Strikes? , Closures?, what would you do and why?
Strikes? , Closures?, what would you do and why?
Thought i'd post a thread, to save the GNE thread about the strike from getting clogged up with stuff, and as the following question covers potentially a range of answers i've posted it here
So the question is
Strikes?, Closures?, What would you do and why?, wether it be close depots, resolve the strikes, take over routes, i'd like to hear your answers
(28 Oct 2023, 11:48 am)V514DFT Thought i'd post a thread, to save the GNE thread about the strike from getting clogged up with stuff, and as the following question covers potentially a range of answers i've posted it here
So the question is
Strikes?, Closures?, What would you do and why?, wether it be close depots, resolve the strikes, take over routes, i'd like to hear your answers
(28 Oct 2023, 11:48 am)V514DFT Thought i'd post a thread, to save the GNE thread about the strike from getting clogged up with stuff, and as the following question covers potentially a range of answers i've posted it here
So the question is
Strikes?, Closures?, What would you do and why?, wether it be close depots, resolve the strikes, take over routes, i'd like to hear your answers
Since we’re going to get a centre left or left wing Metro Mayor with I’d enforce a colleague contract with minimum obligations on both sides
A colleague forum which is consulted and engaged on key decisions (keyword consulted and engaged not running the show but more than tokenism)
Agreed working practices and hours, a set living wage
Basic as that. Value your colleagues and they will return the favour. Basically do the opposite of Bensham (of which every single manager would be sacked (based on independent review) or if potential is seen, retrained up to a minimum people management standard with a CIPD qualification in all areas (from engineering to the top)
(28 Oct 2023, 7:31 pm)Ambassador Since we’re going to get a centre left or left wing Metro Mayor with I’d enforce a colleague contract with minimum obligations on both sides
A colleague forum which is consulted and engaged on key decisions (keyword consulted and engaged not running the show but more than tokenism)
Agreed working practices and hours, a set living wage
Basic as that. Value your colleagues and they will return the favour. Basically do the opposite of Bensham (of which every single manager would be sacked (based on independent review) or if potential is seen, retrained up to a minimum people management standard with a CIPD qualification in all areas (from engineering to the top)
(28 Oct 2023, 7:31 pm)Ambassador Since we’re going to get a centre left or left wing Metro Mayor with I’d enforce a colleague contract with minimum obligations on both sides
A colleague forum which is consulted and engaged on key decisions (keyword consulted and engaged not running the show but more than tokenism)
Agreed working practices and hours, a set living wage
Basic as that. Value your colleagues and they will return the favour. Basically do the opposite of Bensham (of which every single manager would be sacked (based on independent review) or if potential is seen, retrained up to a minimum people management standard with a CIPD qualification in all areas (from engineering to the top)
(28 Oct 2023, 11:24 pm)Unber43 Consett had the best network going after the Sept 2021 changes.
The only thing I would change is the 47 one went to Castleside the other went to Shotley Bridge, and the X5 went to Castleside and X15 went to Shotley Bridge I think that would have been better.
Aswell I was out early, and I was thinking with ISquared taking over Arriva, when Arriva goes in for pay negotations it could either go one way DB not wanting to talk at all, or they just give them whatever they want as theyll only be in control for maybe 6 months, however if they do the former and the drivers go out on a walk out, it might give GNE or SCNE (presumably GNE solve their dispute) to maybe purchase a depot from Arriva as they dont care theyve just sold the company, they dont want to pay their workers anymore, sell Belmont or Blyth/Ashington to GNE/SCNE make some money.
Also it is intresting that the amount of people learning to drive is reducing year upon year and that is going to have to lead to more use in public transport, that change hast to start now in crafting a network which is good, I would say pre-Sept 2021 changes GNE network was one of the best its ever been atleast in the past 10 years, they really tried, but I no one knew about it really. No one looks oooo lets see whats happening on Go North East, they need to market, I remember DAn sayign there was a big marketing push when Driver Shortage was over in the East Gateshead area, look how taht is now its only the EG Rider left.
And I think thats something else Branding, its unique to GNE yes, its perhaps not needed but it gives a route an identity, I cannot believe what happened to the Loops, there was no need to brand then East Gateshead Loop considering they spend half their time in west gateshead, same with the Orbits. Branding is something that should stay in my opinion but for it to work you need a solid network, just look at the failures with S&D.
For me most services should be branded...I know this is unpopular but I think the only services which should be unbranded is
25 (PVR 2)
34 (maybe, it does get busy)
41/41A (too many changes in NT)
99 (contracted runs 4 each day each way)
most few daily contracted services aswell
Why not brand the 701/702/703 - Chester-Le-Street Town Services.
