Go North East: 2017/18 Financial Year Order Predictions
Go North East: 2017/18 Financial Year Order Predictions
(14 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm)L469 YVK New buses:
- 12x StreetDecks
Allocations / Cascades:
- 6301-07 + 12x new StreetDecks for Cobalt Clipper.
- 6101-07 to Crook for Castles Express
- 6108-13 to Stanley for Toon Link
- 6114-17 to Stanley for Red Kite
- 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS
(14 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm)L469 YVK New buses:
- 12x StreetDecks
Allocations / Cascades:
- 6301-07 + 12x new StreetDecks for Cobalt Clipper.
- 6101-07 to Crook for Castles Express
- 6108-13 to Stanley for Toon Link
- 6114-17 to Stanley for Red Kite
- 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS
(14 Mar 2018, 4:36 pm)Dan I doubt we'd ever see the StreetDecks on Castles Express replaced with Volvo B9s. There's no massive need for them to be replaced, either. The allocation of anything besides a StreetDeck has become much more uncommon following the addition of 6332 to the fleet.
They have ups and downs with the StreetDecks at Crook, but they're still some of the most reliable buses in the fleet (despite what is suggested by enthusiasts). The only trouble is when one goes down, the others bizarrely have a habit of following suit at the same time!
The boards on the Toon Link which can be operated by double-decks are operated by double-decks (OmniDekkas at the moment, but gradually being replaced by Volvo B9s). 6108-13 couldn't replace the OmniCitys on Toon Link if this is what you were suggesting, as the single-deck boards operate at least one journey on the X30 (which operates under a low-bridge in Dunston).
However; if/when the Red Kite services are upgraded again, 6118-21 would be a logical cascade to Percy Main for the DFDS service.
(14 Mar 2018, 4:36 pm)Dan I doubt we'd ever see the StreetDecks on Castles Express replaced with Volvo B9s. There's no massive need for them to be replaced, either. The allocation of anything besides a StreetDeck has become much more uncommon following the addition of 6332 to the fleet.
They have ups and downs with the StreetDecks at Crook, but they're still some of the most reliable buses in the fleet (despite what is suggested by enthusiasts). The only trouble is when one goes down, the others bizarrely have a habit of following suit at the same time!
The boards on the Toon Link which can be operated by double-decks are operated by double-decks (OmniDekkas at the moment, but gradually being replaced by Volvo B9s). 6108-13 couldn't replace the OmniCitys on Toon Link if this is what you were suggesting, as the single-deck boards operate at least one journey on the X30 (which operates under a low-bridge in Dunston).
However; if/when the Red Kite services are upgraded again, 6118-21 would be a logical cascade to Percy Main for the DFDS service.
(14 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm)L469 YVK New buses:
- 12x StreetDecks
Allocations / Cascades:
- 6301-07 + 12x new StreetDecks for Cobalt Clipper.
- 6101-07 to Crook for Castles Express
- 6108-13 to Stanley for Toon Link
- 6114-17 to Stanley for Red Kite
- 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS
(14 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm)L469 YVK New buses:
- 12x StreetDecks
Allocations / Cascades:
- 6301-07 + 12x new StreetDecks for Cobalt Clipper.
- 6101-07 to Crook for Castles Express
- 6108-13 to Stanley for Toon Link
- 6114-17 to Stanley for Red Kite
- 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS
(14 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm)L469 YVK New buses:
- 12x StreetDecks
Allocations / Cascades:
- 6301-07 + 12x new StreetDecks for Cobalt Clipper.
- 6101-07 to Crook for Castles Express
- 6108-13 to Stanley for Toon Link
- 6114-17 to Stanley for Red Kite
- 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS
(14 Mar 2018, 4:29 pm)L469 YVK New buses:
- 12x StreetDecks
Allocations / Cascades:
- 6301-07 + 12x new StreetDecks for Cobalt Clipper.
- 6101-07 to Crook for Castles Express
- 6108-13 to Stanley for Toon Link
- 6114-17 to Stanley for Red Kite
- 6118-21 to Percy Main for DFDS
(25 Mar 2018, 6:20 pm)JM03 When does 2018/19 lredictions start?
