Subsidised Routes
Subsidised Routes
Seen someone done a freedom of request to the councils about subsidised routes and there appears to a few extra routes appeared on the list pretty much exclusively to GoNorthEast but to summary all these routes have a subsidy in some of form now from Nexus, Durham or Northumberland Councils.
Arriva (Durham if not mentioned)
1, 5, 6, 8, 22, 24, 43, 48, 49, 56, 58, 64, X22, X75, X14 (ANU), X15 (ANU), X18 (ANU), 57A (ANU)
GoNorthEast
1, 351, 353, 41/41A, 91, 57, 84, 85, 35, 35A, 39A, 39B, 79, 81, 82, 83, 93, 94, X30, X31, Q3, 5, 5A, 9, 24, 26, 50, 51, 52, 39, X45, 96, 49, 49A, 12, 47, 27, 10A, 8, 8A, 6, 15, 20, 34, 60, 65, 78, 16, 16A, Peterlee Locals, 28, 29, 61, 61A, V1, V2, V4, V5, X15, X72, Hexham Locals, AD122, 74
Stagecoach
317, 18, 553, 32, 32A, 35, 62, X78, 8, 12, 10, 11
From - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2383925, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2399914 and https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/1...sthrough=1
Obviously I could jump straight into the middle bit but I'll be positive and say it's quite impressive how little of the Arriva Northumbria and Stagecoach network is subsidised really. I always thought that more of would be subsidised in some way, especially in South Shields and the 1, 2, 35, 44 and 45 with Arriva - an early or late Sunday journey etc.
PS. Whoever done the FOI fair play, as I believe they've been done the last time we were talking about these on here.
(02 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm)Storx Seen someone done a freedom of request to the councils about subsidised routes and there appears to a few extra routes appeared on the list pretty much exclusively to GoNorthEast but to summary all these routes have a subsidy in some of form now from Nexus, Durham or Northumberland Councils.
Arriva (Durham if not mentioned)
1, 5, 6, 8, 22, 24, 43, 48, 49, 56, 58, 64, X22, X75, X14 (ANU), X15 (ANU), X18 (ANU), 57A (ANU)
GoNorthEast
1, 351, 353, 41/41A, 91, 57, 84, 85, 35, 35A, 39A, 39B, 79, 81, 82, 83, 93, 94, X30, X31, Q3, 5, 5A, 9, 24, 26, 50, 51, 52, 39, X45, 96, 49, 49A, 12, 47, 27, 10A, 8, 8A, 6, 15, 20, 34, 60, 65, 78, 16, 16A, Peterlee Locals, 28, 29, 61, 61A, V1, V2, V4, V5, X15, X72, Hexham Locals, AD122, 74
Stagecoach
317, 18, 553, 32, 32A, 35, 62, X78, 8, 12, 10, 11
From - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2383925, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2399914 and https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/1...sthrough=1
Obviously I could jump straight into the middle bit but I'll be positive and say it's quite impressive how little of the Arriva Northumbria and Stagecoach network is subsidised really. I always thought that more of would be subsidised in some way, especially in South Shields and the 1, 2, 35, 44 and 45 with Arriva - an early or late Sunday journey etc.
PS. Whoever done the FOI fair play, as I believe they've been done the last time we were talking about these on here.
(02 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm)Storx Seen someone done a freedom of request to the councils about subsidised routes and there appears to a few extra routes appeared on the list pretty much exclusively to GoNorthEast but to summary all these routes have a subsidy in some of form now from Nexus, Durham or Northumberland Councils.
Arriva (Durham if not mentioned)
1, 5, 6, 8, 22, 24, 43, 48, 49, 56, 58, 64, X22, X75, X14 (ANU), X15 (ANU), X18 (ANU), 57A (ANU)
GoNorthEast
1, 351, 353, 41/41A, 91, 57, 84, 85, 35, 35A, 39A, 39B, 79, 81, 82, 83, 93, 94, X30, X31, Q3, 5, 5A, 9, 24, 26, 50, 51, 52, 39, X45, 96, 49, 49A, 12, 47, 27, 10A, 8, 8A, 6, 15, 20, 34, 60, 65, 78, 16, 16A, Peterlee Locals, 28, 29, 61, 61A, V1, V2, V4, V5, X15, X72, Hexham Locals, AD122, 74
Stagecoach
317, 18, 553, 32, 32A, 35, 62, X78, 8, 12, 10, 11
From - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2383925, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2399914 and https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/1...sthrough=1
Obviously I could jump straight into the middle bit but I'll be positive and say it's quite impressive how little of the Arriva Northumbria and Stagecoach network is subsidised really. I always thought that more of would be subsidised in some way, especially in South Shields and the 1, 2, 35, 44 and 45 with Arriva - an early or late Sunday journey etc.
