Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
Newly transferred to Redcar whitby
(22 Mar 2024, 10:50 pm)mb134 Can I shock you with the information that people get on the bus outside of Ashington and Newcastle? Guide Post, Bedlington, Newbiggin, Cramlington, Gosforth, Stakeford, Choppington, and Wansbeck Hospital aren't going to suddenly disappear.
While the service has been incredibly poor the past few weeks and people are rightly annoyed, the Conservatives have wrecked the country to the point that people who use the bus to commute likely have no other option financially - they aren't suddenly going to be able to get cars essentially.
(22 Mar 2024, 10:50 pm)mb134 Can I shock you with the information that people get on the bus outside of Ashington and Newcastle? Guide Post, Bedlington, Newbiggin, Cramlington, Gosforth, Stakeford, Choppington, and Wansbeck Hospital aren't going to suddenly disappear.
While the service has been incredibly poor the past few weeks and people are rightly annoyed, the Conservatives have wrecked the country to the point that people who use the bus to commute likely have no other option financially - they aren't suddenly going to be able to get cars essentially.
(22 Mar 2024, 11:43 pm)Storx Those places alone won't be sustainable for the frequencies currently though.
(22 Mar 2024, 11:43 pm)Storx Those places alone won't be sustainable for the frequencies currently though.
(23 Mar 2024, 12:00 am)mb134 Morpeth, a place with a population roughly half of Ashington, sustains a 15 minute express bus (journey time 33 mins) frequency to Newcastle while having a train service which takes just 14 minutes. I assume those services are simply full of passengers from economic hubs such as Felton, Longhorsley, Ulgham, Shilbottle, and Thropton?
(23 Mar 2024, 12:00 am)mb134 Morpeth, a place with a population roughly half of Ashington, sustains a 15 minute express bus (journey time 33 mins) frequency to Newcastle while having a train service which takes just 14 minutes. I assume those services are simply full of passengers from economic hubs such as Felton, Longhorsley, Ulgham, Shilbottle, and Thropton?
(22 Mar 2024, 10:50 pm)mb134 Can I shock you with the information that people get on the bus outside of Ashington and Newcastle? Guide Post, Bedlington, Newbiggin, Cramlington, Gosforth, Stakeford, Choppington, and Wansbeck Hospital aren't going to suddenly disappear.It's got axle problems nothing to do with maintenance I herd it's awaiting to get sent away to get sort it's spent it's hafe it's life on the x93 so u can expect ware and tare on the volvos
While the service has been incredibly poor the past few weeks and people are rightly annoyed, the Conservatives have wrecked the country to the point that people who use the bus to commute likely have no other option financially - they aren't suddenly going to be able to get cars essentially.
Pulsars have a lower capacity than the vehicles they're replacing, and also aren't capable of any of the X14/15/18 duties that 7578-81 have been used on. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Ashington are getting the short end of the stick here.
I have been on all of 7424-6 on the X93, and they performed okay. I do think they should be replaced. I don't think they should use buses which are needed in a separate part of the operation on demanding routes which are busy all year. Comprende?
You've told me that the failure of the vehicles is nothing to do with maintenance, yet have constantly ignored the fact that 7401 has been VOR for around a year with the same issue, and that buses were constantly sent out last year with recurring issues only to fail again in service.
(22 Mar 2024, 10:50 pm)mb134 Can I shock you with the information that people get on the bus outside of Ashington and Newcastle? Guide Post, Bedlington, Newbiggin, Cramlington, Gosforth, Stakeford, Choppington, and Wansbeck Hospital aren't going to suddenly disappear.It's got axle problems nothing to do with maintenance I herd it's awaiting to get sent away to get sort it's spent it's hafe it's life on the x93 so u can expect ware and tare on the volvos
While the service has been incredibly poor the past few weeks and people are rightly annoyed, the Conservatives have wrecked the country to the point that people who use the bus to commute likely have no other option financially - they aren't suddenly going to be able to get cars essentially.
Pulsars have a lower capacity than the vehicles they're replacing, and also aren't capable of any of the X14/15/18 duties that 7578-81 have been used on. It doesn't take a genius to work out that Ashington are getting the short end of the stick here.
