Arriva North East: Order Predictions
Arriva North East: Order Predictions
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
Its difficult to place a 'prediction' as such, but I don't for a minute think that Arriva will fork out for 60 new buses...
What I would like to see happen -
12x Enviro 400MMCs (Sapphire spec) for service 7 to replace 6x E400s 7534-38/40 and 6x Pulsars 1514-17/22/23
Then -
7534/35/36 used to displace older E400 7519/20/21 at Belmont for service 6.
7537/38/40 used to displace Pulsar 1524/25/26 at Belmont for service 6 for extra capacity.
1514-17/22-26 used to displace Solos/knackered Tempos on the 56/57/57A/86.
(29 Oct 2017, 12:50 am)omnicity4659 Never going to happen, to put it bluntly. Think someone's got drunk
There's Wright StreetDecks ordered for X15 apparently.
(29 Oct 2017, 12:50 am)omnicity4659 Never going to happen, to put it bluntly. Think someone's got drunk
There's Wright StreetDecks ordered for X15 apparently.
Sadly it seems the purchase of StreetLite's and StreetDeck's is actually happening, or at least the StreetLite's are, as they are supposedly due to arrive at Darlington in January.
I really can't predict much else, although one thing to consider is from next year, the Whitby Park & Ride contract will require buses no older than 10 years old, so you are either going to need something new or cascades from somewhere, VDL Gemini's or E400's maybe? That's assuming Arriva win the contract again or even bid for it although I imagine it will be Arriva operated again.
(29 Oct 2017, 12:25 pm)Jimmi I really can't predict much else, although one thing to consider is from next year, the Whitby Park & Ride contract will require buses no older than 10 years old, so you are either going to need something new or cascades from somewhere, VDL Gemini's or E400's maybe? That's assuming Arriva win the contract again or even bid for it although I imagine it will be Arriva operated again.
(29 Oct 2017, 12:25 pm)Jimmi I really can't predict much else, although one thing to consider is from next year, the Whitby Park & Ride contract will require buses no older than 10 years old, so you are either going to need something new or cascades from somewhere, VDL Gemini's or E400's maybe? That's assuming Arriva win the contract again or even bid for it although I imagine it will be Arriva operated again.
(29 Oct 2017, 12:50 am)omnicity4659 Never going to happen, to put it bluntly. Think someone's got drunk
There's Wright StreetDecks ordered for X15 apparently.
(29 Oct 2017, 12:50 am)omnicity4659 Never going to happen, to put it bluntly. Think someone's got drunk
There's Wright StreetDecks ordered for X15 apparently.
(29 Oct 2017, 1:51 pm)Malarkey I can't see any reason why it wouldn't happen when Arriva The Shires, North West (Merseyside), Wales/Cymru and Yorkshire divisions have all had significant investment in the past few years.
Looking back to 2014 Arriva purchased 58 new vehicles for the North East division, since then we've had 31 new vehicles enter service here with the rest being cascades from elsewhere, clearly showing a lack of investment.
(29 Oct 2017, 1:51 pm)Malarkey I can't see any reason why it wouldn't happen when Arriva The Shires, North West (Merseyside), Wales/Cymru and Yorkshire divisions have all had significant investment in the past few years.
Looking back to 2014 Arriva purchased 58 new vehicles for the North East division, since then we've had 31 new vehicles enter service here with the rest being cascades from elsewhere, clearly showing a lack of investment.
(29 Oct 2017, 2:32 pm)omnicity4659 Arriva North East have had loads of investment over the years, take the 2009-13 intake of Pulsars, the 2014-5 intake of StreetLites, the 2014-2017 intake of E400s, a brand new depot at Ashington, a refurbished depot at Belmont, and the upcoming relocation of Newcastle depot.
Then there's all the buses that have been refurbished.
If that isn't "significant investment" I don't know what is.