Go back to old branding Simplicity, Silver Arrows, CityLink (58/57), no need for EG. Just the nromal Loop. for heaven sakes the Drifters flagship route has had no TLC for 10 years. Also the NTR what a joke "look out for a purple bus" theres more red and blue ones than purple, when theyre runnig that is, infact theyre the only service running and you see more coasters on them I mean FFS
But for branding to mean something you have focus on it, it means not allocating routes everywhere, it means sticking to spares being the 2019 lvieries buses only, no Prince Bishops popping up on the 700, or 60's spending more time in South tyneside. And the buses have to reliabile i mean just look at the state of the TVT, and there are going to be no new buses for years just old awful ex-london spec with rock hard seats, no USBs or anything, nothing to make people feel a reason to get the bus, "oh i can get a charge" "oh we can get a table" and I know that was one of my reasons to get the bus, but especially with the unreability of the fleet and the ex-london buses which are awful inside and wouldnt want to go on them.
(28 Oct 2023, 11:24 pm)Unber43 Consett had the best network going after the Sept 2021 changes.
The only thing I would change is the 47 one went to Castleside the other went to Shotley Bridge, and the X5 went to Castleside and X15 went to Shotley Bridge I think that would have been better.
Aswell I was out early, and I was thinking with ISquared taking over Arriva, when Arriva goes in for pay negotations it could either go one way DB not wanting to talk at all, or they just give them whatever they want as theyll only be in control for maybe 6 months, however if they do the former and the drivers go out on a walk out, it might give GNE or SCNE (presumably GNE solve their dispute) to maybe purchase a depot from Arriva as they dont care theyve just sold the company, they dont want to pay their workers anymore, sell Belmont or Blyth/Ashington to GNE/SCNE make some money.
Also it is intresting that the amount of people learning to drive is reducing year upon year and that is going to have to lead to more use in public transport, that change hast to start now in crafting a network which is good, I would say pre-Sept 2021 changes GNE network was one of the best its ever been atleast in the past 10 years, they really tried, but I no one knew about it really. No one looks oooo lets see whats happening on Go North East, they need to market, I remember DAn sayign there was a big marketing push when Driver Shortage was over in the East Gateshead area, look how taht is now its only the EG Rider left.
And I think thats something else Branding, its unique to GNE yes, its perhaps not needed but it gives a route an identity, I cannot believe what happened to the Loops, there was no need to brand then East Gateshead Loop considering they spend half their time in west gateshead, same with the Orbits. Branding is something that should stay in my opinion but for it to work you need a solid network, just look at the failures with S&D.
For me most services should be branded...I know this is unpopular but I think the only services which should be unbranded is
25 (PVR 2)
34 (maybe, it does get busy)
41/41A (too many changes in NT)
99 (contracted runs 4 each day each way)
most few daily contracted services aswell
Why not brand the 701/702/703 - Chester-Le-Street Town Services.
Go back to old branding Simplicity, Silver Arrows, CityLink (58/57), no need for EG. Just the nromal Loop. for heaven sakes the Drifters flagship route has had no TLC for 10 years. Also the NTR what a joke "look out for a purple bus" theres more red and blue ones than purple, when theyre runnig that is, infact theyre the only service running and you see more coasters on them I mean FFS
But for branding to mean something you have focus on it, it means not allocating routes everywhere, it means sticking to spares being the 2019 lvieries buses only, no Prince Bishops popping up on the 700, or 60's spending more time in South tyneside. And the buses have to reliabile i mean just look at the state of the TVT, and there are going to be no new buses for years just old awful ex-london spec with rock hard seats, no USBs or anything, nothing to make people feel a reason to get the bus, "oh i can get a charge" "oh we can get a table" and I know that was one of my reasons to get the bus, but especially with the unreability of the fleet and the ex-london buses which are awful inside and wouldnt want to go on them.
(28 Oct 2023, 7:39 pm)Unber43 Threaten GNE to remove all their contracts, they might rush back to the table as when they do meet a deal theyll have lost shit tonnes of work
(28 Oct 2023, 7:39 pm)Unber43 Threaten GNE to remove all their contracts, they might rush back to the table as when they do meet a deal theyll have lost shit tonnes of work
(29 Oct 2023, 8:24 am)busmanT I suspect that GNE will be happy to have contracts removed, they certainly won't be able to run them profitably if they give a pay rise of 10% plus - Local Authorities only increase contract prices by CPI so all GNE's Nexus, Northumberland and Durham contracts will be less profitable (if not loss making).
With pay rates of at least £14.15 per hour I doubt they'll be winning many contracts in future either.
