Bus stop numbers
Bus stop numbers
(20 Apr 2014, 12:49 pm)BJ10VUS Found one of the new timetables... here's Washington Road. It's simpler to understand, which is good, but I'm not a fan of the design myself.
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/23147.pdf
(20 Apr 2014, 12:49 pm)BJ10VUS Found one of the new timetables... here's Washington Road. It's simpler to understand, which is good, but I'm not a fan of the design myself.
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/23147.pdf
Does anyone care to explain how two buses departing from the same stop, traversing the exact same route, have two different estimated times of how long it takes to get from Rowlands Gill to Newcastle?
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/20011.pdf
According to the timetable, service 45 takes 29 minutes while service 46 takes 35 minutes. Service 47, which goes a slightly different way, takes 30 minutes.
I didn't really want to put this in the 'Life's Little Mysteries' thread but perhaps I should have done!
I wonder if there any more examples of this timetabling anomaly.
(Yes, I know it's Nexus and expect nothing less!)
There's a few examples of that happening in Washington too, Adam. It's even more irritating that customers think this is a Go North East fault and complain to Go North East when these services take longer than x minutes as shown on the bus stop timetable.
Regarding the new design - the one on Newcastle Road opposite the Whatsheaf (X3 terminus) has been updated to the new style and it was hideous to read compared to the old style. I found myself having to point at the timetable and follow it along with my finger like a little old woman. It still read 'at xx and yy mins past each hour' too.
EDIT: Not sure if it was a mistake on the printed timetable or not, but it's not like that on the online version:
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24020.pdf
(01 Jun 2014, 6:07 pm)Dan There's a few examples of that happening in Washington too, Adam. It's even more irritating that customers think this is a Go North East fault and complain to Go North East when these services take longer than x minutes as shown on the bus stop timetable.
Regarding the new design - the one on Newcastle Road opposite the Whatsheaf (X3 terminus) has been updated to the new style and it was hideous to read compared to the old style. I found myself having to point at the timetable and follow it along with my finger like a little old woman. It still read 'at xx and yy mins past each hour' too.
EDIT: Not sure if it was a mistake on the printed timetable or not, but it's not like that on the online version:
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24020.pdf
(01 Jun 2014, 6:07 pm)Dan There's a few examples of that happening in Washington too, Adam. It's even more irritating that customers think this is a Go North East fault and complain to Go North East when these services take longer than x minutes as shown on the bus stop timetable.
Regarding the new design - the one on Newcastle Road opposite the Whatsheaf (X3 terminus) has been updated to the new style and it was hideous to read compared to the old style. I found myself having to point at the timetable and follow it along with my finger like a little old woman. It still read 'at xx and yy mins past each hour' too.
EDIT: Not sure if it was a mistake on the printed timetable or not, but it's not like that on the online version:
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24020.pdf
(01 Jun 2014, 6:18 pm)Michael The 2 next to Sunderland Uni have being updated to - http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24245.pdf
Slightly different to the ones on Washington road for the 50/56 - due to the fact that theirs more services using that road
(01 Jun 2014, 6:18 pm)Michael The 2 next to Sunderland Uni have being updated to - http://liners.nexus.org.uk/24245.pdf
Slightly different to the ones on Washington road for the 50/56 - due to the fact that theirs more services using that road
(01 Jun 2014, 6:07 pm)Dan There's a few examples of that happening in Washington too, Adam. It's even more irritating that customers think this is a Go North East fault and complain to Go North East when these services take longer than x minutes as shown on the bus stop timetable.
Regarding the new design - the one on Newcastle Road opposite the Whatsheaf (X3 terminus) has been updated to the new style and it was hideous to read compared to the old style. I found myself having to point at the timetable and follow it along with my finger like a little old woman. It still read 'at xx and yy mins past each hour' too.