(19 Apr 2018, 6:56 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Red Arrows
6001 to 6007 and 6049 to 6055 to Stanley for the Red Kite Services 45/46 & 47
6118 to 6121 to Percy Main for DFDS 327 - Omnidekkas Withdrawn
5409 to 5418 to Deptford - Black Cats Solars - Withdrawn
(19 Apr 2018, 6:56 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Red Arrows
6001 to 6007 and 6049 to 6055 to Stanley for the Red Kite Services 45/46 & 47
6118 to 6121 to Percy Main for DFDS 327 - Omnidekkas Withdrawn
5409 to 5418 to Deptford - Black Cats Solars - Withdrawn
(19 Apr 2018, 6:56 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Red Arrows
6001 to 6007 and 6049 to 6055 to Stanley for the Red Kite Services 45/46 & 47
6118 to 6121 to Percy Main for DFDS 327 - Omnidekkas Withdrawn
5409 to 5418 to Deptford - Black Cats Solars - Withdrawn
(19 Apr 2018, 6:56 pm)Malarkey 17 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 - Red Arrows
6001 to 6007 and 6049 to 6055 to Stanley for the Red Kite Services 45/46 & 47
6118 to 6121 to Percy Main for DFDS 327 - Omnidekkas Withdrawn
5409 to 5418 to Deptford - Black Cats Solars - Withdrawn
(19 Apr 2018, 8:14 pm)Michael Scania's are here till June 2019 because of the modifactions made to them.
(19 Apr 2018, 8:14 pm)Michael Scania's are here till June 2019 because of the modifactions made to them.
(19 Apr 2018, 8:10 pm)Andreos1 More a gut instinct, rather than being under pretence of insider knowledge.
I don't think the X1 makes as much money as we maybe think it does and therefore, may explain why the B9's have been operating as long as they have, with little sign of any replacement or internal upgrade/refresh.
Across its route, it picks up punters connecting from another service. Whether it be a proportion boarding in Houghton or a lengthy load getting on at the Galleries north-bound, or Gateshead, the Galleries or Houghton southbound.
There are naturally very few points on the route (Hetton maybe excepted), where passengers board and pay a fare expecting to change to a service going somewhere the X1 doesnt.
Grasswell, Hetton, Shiney, Springwell and possibly Wrekenton, are the few places to take cash fares from experience. I would argue numbers (both financial and bums on seats) at those points are dwarfed by numbers at Houghton, the Galleries or Gateshead.
Not sure how this can be fixed.
The route needs deckers and possibly replacements for the vehicles currently allocated, but (as far as I can see), the route doesn't take as much as it should in cash fares...
Passengers across the coalfields and Washington are encouraged by theoperators business model to buy day tickets etc and change buses at key interchange points.
If those tickets are bought on a service which connects to the X1, such as the 4, X5, 8, 35, 36, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86 - then it doesn't really support any financial business case put forward to purchase new vehicles for the X1. The others maybe (in fact look how many of those services have vehicles which are newer than the B9's or have had a refurb).
The X1 no.
(19 Apr 2018, 8:10 pm)Andreos1 More a gut instinct, rather than being under pretence of insider knowledge.
I don't think the X1 makes as much money as we maybe think it does and therefore, may explain why the B9's have been operating as long as they have, with little sign of any replacement or internal upgrade/refresh.
Across its route, it picks up punters connecting from another service. Whether it be a proportion boarding in Houghton or a lengthy load getting on at the Galleries north-bound, or Gateshead, the Galleries or Houghton southbound.
There are naturally very few points on the route (Hetton maybe excepted), where passengers board and pay a fare expecting to change to a service going somewhere the X1 doesnt.
Grasswell, Hetton, Shiney, Springwell and possibly Wrekenton, are the few places to take cash fares from experience. I would argue numbers (both financial and bums on seats) at those points are dwarfed by numbers at Houghton, the Galleries or Gateshead.
Not sure how this can be fixed.
The route needs deckers and possibly replacements for the vehicles currently allocated, but (as far as I can see), the route doesn't take as much as it should in cash fares...
Passengers across the coalfields and Washington are encouraged by theoperators business model to buy day tickets etc and change buses at key interchange points.
If those tickets are bought on a service which connects to the X1, such as the 4, X5, 8, 35, 36, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86 - then it doesn't really support any financial business case put forward to purchase new vehicles for the X1. The others maybe (in fact look how many of those services have vehicles which are newer than the B9's or have had a refurb).
The X1 no.
(21 Apr 2018, 11:28 am)L469 YVK I can see where you're coming from there like. The B9TLs are very well suited to the route too.
The only thing I could perhaps see happening if GNE start to replace the older Omnidekkas and Vykings is:
- New buses being ordered for 'either' the Tyne Valley Ten, Fab 56 or Cobalt Clipper (probably either of the latter 2x taking BSOG and funding into account).
- B9s from whatever route above cascaded onto the Red Arrows and bringing it inline with the specification for most mainstream decker routes (plugs, USBs etc).
- 6049-55 as well as 6005-07 replace the ex London B9s on the Toon Link and 15.
- 6001-04 for DFDS 327.
- Ex London B9s replace older Omnidekkas and Vykings (or older Omnidekkas replace Vykings).