I have been on all of 7424-6 on the X93, and they performed okay. I do think they should be replaced. I don't think they should use buses which are needed in a separate part of the operation on demanding routes which are busy all year. Comprende?
You've told me that the failure of the vehicles is nothing to do with maintenance, yet have constantly ignored the fact that 7401 has been VOR for around a year with the same issue, and that buses were constantly sent out last year with recurring issues only to fail again in service.
Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(23 Mar 2024, 12:35 am)Storx No-one is travelling to Ashington from Newcastle etc unless you really need to.
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(23 Mar 2024, 12:35 am)Storx No-one is travelling to Ashington from Newcastle etc unless you really need to.
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(23 Mar 2024, 11:11 am)mb134 Again, I don't think you understand the passenger flows on the services. You're ignoring the fact that there are multiple places between Newcastle and Ashington where people go, for example Cramlington Industrial Estate. Morning X21/22s often leave Newcastle with 20-30+ people on them, so evidently there are northbound passengers in the morning.
Morning trips through to town also drop off hefty amounts there, and also at Regent Centre.
Agreed. There's clear need for investment across the board, and the robbing Peter to pay Paul approach clearly doesn't work.
That said, as you've pointed out, it's been clear to anyone with eyes for years now that Redcar are incapable of looking after vehicles properly. Things are sent out days after breaking down onto demanding routes, just to break again for the same reason. It's neglect of the vehicles, and other depots are constantly suffering for it.
(23 Mar 2024, 11:11 am)mb134 Again, I don't think you understand the passenger flows on the services. You're ignoring the fact that there are multiple places between Newcastle and Ashington where people go, for example Cramlington Industrial Estate. Morning X21/22s often leave Newcastle with 20-30+ people on them, so evidently there are northbound passengers in the morning.
Morning trips through to town also drop off hefty amounts there, and also at Regent Centre.
Agreed. There's clear need for investment across the board, and the robbing Peter to pay Paul approach clearly doesn't work.
That said, as you've pointed out, it's been clear to anyone with eyes for years now that Redcar are incapable of looking after vehicles properly. Things are sent out days after breaking down onto demanding routes, just to break again for the same reason. It's neglect of the vehicles, and other depots are constantly suffering for it.
(23 Mar 2024, 12:06 pm)Storx Most these are covered by alternative services though for the local runs; 1, 2, 57, 57A etc. Admit not as frequent but surely you'd be better off trying to grow those routes.
I'd imagine the Regent Centre customers will be the first to move across considering you can get integrated tickets which would be substantially cheaper than having to get 2 products as now.
We just have very different opinions on the train usage and I think, personally, it'll be much much greater than you predict and will impact the routes big time. Like personally I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Ashington buses started going via Cramlington and open more links as the Cramlington links are still poor from most parts of Bedlington etc.
(23 Mar 2024, 12:06 pm)Storx Most these are covered by alternative services though for the local runs; 1, 2, 57, 57A etc. Admit not as frequent but surely you'd be better off trying to grow those routes.
I'd imagine the Regent Centre customers will be the first to move across considering you can get integrated tickets which would be substantially cheaper than having to get 2 products as now.
We just have very different opinions on the train usage and I think, personally, it'll be much much greater than you predict and will impact the routes big time. Like personally I wouldn't be surprised if one of the Ashington buses started going via Cramlington and open more links as the Cramlington links are still poor from most parts of Bedlington etc.
(23 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm)mb134 As a few examples, none of the following flows are covered by the 1/2/57/57A:
- Newcastle to Cramlington Industrial Estate
- Newcastle to Guide Post/Bedlington
- Regent Centre to Cramlington Industrial Estate
- Regent Centre to Bedlington/Bedlington Station/Ashington/Guide Post/Stakeford/Newbiggin
- Cramlington Industrial Estate to Bedlington Station/Stakeford/Nedderton/Bedlington (west end/towards Rothesay Terrace)/Newbiggin/Ashington (bar the town centre)
Regent Centre to anywhere on the Northumberland Line would require either 2 changes (at South Gosforth and Northumberland Park) or a trip into town first to change at Central. If you've got a direct bus who is going to do that given it'll take longer?