I foresee GNE with a much smaller fleet, depot footprint and workforce come this time next year.
(29 Oct 2023, 8:24 am)busmanT I suspect that GNE will be happy to have contracts removed, they certainly won't be able to run them profitably if they give a pay rise of 10% plus - Local Authorities only increase contract prices by CPI so all GNE's Nexus, Northumberland and Durham contracts will be less profitable (if not loss making).
With pay rates of at least £14.15 per hour I doubt they'll be winning many contracts in future either.
I foresee GNE with a much smaller fleet, depot footprint and workforce come this time next year.
(28 Oct 2023, 7:31 pm)Ambassador Since we’re going to get a centre left or left wing Metro Mayor with I’d enforce a colleague contract with minimum obligations on both sides
A colleague forum which is consulted and engaged on key decisions (keyword consulted and engaged not running the show but more than tokenism)
Agreed working practices and hours, a set living wage
Basic as that. Value your colleagues and they will return the favour. Basically do the opposite of Bensham (of which every single manager would be sacked (based on independent review) or if potential is seen, retrained up to a minimum people management standard with a CIPD qualification in all areas (from engineering to the top)
(28 Oct 2023, 7:31 pm)Ambassador Since we’re going to get a centre left or left wing Metro Mayor with I’d enforce a colleague contract with minimum obligations on both sides
A colleague forum which is consulted and engaged on key decisions (keyword consulted and engaged not running the show but more than tokenism)
Agreed working practices and hours, a set living wage
Basic as that. Value your colleagues and they will return the favour. Basically do the opposite of Bensham (of which every single manager would be sacked (based on independent review) or if potential is seen, retrained up to a minimum people management standard with a CIPD qualification in all areas (from engineering to the top)
(29 Oct 2023, 8:24 am)busmanT I suspect that GNE will be happy to have contracts removed, they certainly won't be able to run them profitably if they give a pay rise of 10% plus - Local Authorities only increase contract prices by CPI so all GNE's Nexus, Northumberland and Durham contracts will be less profitable (if not loss making).
With pay rates of at least £14.15 per hour I doubt they'll be winning many contracts in future either.
I foresee GNE with a much smaller fleet, depot footprint and workforce come this time next year.
(29 Oct 2023, 8:24 am)busmanT I suspect that GNE will be happy to have contracts removed, they certainly won't be able to run them profitably if they give a pay rise of 10% plus - Local Authorities only increase contract prices by CPI so all GNE's Nexus, Northumberland and Durham contracts will be less profitable (if not loss making).
With pay rates of at least £14.15 per hour I doubt they'll be winning many contracts in future either.
I foresee GNE with a much smaller fleet, depot footprint and workforce come this time next year.
Personally i see GNE being royaly screwed after this, running a loss, second hand tatty vehicles, even newer vehicles falling apart, its hardly going to give off the impression "please travel with us", Arriva wont want the 335, 351-355 , or 359 as it was them that got rid of them, which leaves Stagecoach
335 is a funny one so i'll leave this one upto you guys
351 may survive
352 withdrawn replaced with the 37 or 37 withdrawn and 352 kept increased to every 30
353 may survive if increased to every 30
354 will probably go back to the current 54 on Sundays, New York- North Shields withdrawn
355 withdrawn and replaced with the 38 in part 38A introduced full time to replace remainder of it (perhaps)
359 withdrawn
(29 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm)V514DFT Personally i see GNE being royaly screwed after this, running a loss, second hand tatty vehicles, even newer vehicles falling apart, its hardly going to give off the impression "please travel with us", Arriva wont want the 335, 351-355 , or 359 as it was them that got rid of them, which leaves Stagecoach
335 is a funny one so i'll leave this one upto you guys
351 may survive
352 withdrawn replaced with the 37 or 37 withdrawn and 352 kept increased to every 30
353 may survive if increased to every 30
354 will probably go back to the current 54 on Sundays, New York- North Shields withdrawn
355 withdrawn and replaced with the 38 in part 38A introduced full time to replace remainder of it (perhaps)
359 withdrawn
(29 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm)V514DFT Personally i see GNE being royaly screwed after this, running a loss, second hand tatty vehicles, even newer vehicles falling apart, its hardly going to give off the impression "please travel with us", Arriva wont want the 335, 351-355 , or 359 as it was them that got rid of them, which leaves Stagecoach
335 is a funny one so i'll leave this one upto you guys
351 may survive
352 withdrawn replaced with the 37 or 37 withdrawn and 352 kept increased to every 30
353 may survive if increased to every 30
354 will probably go back to the current 54 on Sundays, New York- North Shields withdrawn
355 withdrawn and replaced with the 38 in part 38A introduced full time to replace remainder of it (perhaps)
359 withdrawn
(29 Oct 2023, 8:24 am)busmanT I suspect that GNE will be happy to have contracts removed, they certainly won't be able to run them profitably if they give a pay rise of 10% plus - Local Authorities only increase contract prices by CPI so all GNE's Nexus, Northumberland and Durham contracts will be less profitable (if not loss making).