(29 Oct 2017, 2:32 pm)omnicity4659 Arriva North East have had loads of investment over the years, take the 2009-13 intake of Pulsars, the 2014-5 intake of StreetLites, the 2014-2017 intake of E400s, a brand new depot at Ashington, a refurbished depot at Belmont, and the upcoming relocation of Newcastle depot.
Then there's all the buses that have been refurbished.
If that isn't "significant investment" I don't know what is.
(29 Oct 2017, 2:32 pm)omnicity4659 Arriva North East have had loads of investment over the years, take the 2009-13 intake of Pulsars, the 2014-5 intake of StreetLites, the 2014-2017 intake of E400s, a brand new depot at Ashington, a refurbished depot at Belmont, and the upcoming relocation of Newcastle depot.
Then there's all the buses that have been refurbished.
If that isn't "significant investment" I don't know what is.
(29 Oct 2017, 2:32 pm)omnicity4659 Arriva North East have had loads of investment over the years, take the 2009-13 intake of Pulsars, the 2014-5 intake of StreetLites, the 2014-2017 intake of E400s, a brand new depot at Ashington, a refurbished depot at Belmont, and the upcoming relocation of Newcastle depot.
Then there's all the buses that have been refurbished.
If that isn't "significant investment" I don't know what is.
(29 Oct 2017, 2:32 pm)omnicity4659 Arriva North East have had loads of investment over the years, take the 2009-13 intake of Pulsars, the 2014-5 intake of StreetLites, the 2014-2017 intake of E400s, a brand new depot at Ashington, a refurbished depot at Belmont, and the upcoming relocation of Newcastle depot.
Then there's all the buses that have been refurbished.
If that isn't "significant investment" I don't know what is.
(29 Oct 2017, 2:32 pm)omnicity4659 Arriva North East have had loads of investment over the years, take the 2009-13 intake of Pulsars, the 2014-5 intake of StreetLites, the 2014-2017 intake of E400s, a brand new depot at Ashington, a refurbished depot at Belmont, and the upcoming relocation of Newcastle depot.
Then there's all the buses that have been refurbished.
If that isn't "significant investment" I don't know what is.
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
(29 Oct 2017, 2:43 pm)omnicity4659 Also, Arriva were the first of the 'big three' to have a full easy accessible fleet, and are about to embark on the largest refurbishment programme in its history.
(28 Oct 2017, 10:14 pm)Malarkey 30 - Volvo B8RLE Wright Eclipse 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12/X26/X27/X66/X67/X75 & X76
30 - Volvo B5TL Wright Gemini 3 for MAX Services: X7/X8/X9/X10/X11/X12 & X93
(29 Oct 2017, 2:43 pm)omnicity4659 Also, Arriva were the first of the 'big three' to have a full easy accessible fleet, and are about to embark on the largest refurbishment programme in its history.
(29 Oct 2017, 4:04 pm)Malarkey Take away the fact I was not referring to a new depot or refurbs, there has been a lack of investment in new vehicles since 2014 regardless.
(29 Oct 2017, 4:04 pm)Malarkey Take away the fact I was not referring to a new depot or refurbs, there has been a lack of investment in new vehicles since 2014 regardless.
(29 Oct 2017, 5:50 pm)mb134 Between 2009 and 2015, Arriva bought a total of 328 brand new vehicles for the NE fleet.
In 2016, the second oldest set of vehicles in the fleet, the Y-EBR Lowlanders, were replaced by 55-plate Volvo B7TLs from London, only 10 years of age at the time. ALL of these were treated to a full interior refurbishment with, correct me if I'm wrong, USB charging, high backed e-leather seating and WiFi.
Now, look at the Arriva fleetlist and tell me where massive investment is needed in brand new vehicles. The B10BLEs will likely go next year, but even so they are still smart internally due to their refurbishment in 2011(?), but only this year did they reach typical "end of life" for a single deck - hell, First are re-trimming and repainting their Y-reg examples in Aberdeen.