I think there'll be an impact on the bus in some areas, particularly because of the recent impacts of driver shortages and cancelled trips, but as someone who has had a lot of exposure to these services there are a large amount of passengers who won't be able to complete their trips on the Northumberland Line.
(23 Mar 2024, 1:18 pm)mb134 As a few examples, none of the following flows are covered by the 1/2/57/57A:
- Newcastle to Cramlington Industrial Estate
- Newcastle to Guide Post/Bedlington
- Regent Centre to Cramlington Industrial Estate
- Regent Centre to Bedlington/Bedlington Station/Ashington/Guide Post/Stakeford/Newbiggin
- Cramlington Industrial Estate to Bedlington Station/Stakeford/Nedderton/Bedlington (west end/towards Rothesay Terrace)/Newbiggin/Ashington (bar the town centre)
Regent Centre to anywhere on the Northumberland Line would require either 2 changes (at South Gosforth and Northumberland Park) or a trip into town first to change at Central. If you've got a direct bus who is going to do that given it'll take longer?
I think there'll be an impact on the bus in some areas, particularly because of the recent impacts of driver shortages and cancelled trips, but as someone who has had a lot of exposure to these services there are a large amount of passengers who won't be able to complete their trips on the Northumberland Line.
(25 Mar 2024, 7:13 pm)Ryland When it's 7581 due to transfer to redcar
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(25 Mar 2024, 7:13 pm)Ryland When it's 7581 due to transfer to redcar
(23 Mar 2024, 9:29 am)tvd Much of Arriva North East deserves some new buses and investment, it shouldn't be the north vs the south of the area. I do agree that Redcar don't look after their buses very well though, or even allocate properly.
Double deckers are often seen on the 62, which is a complete waste.
And I've seen myself drivers literally kicking buses, pulling and tugging at doors trying to get them to close properly and so on, at Redcar Clock right outside their office and in full view of many passengers. It doesn't tell me that they have any pride in their fleet or look after them properly.
(25 Mar 2024, 8:19 pm)Mark66t I been thinking the same as its meant to be coming down and that about pulling doors I'm sure u have made that up
Redcar do lool after there buses when deckers on the 62 there down from whitby for a reson and absolutely bull about drivers pulling doors or closing
(25 Mar 2024, 8:19 pm)Mark66t I been thinking the same as its meant to be coming down and that about pulling doors I'm sure u have made that up
Redcar do lool after there buses when deckers on the 62 there down from whitby for a reson and absolutely bull about drivers pulling doors or closing
(25 Mar 2024, 7:13 pm)Ryland When it's 7581 due to transfer to redcar
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(26 Mar 2024, 2:21 pm)Spottybus I’m guessing 7579/7580/7581 are transfers & 7578 is only a loan
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(26 Mar 2024, 12:42 pm)tyresmoke Seemingly delayed a little while, have heard it’s until they have 7574 back on the road (accident damage the other week) which sounds plausible.
Also they’ve received 1539 but the engine fitted didn’t last too long so needs a return to Durham…!
Redcar I am told are prepping 7424 for a return…
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(26 Mar 2024, 2:21 pm)Spottybus I’m guessing 7579/7580/7581 are transfers & 7578 is only a loan
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(26 Mar 2024, 12:42 pm)tyresmoke Seemingly delayed a little while, have heard it’s until they have 7574 back on the road (accident damage the other week) which sounds plausible.
Also they’ve received 1539 but the engine fitted didn’t last too long so needs a return to Durham…!
Redcar I am told are prepping 7424 for a return…
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(26 Mar 2024, 3:33 pm)Mike_98 From what everyone was saying before, I believe they are all transfers to ensure the X93/X94 has maximum capacity. And I must say, it hasn't been a great start.
(26 Mar 2024, 3:33 pm)Mike_98 From what everyone was saying before, I believe they are all transfers to ensure the X93/X94 has maximum capacity. And I must say, it hasn't been a great start.