(01 Jun 2014, 6:07 pm)Dan There's a few examples of that happening in Washington too, Adam. It's even more irritating that customers think this is a Go North East fault and complain to Go North East when these services take longer than x minutes as shown on the bus stop timetable.
Regarding the new design - the one on Newcastle Road opposite the Whatsheaf (X3 terminus) has been updated to the new style and it was hideous to read compared to the old style. I found myself having to point at the timetable and follow it along with my finger like a little old woman. It still read 'at xx and yy mins past each hour' too.
The estimated time of 29 minutes is extremely optimistic to say the least. Maybe it's achievable with the first bus on a Sunday morning but even then there's the regular car-boot sale at Blaydon Rugby Club to consider. I don't know what loadings are like now, but back when I was a regular GNE punter (many moons ago), there was always a queue of people waiting to board with a variety of oversized junk.
(01 Jun 2014, 5:52 pm)AdamY Does anyone care to explain how two buses departing from the same stop, traversing the exact same route, have two different estimated times of how long it takes to get from Rowlands Gill to Newcastle?
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/20011.pdf
According to the timetable, service 45 takes 29 minutes while service 46 takes 35 minutes. Service 47, which goes a slightly different way, takes 30 minutes.
I didn't really want to put this in the 'Life's Little Mysteries' thread but perhaps I should have done!
I wonder if there any more examples of this timetabling anomaly.
(Yes, I know it's Nexus and expect nothing less!)
(01 Jun 2014, 5:52 pm)AdamY Does anyone care to explain how two buses departing from the same stop, traversing the exact same route, have two different estimated times of how long it takes to get from Rowlands Gill to Newcastle?
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/20011.pdf
According to the timetable, service 45 takes 29 minutes while service 46 takes 35 minutes. Service 47, which goes a slightly different way, takes 30 minutes.
I didn't really want to put this in the 'Life's Little Mysteries' thread but perhaps I should have done!
I wonder if there any more examples of this timetabling anomaly.
(Yes, I know it's Nexus and expect nothing less!)
Even more disparity regarding estimated journey times on the bus stop prior (heading into Newcastle) to the one I posted about earlier.
http://liners.nexus.org.uk/20010.pdf
Aside from the fact they're formatted differently, service 45 now takes 27 minutes; service 46 takes 42 minutes; and service 47 takes 40 minutes. The latter is probably the one I'd be inclined to believe.
I like how travelling to the past is now possible in Rowlands Gill courtesy of Nexus!
(01 Jun 2014, 6:33 pm)Andreos Constantopolous There have been examples of it for years with the stops I have used on a regular basis.
No idea why.
The only thing I could come up with, was the popularity of the service i.e if it was popular, it took longer - if it was less so, then quicker.
No idea if that was the case with each example or not.
On a different note, the timetables on Chester Front St have changed. No idea how long the new versions have been in place, but much easier on the eye, than the traditional cluttered version.
(01 Jun 2014, 6:33 pm)Andreos Constantopolous There have been examples of it for years with the stops I have used on a regular basis.
No idea why.
The only thing I could come up with, was the popularity of the service i.e if it was popular, it took longer - if it was less so, then quicker.
No idea if that was the case with each example or not.
On a different note, the timetables on Chester Front St have changed. No idea how long the new versions have been in place, but much easier on the eye, than the traditional cluttered version.
(01 Jun 2014, 7:18 pm)Dan Don't think there's that much of a popularity difference between "Red Kite" services 45/46 to cause a 15 minute difference in journey times!
FTAO: eezypeazy - this would be a perfect time to get a dig in about QCS, if they can't manage to publish timetables correctly!
(01 Jun 2014, 7:18 pm)Dan Don't think there's that much of a popularity difference between "Red Kite" services 45/46 to cause a 15 minute difference in journey times!
FTAO: eezypeazy - this would be a perfect time to get a dig in about QCS, if they can't manage to publish timetables correctly!
(01 Jun 2014, 7:18 pm)Dan Don't think there's that much of a popularity difference between "Red Kite" services 45/46 to cause a 15 minute difference in journey times!