PS. Whoever done the FOI fair play, as I believe they've been done the last time we were talking about these on here.
(02 Nov 2023, 5:04 pm)DeltaMan A-Line and JH Coaches getting paid more than GNE for a boat load of scholars. No wonder Bensham is a mess!
(02 Nov 2023, 5:04 pm)DeltaMan A-Line and JH Coaches getting paid more than GNE for a boat load of scholars. No wonder Bensham is a mess!
(02 Nov 2023, 5:01 pm)ifm001 Yeah in South Shields, i may be wrong hut im sure 1, 2 are Nexus, 12 , 18, 30 and X20 all evenings and possibly Sundays and also the fully Nexus 516.
(02 Nov 2023, 5:01 pm)ifm001 Yeah in South Shields, i may be wrong hut im sure 1, 2 are Nexus, 12 , 18, 30 and X20 all evenings and possibly Sundays and also the fully Nexus 516.
(02 Nov 2023, 5:13 pm)Storx Don't think they are, they're not on the list if they are. Only the 10/11 (North Shields assume), 12 and 516 are on the list and two 8's which could be either a double for the Sunderland one or one Sunderland, one South Shields. I thought there was more aswell though, seems like they must've took it on commercially. I know there used to be early subsidises on the Arriva 44/45 aswell but they've gone aswell.
(02 Nov 2023, 5:13 pm)Storx Don't think they are, they're not on the list if they are. Only the 10/11 (North Shields assume), 12 and 516 are on the list and two 8's which could be either a double for the Sunderland one or one Sunderland, one South Shields. I thought there was more aswell though, seems like they must've took it on commercially. I know there used to be early subsidises on the Arriva 44/45 aswell but they've gone aswell.
(02 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm)Storx Seen someone done a freedom of request to the councils about subsidised routes and there appears to a few extra routes appeared on the list pretty much exclusively to GoNorthEast but to summary all these routes have a subsidy in some of form now from Nexus, Durham or Northumberland Councils.
Arriva (Durham if not mentioned)
1, 5, 6, 8, 22, 24, 43, 48, 49, 56, 58, 64, X22, X75, X14 (ANU), X15 (ANU), X18 (ANU), 57A (ANU)
GoNorthEast
1, 351, 353, 41/41A, 91, 57, 84, 85, 35, 35A, 39A, 39B, 79, 81, 82, 83, 93, 94, X30, X31, Q3, 5, 5A, 9, 24, 26, 50, 51, 52, 39, X45, 96, 49, 49A, 12, 47, 27, 10A, 8, 8A, 6, 15, 20, 34, 60, 65, 78, 16, 16A, Peterlee Locals, 28, 29, 61, 61A, V1, V2, V4, V5, X15, X72, Hexham Locals, AD122, 74
Stagecoach
317, 18, 553, 32, 32A, 35, 62, X78, 8, 12, 10, 11
From - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2383925, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2399914 and https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/1...sthrough=1
Obviously I could jump straight into the middle bit but I'll be positive and say it's quite impressive how little of the Arriva Northumbria and Stagecoach network is subsidised really. I always thought that more of would be subsidised in some way, especially in South Shields and the 1, 2, 35, 44 and 45 with Arriva - an early or late Sunday journey etc.
PS. Whoever done the FOI fair play, as I believe they've been done the last time we were talking about these on here.
(02 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm)Storx Seen someone done a freedom of request to the councils about subsidised routes and there appears to a few extra routes appeared on the list pretty much exclusively to GoNorthEast but to summary all these routes have a subsidy in some of form now from Nexus, Durham or Northumberland Councils.
