheme of Go North East's Streetlites (they say the packaging of food can often sway opinion on the taste).

I think there's a tiny bit more padding on Civic V3 seats than Civic V2 seats (in addition to the headrests), which is why the seats in Sapphire vehicles are marginally more comfortable than those in the 'eco-green' livery for example. Go North East's e-leather seats are Civic V3 too though, and they feel exactly the same as Arriva's Sapphire seats to me.

If there is a difference, all I could put it down to is the fact that Go North East's vehicles are newer and the Sapphire ones aren't as firm given that they've been used more. When I compared the two when new, it did seem that Go North East's had more padding, and I think I noted this on the forum at the time.

Obviously it's an entirely different ball game when you throw different seating types into the mix: the e-leather seating on the ADL Enviro400MMC demonstrator (recently used on Go North East's X21 service) was incredibly comfortable.
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#5
Personally, the most comfiest e-leather seat I've been on is on the MAX X14 Omni's, about three hours and it felt like I was sat on a bed with headrests. The '57 X15 E400s aren't far behind.

There is a difference in the '57 and '14 Sapphire E400s though. The older, has firmer seats, not nice if traveling beyond Bedlington from Newcastle. The newer buses have softer seats, even on the first day of service, they're much better now (love the downstairs rear seats!).

The MAX X10/X11 Gemini seats are OK, not far behind '57 Sapphires, the MAX X12s were ok too.

The MAX X18 E400s are also nice to sit on, but e-leather on a long journey like this is not recommended.
Tom | omnicity4659.co.uk  

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#6
(14/09/2015, 19:57)aureolin Wrote: Perhaps I'm missing something, but there seems to be a discrepancy across eLeather seating, and I know I'm not the only enthusiast to notice this. The Sapphire spec provides the most comfortable example of eLeather in the North East in my opinion. I find MAX spec to be a bit too firm and slippy, and I find the ones in GNE's Streetlites to be like sitting on a wooden bench. It's got me a bit baffled to be honest, as I thought it was all exactly the same!

Yep, the Sapphire seating is nice and, if I'm not mistaken, the seating on the GNE Mauve Indigo Solos is the same. The Max seating isn't as nicely moulded, is a bit harder, and some of the headrests are already coming apart.
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#7
Moderation note: I've split the above posts into this new thread, as it's a frequently debated topic across the multiple operator threads on this forum, yet not really specific to an individual operator.
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#8
(14/09/2015, 20:49)BusLoverMum Wrote: Yep, the Sapphire seating is nice and, if I'm not mistaken, the seating on the GNE Mauve Indigo Solos is the same. The Max seating isn't as nicely moulded, is a bit harder, and some of the headrests are already coming apart.
I have noticed the plastic base on the Streetlites doing the same.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
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#9
The worst seats are on 4661...
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#10
I could say what my least favourite seats are but let us not go there again!

The actual most uncomfortable seats I've ever encounted was one of the Dart's Arriva acquired when they took over the Stagecoach Darlington operations, the whole seat was plastic, it was actually painful, thankfully I was only subjected to it once on a short journey.
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