PVR requirements and workings
PVR requirements and workings
(25 May 2023, 3:07 pm)Unber43 Whats the PVR of the GNE 8?
(25 May 2023, 3:07 pm)Unber43 Whats the PVR of the GNE 8?
(26 May 2023, 4:00 am)Dan Technically, just 4 in the weekday peak (but off-peak and Saturdays, 6).65 does the same with the 861 (tho I don't know why it couldn't start at Hetten and continue to Durham whereas now it runs dead straight onto the 20A.
Go North East has recently reinstated the full frequency around schools. One bus drops out to do the 28S at school times, another drops out to do the 4.
It’s a smarter, more cost-effective, way of introducing the full frequency at the lowest possible cost - though clearly this does mean a lower frequency is provided during the weekday morning peak (where schools requirement clashes with high demand on the local network).
I wonder if this could be done anywhere else on the network?
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(26 May 2023, 4:00 am)Dan Technically, just 4 in the weekday peak (but off-peak and Saturdays, 6).65 does the same with the 861 (tho I don't know why it couldn't start at Hetten and continue to Durham whereas now it runs dead straight onto the 20A.
Go North East has recently reinstated the full frequency around schools. One bus drops out to do the 28S at school times, another drops out to do the 4.
It’s a smarter, more cost-effective, way of introducing the full frequency at the lowest possible cost - though clearly this does mean a lower frequency is provided during the weekday morning peak (where schools requirement clashes with high demand on the local network).
I wonder if this could be done anywhere else on the network?
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(26 May 2023, 4:00 am)Dan Technically, just 4 in the weekday peak (but off-peak and Saturdays, 6).
Go North East has recently reinstated the full frequency around schools. One bus drops out to do the 28S at school times, another drops out to do the 4.
It’s a smarter, more cost-effective, way of introducing the full frequency at the lowest possible cost - though clearly this does mean a lower frequency is provided during the weekday morning peak (where schools requirement clashes with high demand on the local network).
I wonder if this could be done anywhere else on the network?
(26 May 2023, 4:00 am)Dan Technically, just 4 in the weekday peak (but off-peak and Saturdays, 6).
Go North East has recently reinstated the full frequency around schools. One bus drops out to do the 28S at school times, another drops out to do the 4.
It’s a smarter, more cost-effective, way of introducing the full frequency at the lowest possible cost - though clearly this does mean a lower frequency is provided during the weekday morning peak (where schools requirement clashes with high demand on the local network).
I wonder if this could be done anywhere else on the network?
(26 May 2023, 6:41 am)Jimmi I can certainly see more of this happening across the board, Arriva are going further down this route again with the 23 losing trips to enable the buses to work the East Durham College contracts in the upcoming timetable changes, service 8A between Ferryhill and Spennymoor being another which will supposedly help to keep this service viable. Arriva have done this in the past in Durham when the likes of the 43 and 56 had dropouts for Durham Johnston School contracts.
(26 May 2023, 6:41 am)Jimmi I can certainly see more of this happening across the board, Arriva are going further down this route again with the 23 losing trips to enable the buses to work the East Durham College contracts in the upcoming timetable changes, service 8A between Ferryhill and Spennymoor being another which will supposedly help to keep this service viable. Arriva have done this in the past in Durham when the likes of the 43 and 56 had dropouts for Durham Johnston School contracts.
(26 May 2023, 9:14 am)Storx Stagecoach has done it for years with 3, 4, 12 and 13 in Sunderland and 22 in Newcastle aswell.
Both run their full route in or out of the city at peak times then drop onto the X1 or 22X from Doxford Park or Cobalt respectively.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it work on more of the Newcastle / Sunderland routes where they're very busy in one direction but dead in the other direction at peak times.
The 39/39A with GNE could be a good route for it with shorts running in the peak doing Doxford Park to Sunderland on the 39 route then dropping onto the X20 then dropping back onto another short 39 and repeat.