Arriva (Durham if not mentioned)
1, 5, 6, 8, 22, 24, 43, 48, 49, 56, 58, 64, X22, X75, X14 (ANU), X15 (ANU), X18 (ANU), 57A (ANU)
GoNorthEast
1, 351, 353, 41/41A, 91, 57, 84, 85, 35, 35A, 39A, 39B, 79, 81, 82, 83, 93, 94, X30, X31, Q3, 5, 5A, 9, 24, 26, 50, 51, 52, 39, X45, 96, 49, 49A, 12, 47, 27, 10A, 8, 8A, 6, 15, 20, 34, 60, 65, 78, 16, 16A, Peterlee Locals, 28, 29, 61, 61A, V1, V2, V4, V5, X15, X72, Hexham Locals, AD122, 74
Stagecoach
317, 18, 553, 32, 32A, 35, 62, X78, 8, 12, 10, 11
From - https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2383925, https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/s...ng-2399914 and https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/1...sthrough=1
Obviously I could jump straight into the middle bit but I'll be positive and say it's quite impressive how little of the Arriva Northumbria and Stagecoach network is subsidised really. I always thought that more of would be subsidised in some way, especially in South Shields and the 1, 2, 35, 44 and 45 with Arriva - an early or late Sunday journey etc.
PS. Whoever done the FOI fair play, as I believe they've been done the last time we were talking about these on here.
(02 Nov 2023, 5:44 pm)pbjd The 8 being there twice I believe is due to daytimes being a separate contract to evenings.
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(02 Nov 2023, 5:50 pm)V514DFT Whats the 15 you've got down in GNE?
(02 Nov 2023, 5:44 pm)pbjd The 8 being there twice I believe is due to daytimes being a separate contract to evenings.
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(02 Nov 2023, 5:50 pm)V514DFT Whats the 15 you've got down in GNE?
I think the Arriva Northumbria one will have changed recently with the BSIP introductions of the X16, Stannington 44, and an improved Morpeth to Cramlington 43.
On your point on being surprised on their 2 and 35 in particular, both are very busy services and I'd actually have been more surprised if they were receiving subsidies.
(02 Nov 2023, 6:39 pm)mb134 I think the Arriva Northumbria one will have changed recently with the BSIP introductions of the X16, Stannington 44, and an improved Morpeth to Cramlington 43.
On your point on being surprised on their 2 and 35 in particular, both are very busy services and I'd actually have been more surprised if they were receiving subsidies.
(02 Nov 2023, 6:39 pm)mb134 I think the Arriva Northumbria one will have changed recently with the BSIP introductions of the X16, Stannington 44, and an improved Morpeth to Cramlington 43.
On your point on being surprised on their 2 and 35 in particular, both are very busy services and I'd actually have been more surprised if they were receiving subsidies.
(02 Nov 2023, 6:39 pm)mb134 I think the Arriva Northumbria one will have changed recently with the BSIP introductions of the X16, Stannington 44, and an improved Morpeth to Cramlington 43.
On your point on being surprised on their 2 and 35 in particular, both are very busy services and I'd actually have been more surprised if they were receiving subsidies.
(02 Nov 2023, 6:39 pm)mb134 I think the Arriva Northumbria one will have changed recently with the BSIP introductions of the X16, Stannington 44, and an improved Morpeth to Cramlington 43.
On your point on being surprised on their 2 and 35 in particular, both are very busy services and I'd actually have been more surprised if they were receiving subsidies.
(02 Nov 2023, 6:54 pm)Dan And the 434 too for Arriva.Probs could bid on a few gne routes that get withdrawn or changed. Let's just hope March brings the 352 to a withdrawn close
We’re obviously seeing an increase in Stagecoach’s desire for contracted work too - see recent tenders in Teesside, service 59 to Durham, etc. They too will benefit from BSIP funding for the network.
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(02 Nov 2023, 6:54 pm)Dan And the 434 too for Arriva.Probs could bid on a few gne routes that get withdrawn or changed. Let's just hope March brings the 352 to a withdrawn close
We’re obviously seeing an increase in Stagecoach’s desire for contracted work too - see recent tenders in Teesside, service 59 to Durham, etc. They too will benefit from BSIP funding for the network.