(21 Apr 2018, 11:28 am)L469 YVK I can see where you're coming from there like. The B9TLs are very well suited to the route too.
The only thing I could perhaps see happening if GNE start to replace the older Omnidekkas and Vykings is:
- New buses being ordered for 'either' the Tyne Valley Ten, Fab 56 or Cobalt Clipper (probably either of the latter 2x taking BSOG and funding into account).
- B9s from whatever route above cascaded onto the Red Arrows and bringing it inline with the specification for most mainstream decker routes (plugs, USBs etc).
- 6049-55 as well as 6005-07 replace the ex London B9s on the Toon Link and 15.
- 6001-04 for DFDS 327.
- Ex London B9s replace older Omnidekkas and Vykings (or older Omnidekkas replace Vykings).
(22 Apr 2018, 4:32 am)Andreos1 I'm not saying the X1 definitely won't get new vehicles.
I just struggle to see the financials stack up.
It is the same with the last few runs on a night off Newcastle.
There's usually very few cash fares atall from experience and having been in the unfortunate position to have to pay a cash fare a few times, you can understand why.
It makes very little financial sense to run those services. However, it wouldn't do them many favours to cancel those runs, as inbound traffic earlier in the night would likely suffer.
(22 Apr 2018, 4:32 am)Andreos1 I'm not saying the X1 definitely won't get new vehicles.
I just struggle to see the financials stack up.
It is the same with the last few runs on a night off Newcastle.
There's usually very few cash fares atall from experience and having been in the unfortunate position to have to pay a cash fare a few times, you can understand why.
It makes very little financial sense to run those services. However, it wouldn't do them many favours to cancel those runs, as inbound traffic earlier in the night would likely suffer.
(22 Apr 2018, 11:04 am)mb134 With the QR codes being introduced, is there now not more scope to measure actual passenger numbers on a service?
Three people may buy day tickets on services X, Y and Z, but then if they immediately change onto the X1 is that not what should be looked at?
(22 Apr 2018, 11:04 am)mb134 With the QR codes being introduced, is there now not more scope to measure actual passenger numbers on a service?
Three people may buy day tickets on services X, Y and Z, but then if they immediately change onto the X1 is that not what should be looked at?
(22 Apr 2018, 1:15 pm)Andreos1 I would hope so and think I have commented about it in the past.
I suppose it all depends on how they use the data and whether or not the 2006 changes have impacted on travel patterns to an extent that any data collected is skewed or biased.
I mentioned before about the changes in 2006 (both service and ticket structures) impacting on me attending midweek games.
There won't be any actual data collected by these new machines to report on that, therefore despite there possibly being some demand to reinstate a direct bus, any analysis from QR tickets wont pick this up.
I wont be the only one in that position and it won't just be limited to passengers coming back from the match either.
So many changes in 2006 based on data where its accuracy has to be questioned.
(22 Apr 2018, 1:15 pm)Andreos1 I would hope so and think I have commented about it in the past.
I suppose it all depends on how they use the data and whether or not the 2006 changes have impacted on travel patterns to an extent that any data collected is skewed or biased.
I mentioned before about the changes in 2006 (both service and ticket structures) impacting on me attending midweek games.
There won't be any actual data collected by these new machines to report on that, therefore despite there possibly being some demand to reinstate a direct bus, any analysis from QR tickets wont pick this up.
I wont be the only one in that position and it won't just be limited to passengers coming back from the match either.
So many changes in 2006 based on data where its accuracy has to be questioned.
(22 Apr 2018, 1:20 pm)Michael Ah ye the year where Go North East changed all its network, and tbh, its kinda worked on some routes, at first however, it was confusion as out, loads of services withdrawn and merged with other routes.
Which area was the first to receive branding on such a big scale?
(22 Apr 2018, 1:20 pm)Michael Ah ye the year where Go North East changed all its network, and tbh, its kinda worked on some routes, at first however, it was confusion as out, loads of services withdrawn and merged with other routes.
Which area was the first to receive branding on such a big scale?
(22 Apr 2018, 1:20 pm)Michael
Ah ye the year where Go North East changed all its network, and tbh, its kinda worked on some routes, at first however, it was confusion as out, loads of services withdrawn and merged with other routes.
Which area was the first to receive branding on such a big scale?
(22 Apr 2018, 1:20 pm)Michael
Ah ye the year where Go North East changed all its network, and tbh, its kinda worked on some routes, at first however, it was confusion as out, loads of services withdrawn and merged with other routes.
Which area was the first to receive branding on such a big scale?
Heard a story from a pretty accurate source, that Mercs will be arriving from at least one other Go-ahead division from next month.
I don't have any further details at this stage, but my guesses are that they will be replacing vehicles over the next period - rather than supplementing them.