I'm surprised there isn't more peak boards ie. a 7.30am peak from Stanley for example which then drops onto a school bus board before going for maintenance for 4 hours then dropping on the later school board and doing the return journey. I believe it's what the X30 does at Ashington nowadays and provides needed peak journeys and a drop during the day when they're most dead.
(26 May 2023, 9:14 am)Storx Stagecoach has done it for years with 3, 4, 12 and 13 in Sunderland and 22 in Newcastle aswell.
Both run their full route in or out of the city at peak times then drop onto the X1 or 22X from Doxford Park or Cobalt respectively.
I wouldn't be surprised to see it work on more of the Newcastle / Sunderland routes where they're very busy in one direction but dead in the other direction at peak times.
The 39/39A with GNE could be a good route for it with shorts running in the peak doing Doxford Park to Sunderland on the 39 route then dropping onto the X20 then dropping back onto another short 39 and repeat.
I'm surprised there isn't more peak boards ie. a 7.30am peak from Stanley for example which then drops onto a school bus board before going for maintenance for 4 hours then dropping on the later school board and doing the return journey. I believe it's what the X30 does at Ashington nowadays and provides needed peak journeys and a drop during the day when they're most dead.
(25 May 2023, 3:07 pm)Unber43 Whats the PVR of the GNE 8?PVR looks to be 4 according to bustimes.org - 6 buses to run the timetable but with two buses dropping in/out to do schools on the 28S and 4.
(25 May 2023, 3:07 pm)Unber43 Whats the PVR of the GNE 8?PVR looks to be 4 according to bustimes.org - 6 buses to run the timetable but with two buses dropping in/out to do schools on the 28S and 4.
(26 May 2023, 6:22 pm)busmanT PVR looks to be 4 according to bustimes.org - 6 buses to run the timetable but with two buses dropping in/out to do schools on the 28S and 4.When talking about PVR - does PVR mean the maximum number of vehicles needed to run over a sustained period of time or just the number needed during the M-F peaks? If it's the former, then surely the PVR of the 8 is 6 - as the 2 buses that drop out to do school runs are only for a few hours in the morning/afternoon, whereas most of the day (and on Saturdays) it's 6...
5367 and 5399 were the two that did schools around the 8 today
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/gnel-5399?date=2023-05-26
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/gnel-5367?date=2023-05-26
(26 May 2023, 6:22 pm)busmanT PVR looks to be 4 according to bustimes.org - 6 buses to run the timetable but with two buses dropping in/out to do schools on the 28S and 4.When talking about PVR - does PVR mean the maximum number of vehicles needed to run over a sustained period of time or just the number needed during the M-F peaks? If it's the former, then surely the PVR of the 8 is 6 - as the 2 buses that drop out to do school runs are only for a few hours in the morning/afternoon, whereas most of the day (and on Saturdays) it's 6...
5367 and 5399 were the two that did schools around the 8 today
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/gnel-5399?date=2023-05-26
https://bustimes.org/vehicles/gnel-5367?date=2023-05-26
(27 May 2023, 8:52 pm)Adtrainsam When talking about PVR - does PVR mean the maximum number of vehicles needed to run over a sustained period of time or just the number needed during the M-F peaks? If it's the former, then surely the PVR of the 8 is 6 - as the 2 buses that drop out to do school runs are only for a few hours in the morning/afternoon, whereas most of the day (and on Saturdays) it's 6...PVR = Peak Vehicle Requirement
(27 May 2023, 8:52 pm)Adtrainsam When talking about PVR - does PVR mean the maximum number of vehicles needed to run over a sustained period of time or just the number needed during the M-F peaks? If it's the former, then surely the PVR of the 8 is 6 - as the 2 buses that drop out to do school runs are only for a few hours in the morning/afternoon, whereas most of the day (and on Saturdays) it's 6...PVR = Peak Vehicle Requirement