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(02 Nov 2023, 6:54 pm)Dan And the 434 too for Arriva.
We’re obviously seeing an increase in Stagecoach’s desire for contracted work too - see recent tenders in Teesside, service 59 to Durham, etc. They too will benefit from BSIP funding for the network.
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(02 Nov 2023, 6:54 pm)Dan And the 434 too for Arriva.
We’re obviously seeing an increase in Stagecoach’s desire for contracted work too - see recent tenders in Teesside, service 59 to Durham, etc. They too will benefit from BSIP funding for the network.
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(02 Nov 2023, 7:02 pm)Aaron21 Probs could bid on a few gne routes that get withdrawn or changed. Let's just hope March brings the 352 to a withdrawn close
(02 Nov 2023, 7:35 pm)Dan Why would you hope for service reductions? What a ridiculous thing to have a desire for.
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(02 Nov 2023, 7:35 pm)Dan Why would you hope for service reductions? What a ridiculous thing to have a desire for.
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(02 Nov 2023, 7:35 pm)Dan Why would you hope for service reductions? What a ridiculous thing to have a desire for.
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(02 Nov 2023, 7:35 pm)Dan Why would you hope for service reductions? What a ridiculous thing to have a desire for.
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(02 Nov 2023, 11:22 pm)Andreos1 Offer him a job! He has 'Commercial Team' written all over him.
There's only him and the GNE commercial team seemingly 'in to' that sort of thing.
I've heard that some people offer bonuses and perks if you whisper 'service reductions' in to their right ear, whilst having the trousers of their left leg rolled up.
(02 Nov 2023, 11:22 pm)Andreos1 Offer him a job! He has 'Commercial Team' written all over him.
There's only him and the GNE commercial team seemingly 'in to' that sort of thing.
I've heard that some people offer bonuses and perks if you whisper 'service reductions' in to their right ear, whilst having the trousers of their left leg rolled up.
My main takeaway is that some of that is utterly unsustainable and classic Civil Service/Council spending mentality of just...fatty waste
(03 Nov 2023, 6:26 am)Dan Not sure he’d fit in these days.
Since January, haven’t we seen a constant increase in PVR and service levels at Go North East where the staffing position has allowed this? Barring the strike period, of course.
Looks to me that there’s been a different agenda this year, focused on growth and expansion.
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(03 Nov 2023, 6:26 am)Dan Not sure he’d fit in these days.
Since January, haven’t we seen a constant increase in PVR and service levels at Go North East where the staffing position has allowed this? Barring the strike period, of course.
Looks to me that there’s been a different agenda this year, focused on growth and expansion.
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(02 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm)Stor GoNorthEastI really hope there not getting paid for this? All the timetables should have a symbol if any of the journey is subsidised in any part. Used to happen a few year ago why not now?
1, 351, 353, 41/41A, 91, 57, 84, 85, 35, 35A, 39A, 39B, 79, 81, 82, 83, 93, 94, X30, X31, Q3, 5, 5A, 9, 24, 26, 50, 51, 52, 39, X45, 96, 49, 49A, 12, 47, 27, 10A, 8, 8A, 6, 15, 20, 34, 60, 65, 78, 16, 16A, Peterlee Locals, 28, 29, 61, 61A, V1, V2, V4, V5, X15, X72, Hexham Locals, AD122, 74
(02 Nov 2023, 3:03 pm)Stor GoNorthEastI really hope there not getting paid for this? All the timetables should have a symbol if any of the journey is subsidised in any part. Used to happen a few year ago why not now?
1, 351, 353, 41/41A, 91, 57, 84, 85, 35, 35A, 39A, 39B, 79, 81, 82, 83, 93, 94, X30, X31, Q3, 5, 5A, 9, 24, 26, 50, 51, 52, 39, X45, 96, 49, 49A, 12, 47, 27, 10A, 8, 8A, 6, 15, 20, 34, 60, 65, 78, 16, 16A, Peterlee Locals, 28, 29, 61, 61A, V1, V2, V4, V5, X15, X72, Hexham Locals, AD122, 74
