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#11
(11/03/2017, 16:06)markydh Wrote: 23 new buses in 6 years? Considering the amount of profit they make here, I consider that a scandal frankly.

What amount of profit!? Or do you think these cuts are just to piss people off? Fact - Newcastle isn't the cash cow some people seem to think it is.
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#12
Using the word 'fact' doesn't make it so. Cite your evidence. Personally, I see the cuts as a bargain basement way of withdrawing the 54 reg buses which would otherwise have required direct replacements.
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#13
(11/03/2017, 16:48)markydh Wrote: Using the word 'fact' doesn't make it so. Cite your evidence. Personally, I see the cuts as a bargain basement way of withdrawing the 54 reg buses which would otherwise have required direct replacements.

Having read a very nasty rumour on another forum recently, I would echo your call for people to back "facts" with evidence.
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#14
(11/03/2017, 17:11)Tamesider Wrote: Having read a very nasty rumour on another forum recently, I would echo your call for people to back "facts" with evidence.


I've just checked the last financial report for Busways as a whole and it made a post-tax profit in 15/16 of £9.03 million, which was actually an £800K increase. Cleveland Transit was £2.5 million. Greater Manchester Buses South was £9.46 million. I mention the latter because it's various depots see heavy investment year on year. To put that into context, Busways has less than half the number of vehicles GMBS has, yet generates almost as much post-tax profit.
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#15
(11/03/2017, 17:24)markydh Wrote: I've just checked the last financial report for Busways as a whole and it made a post-tax profit in 15/16 of £9.03 million, which was actually an £800K increase. Cleveland Transit was £2.5 million. Greater Manchester Buses South was £9.46 million. I mention the latter because it's various depots see heavy investment year on year. To put that into context, Busways has less than half the number of vehicles GMBS has, yet generates almost as much post-tax profit.

Interesting; I've just done a search on the Companies' House site for GMBS, albeit I can only decipher Pre-tax profits. That seems to show gross profit of £12.526m (is £3m+ a bit much for tax?). Point being, profits have nose dived over the last two years. Turnover has actually increased, but I suspect that's more to do with fare increases and the transfer of the GMBW (ie. Wigan) accounts to the main company. It all points to a big increase in costs
My point about "rumour v fact" is that the Statement blames the drop in profit on a repayment of an internal loan, the continued stagnation of the Economy and cuts in LA funding. However, the "rumour" is that the drop in profits is due to the cost of "Roadworks in the city" estimated at £8 million. As such, the company has been "instructed by Perth" to cut services across GM to recover that money. 

As regards the seemingly large investment - you'll note that it isn't continuing into 2017/8 - this is presumably due to a combination of trying to stop a voluntary "LEZ" becoming compulsory, and decision to get rid of MANs (of all ages) as quickly as possible. A more subtle variation of the latter could be a bid to generally replace single-deckers with double-deckers to allow for across the board cuts in headways, whilst maintaining peak hour capacity. That would save the most money "on paper", but with punctuality worsening by the day, especially outside the city boundary, and the reduced flexibility for day-to-day maintenance (virtually all buses out from 0700-1800), I suspect it will only accelerate off-peak passenger loss.

The whole situation is complicated by mixed messages about the Bus Services Bill, of course. On the one hand, we had the Second Reading in the Commons last week, with some very surprising and encouraging comments from certain GM MPs (of all three main parties), with a rumour of a further announcement this coming Friday. OTOH, there is a suggestion that the fallout from Brexit will delay the whole process until after the Mayoral Elections - which in turn could put the whole Bill in doubt, although the source of this suggestion hasn't explained how.
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#16
And to provide a loose comparison (difficult when the three companies have totally different accounting years), Arriva Northumbria's post-tax profit for 2015 was just £1.2 million! Go North East's was £6.5 million for 14/15. 15/16 haven't appeared on the Companies House website, yet (they should be on in the next few weeks, though). So based on all this, I would suggest the the actual facts support the notion that Stagecoach do very well out of Tyne and Wear!
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#17
(11/03/2017, 00:48)Kuyoyo Wrote: This has been shared on 'DartSLF.com', and comes from Paul Blackman on 'South England Bus Enthusiasts' Facebook Group

Alexander Dennis Enviro400MMC
10866 to 10881 for Cambridge
10882 to 10888 for Birkenhead
10889 to 10895 for Winchester
10896 to 10901 for Gainsborough
10902 to 10905 for Oxford
10906 to 10927 for Kilmarnock

Volvo B5LH
13111 to 13117 for Arbroath

Alexander Dennis Enviro200MMC 11.8M
26141 to 26145 for Stockport
26146 to 26165 for Portsmouth
26166 to 26171 for Dunfermline
26172 to 26177 for Guildford

Alexander Dennis Enviro200MMC 10.8M
37451 to 37474 for Porth
37475 to 37480 for Barnsley
37481 to 37490 for Lincoln
37491 to 37515 for Nuneaton
37516 to 37524 for Guildford

Scania N230UD/Alexander Dennis Enviro400MMC (which obviously means they have made up and Scania have agreed to fit e-fans rather than belt-powered ones)
15291 to 15294 for Fenstanton
15295 to 15305 for Preston
15306 to 15327 for Torquay
15328 to 15339 for Eastbourne
15340 to 15349 for Swindon

Volvo B8RLE
21311 to 21312 for Fenstanton

Volvo Coaches
53401 to 53409 for Dunfermline

54351 to 54355 for Macduff
54356 to 54361 for Glenrothes
54362 to 54363 for Perth

54401 to 54403 for Chesterfield

54821 to 54825 for Inverness
54826 to 54834 for Bedford

Volvo B5TL Open Topper
13801 to 13807 for Kendal

Apparently, the orders haven't been officially announced by Stagecoach, so hopefully there are more vehicles on the 2017/8 order. Fingers Crossed!
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#18
(11/03/2017, 15:15)Michael Wrote: Tongue

Hopefully the open tops for Kendel are here by the Summer, as i'm heading to lakes on the 5th August for a week.

Due for the summer they are. 17013/4/5/6/17217/17221/17277 (minus 17012) will be up for disposal with 17692 transferring to Carlisle.
Check out the Flickr... 
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#19
(14/03/2017, 22:42)RBZ 5459 Wrote: Due for the summer they are. 17013/4/5/6/17217/17221/17277 (minus 17012) will be up for disposal with 17692 transferring to Carlisle.

Cool, thanks for the info Smile
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#20
(13/03/2017, 21:31)AIG20 Wrote: Apparently, the orders haven't been officially announced by Stagecoach, so hopefully there are more vehicles on the 2017/8 order. Fingers Crossed!

Yes very small order compared to previous years (under 300 compared to 480 plus extra last year)

Perhaps DDA deadlines have inflated the last two years orders
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