With pay rates of at least £14.15 per hour I doubt they'll be winning many contracts in future either.
I foresee GNE with a much smaller fleet, depot footprint and workforce come this time next year.
(29 Oct 2023, 8:24 am)busmanT I suspect that GNE will be happy to have contracts removed, they certainly won't be able to run them profitably if they give a pay rise of 10% plus - Local Authorities only increase contract prices by CPI so all GNE's Nexus, Northumberland and Durham contracts will be less profitable (if not loss making).
With pay rates of at least £14.15 per hour I doubt they'll be winning many contracts in future either.
I foresee GNE with a much smaller fleet, depot footprint and workforce come this time next year.
(29 Oct 2023, 2:26 pm)Thomas12 Are Gateshead Central Taxis not paying around £14 per hour, yet they seem to have a lot of contracts.I think to compete with GCT for contracts, the wonderful accounting team at Southeastern would have to be seconded to Go North East in order to be in with a chance....allegedly.
(29 Oct 2023, 2:26 pm)Thomas12 Are Gateshead Central Taxis not paying around £14 per hour, yet they seem to have a lot of contracts.I think to compete with GCT for contracts, the wonderful accounting team at Southeastern would have to be seconded to Go North East in order to be in with a chance....allegedly.
(28 Oct 2023, 8:27 pm)Andreos1 CIPD means naff all in the grand scheme of things.
It's a couple of letters that doesn't change a culture or the personality of the organisation.
Imo it carries as much weight as a bus industry back patting award.
It might look good. But it means nothing.
The only thing that could fix bus operations in the NE (and beyond) is a huge sweeping brush. The biggest sweeping brush you've ever seen and once the floor is clean, then they can start from the bottom up.
People often talk about football clubs being rotten to the core. Managers come and go, yet the same issues persist.
(28 Oct 2023, 8:27 pm)Andreos1 CIPD means naff all in the grand scheme of things.
It's a couple of letters that doesn't change a culture or the personality of the organisation.
Imo it carries as much weight as a bus industry back patting award.
It might look good. But it means nothing.
The only thing that could fix bus operations in the NE (and beyond) is a huge sweeping brush. The biggest sweeping brush you've ever seen and once the floor is clean, then they can start from the bottom up.
People often talk about football clubs being rotten to the core. Managers come and go, yet the same issues persist.
(29 Oct 2023, 2:26 pm)Thomas12 Are Gateshead Central Taxis not paying around £14 per hour, yet they seem to have a lot of contracts.
(29 Oct 2023, 2:26 pm)Thomas12 Are Gateshead Central Taxis not paying around £14 per hour, yet they seem to have a lot of contracts.
(29 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm)V514DFT Personally i see GNE being royaly screwed after this, running a loss, second hand tatty vehicles, even newer vehicles falling apart, its hardly going to give off the impression "please travel with us", Arriva wont want the 335, 351-355 , or 359 as it was them that got rid of them, which leaves StagecoachBy no means a service suggestion (before anyone jumps to move it) but if GNE were to axe anything....
335 is a funny one so i'll leave this one upto you guys
351 may survive
352 withdrawn replaced with the 37 or 37 withdrawn and 352 kept increased to every 30
353 may survive if increased to every 30
354 will probably go back to the current 54 on Sundays, New York- North Shields withdrawn
355 withdrawn and replaced with the 38 in part 38A introduced full time to replace remainder of it (perhaps)
359 withdrawn
(29 Oct 2023, 1:23 pm)V514DFT Personally i see GNE being royaly screwed after this, running a loss, second hand tatty vehicles, even newer vehicles falling apart, its hardly going to give off the impression "please travel with us", Arriva wont want the 335, 351-355 , or 359 as it was them that got rid of them, which leaves StagecoachBy no means a service suggestion (before anyone jumps to move it) but if GNE were to axe anything....
335 is a funny one so i'll leave this one upto you guys
351 may survive
352 withdrawn replaced with the 37 or 37 withdrawn and 352 kept increased to every 30
353 may survive if increased to every 30
354 will probably go back to the current 54 on Sundays, New York- North Shields withdrawn
355 withdrawn and replaced with the 38 in part 38A introduced full time to replace remainder of it (perhaps)
359 withdrawn