Arriva aren't going to splash out millions ever year on brand new vehicles when they don't need to. Same applies with Go North East and Stagecoach.
(29 Oct 2017, 5:50 pm)mb134 Between 2009 and 2015, Arriva bought a total of 328 brand new vehicles for the NE fleet.
In 2016, the second oldest set of vehicles in the fleet, the Y-EBR Lowlanders, were replaced by 55-plate Volvo B7TLs from London, only 10 years of age at the time. ALL of these were treated to a full interior refurbishment with, correct me if I'm wrong, USB charging, high backed e-leather seating and WiFi.
Now, look at the Arriva fleetlist and tell me where massive investment is needed in brand new vehicles. The B10BLEs will likely go next year, but even so they are still smart internally due to their refurbishment in 2011(?), but only this year did they reach typical "end of life" for a single deck - hell, First are re-trimming and repainting their Y-reg examples in Aberdeen.
Arriva aren't going to splash out millions ever year on brand new vehicles when they don't need to. Same applies with Go North East and Stagecoach.
(29 Oct 2017, 5:50 pm)mb134 Between 2009 and 2015, Arriva bought a total of 313 brand new vehicles for the NE fleet.
In 2016, the second oldest set of vehicles in the fleet, the Y-EBR Lowlanders, were replaced by 55-plate Volvo B7TLs from London, only 10 years of age at the time. ALL of these were treated to a full interior refurbishment with, correct me if I'm wrong, USB charging, high backed e-leather seating and WiFi.
Now, look at the Arriva fleetlist and tell me where massive investment is needed in brand new vehicles. The B10BLEs will likely go next year, but even so they are still smart internally due to their refurbishment in 2011(?), but only this year did they reach typical "end of life" for a single deck - hell, First are re-trimming and repainting their Y-reg examples in Aberdeen.
Arriva aren't going to splash out millions ever year on brand new vehicles when they don't need to. Same applies with Go North East and Stagecoach.
(29 Oct 2017, 5:50 pm)mb134 Between 2009 and 2015, Arriva bought a total of 313 brand new vehicles for the NE fleet.
In 2016, the second oldest set of vehicles in the fleet, the Y-EBR Lowlanders, were replaced by 55-plate Volvo B7TLs from London, only 10 years of age at the time. ALL of these were treated to a full interior refurbishment with, correct me if I'm wrong, USB charging, high backed e-leather seating and WiFi.
Now, look at the Arriva fleetlist and tell me where massive investment is needed in brand new vehicles. The B10BLEs will likely go next year, but even so they are still smart internally due to their refurbishment in 2011(?), but only this year did they reach typical "end of life" for a single deck - hell, First are re-trimming and repainting their Y-reg examples in Aberdeen.
Arriva aren't going to splash out millions ever year on brand new vehicles when they don't need to. Same applies with Go North East and Stagecoach.
(29 Oct 2017, 6:21 pm)Malarkey Replacing the Scania Omnicities at Darlington, it's well documented how unreliable they are, given a vehicle a refurb and a lick of paint isn't going to improve reliability of a service now is it, I would also look at putting the Ex London B7 Geminis into a reserve role, rather than on a front line express service like the X20.
The services that I noted as part of my original post I do feel would benefit from new vehicles, the X12 being a good example given the fact Go North East are rumoured to be getting new vehicles for the 21 in the next month or so.
(29 Oct 2017, 6:21 pm)Malarkey Replacing the Scania Omnicities at Darlington, it's well documented how unreliable they are, given a vehicle a refurb and a lick of paint isn't going to improve reliability of a service now is it, I would also look at putting the Ex London B7 Geminis into a reserve role, rather than on a front line express service like the X20.
The services that I noted as part of my original post I do feel would benefit from new vehicles, the X12 being a good example given the fact Go North East are rumoured to be getting new vehicles for the 21 in the next month or so.