FTAO: eezypeazy - this would be a perfect time to get a dig in about QCS, if they can't manage to publish timetables correctly!
(01 Jun 2014, 7:18 pm)Dan Don't think there's that much of a popularity difference between "Red Kite" services 45/46 to cause a 15 minute difference in journey times!
FTAO: eezypeazy - this would be a perfect time to get a dig in about QCS, if they can't manage to publish timetables correctly!
(01 Jun 2014, 7:32 pm)aureolin Well according to the Senior Traffic Commissioner, us folk don't see timetables as timetables anyway.
(01 Jun 2014, 7:32 pm)aureolin Well according to the Senior Traffic Commissioner, us folk don't see timetables as timetables anyway.
(01 Jun 2014, 7:18 pm)Dan Don't think there's that much of a popularity difference between "Red Kite" services 45/46 to cause a 15 minute difference in journey times!
FTAO: eezypeazy - this would be a perfect time to get a dig in about QCS, if they can't manage to publish timetables correctly!
(01 Jun 2014, 7:18 pm)Dan Don't think there's that much of a popularity difference between "Red Kite" services 45/46 to cause a 15 minute difference in journey times!
FTAO: eezypeazy - this would be a perfect time to get a dig in about QCS, if they can't manage to publish timetables correctly!
(01 Jun 2014, 7:37 pm)citaro5284
(01 Jun 2014, 7:45 pm)aureolin That's my wires crossed. It was in fact our good friends over at Passenger Focus that suggested that. Probably based on the 0.000000005% of bus users they surveyed.
(27 Mar 2014, 7:41 pm)eezypeazy You're still not able to understand sampling, are you? And how samples are representative? And how the same technique has been rigourously applied across the country?
(01 Jun 2014, 7:45 pm)aureolin That's my wires crossed. It was in fact our good friends over at Passenger Focus that suggested that. Probably based on the 0.000000005% of bus users they surveyed.
(27 Mar 2014, 7:41 pm)eezypeazy You're still not able to understand sampling, are you? And how samples are representative? And how the same technique has been rigourously applied across the country?
The timings on the nexus bus stops are based on the quickest scheduled journey. The rather odd timing of the 45 is based on the very first trip (0529 ish?) which doesn't encounter much traffic (cars or passengers). This explains the wide discrepancy to the 46 and 47.
In general terms, if a service has an evening variation, that's the point-to-point timings nexus use. Personally, I think these timings raise customer expectations too much. I'd much prefer they used general daytime timings, as they are generally more robust for connections/ journey planning, etc. and if a bus arrives at destination point earlier than customers expectation, this would certainly excite less comment...
(02 Jun 2014, 8:34 am)JakeSavage The timings on the nexus bus stops are based on the quickest scheduled journey. The rather odd timing of the 45 is based on the very first trip (0529 ish?) which doesn't encounter much traffic (cars or passengers). This explains the wide discrepancy to the 46 and 47.
In general terms, if a service has an evening variation, that's the point-to-point timings nexus use. Personally, I think these timings raise customer expectations too much. I'd much prefer they used general daytime timings, as they are generally more robust for connections/ journey planning, etc. and if a bus arrives at destination point earlier than customers expectation, this would certainly excite less comment...
(02 Jun 2014, 8:34 am)JakeSavage The timings on the nexus bus stops are based on the quickest scheduled journey. The rather odd timing of the 45 is based on the very first trip (0529 ish?) which doesn't encounter much traffic (cars or passengers). This explains the wide discrepancy to the 46 and 47.
In general terms, if a service has an evening variation, that's the point-to-point timings nexus use. Personally, I think these timings raise customer expectations too much. I'd much prefer they used general daytime timings, as they are generally more robust for connections/ journey planning, etc. and if a bus arrives at destination point earlier than customers expectation, this would certainly excite less comment...
