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RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 07 Sep 2019 (07 Sep 2019, 7:28 am)Rob44I get that you also have to take into account the convenience factor. However I was just going off the point that she made about the bus being more expensive than the car. On the surface it may be, but once you start looking at the whole picture it might not necessarily be. My mother for instance could save a lot of money travelling by bus, but she finishes work at 2am so it's impossible for her to use public transport. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 07 Sep 2019 (06 Sep 2019, 5:59 pm)streetdeckfan Appreciate we are going off topic slightly, but isn't time - money too? Depending where she lives in Wallsend (regardless of the start times she could have), we are talking 2 or 3 buses and potentially a metro. (06 Sep 2019, 6:31 pm)Arcticrossy92 I was chatting with Mrs Constantopolous a few weeks back about using the river more. Without trying to fall in to the trap of bringing London in to the equation, the river is used quite well down there. A network of river boats travelling between key points surely will have some impact? (06 Sep 2019, 9:28 pm)Storx I get the point you're making about the traffic jams and agree that something needs doing in those areas. However the council themselves state that within the city centre, there are 4 areas that fall foul of emissions targets and that is where they have installed facilities to monitor emissions.
More than happy for someone to point out if I'm in the wrong, but aren't each of those locations key sections of our bus network? I'm not saying buses are the root of the problem, but if cars arent the dominant mode of transport in the majority of those areas, then why should car drivers be penalised elsewhere - such as the Tyne Bridge? RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Chris 1 - 10 Sep 2019 (06 Sep 2019, 5:59 pm)streetdeckfan I would look at it the opposite way. Yes, your fuel is a variable cost. But the more you use your car, the more your sunk cost is recovered. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Andreos1 - 08 Apr 2020 Hearing that the CAZ scheme has been postponed by Defra. All schemes have been delayed until next year at the earliest - even the ones due to start this year, such as Leeds and Birmingham. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - BusLoverMum - 08 Apr 2020 (08 Apr 2020, 1:33 pm)Andreos1 Hearing that the CAZ scheme has been postponed by Defra.Makes sense. The problem's probably temporarily resolved with the lack of traffic, anyhow. I know that Framwellgate Peth, which is usually one of the most polluted streets in the NE, has never smelled so sweet. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - citaro5284 - 09 Apr 2020 Major doubts over Newcastle Clean Air Zone as leaders warn cash offer falls 'significantly' short https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/newcastle-clean-air-funding-doubts-18064280 RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - idiot - 25 Jun 2020 Cycled across Tyne Bridge today to Gosforth. Cycle infrastructure is great now! Only slight thing is sensors could do with some improvement on cycle lights. Newcastle City Centre Developments - TEN 6083 - 30 Jul 2020 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/stoneyhurst-bridge-closure-traffic-gosforth-18681528 Warning of ‘absolute chaos’ on roads amid battle over plans to shut Newcastle rat run bridges Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Ne14ne1 - ne14ne1 - 30 Jul 2020 (30 Jul 2020, 7:19 pm)TEN 6083 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/stoneyhurst-bridge-closure-traffic-gosforth-18681528 ‘Absolute chaos’ = slight inconvenience for some, but beneficial for many. Anyway, these plans don’t affect buses though as far as I can tell. Unless I’m missing something, TEN6083? Newcastle City Centre Developments - TEN 6083 - 30 Jul 2020 (30 Jul 2020, 7:47 pm)ne14ne1 ‘Absolute chaos’ = slight inconvenience for some, but beneficial for many. Not familiar with that area so wasn’t sure if buses use it Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 30 Jul 2020 (30 Jul 2020, 7:19 pm)TEN 6083 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/stoneyhurst-bridge-closure-traffic-gosforth-18681528 This is blatently so they don't have to maintain them as much to save money. It's no-coincidence that it's all bridges. Haldane and Stoneyhurst aren't rat runs and there's no houses anywhere near Argyle Street and Castle Road Farm so it's nonsense blaming residents. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - MetrolineGA1511 - 10 Jan 2021 Have there been any updates recently on when the Newcastle Clean Air Zone could be introduced? Newcastle City Centre Developments - Dan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 11:43 am)Metroline1511 Have there been any updates recently on when the Newcastle Clean Air Zone could be introduced? No, still postponed for the foreseeable future. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 11:57 am)Dan No, still postponed for the foreseeable future. Hopefully with the evidence that buses aren't the problem, and the fact without all the cars the air was suddenly very clean, they may reconsider charging buses and not cars... Yeah, that won't happen! RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Rob44 - 10 Jan 2021 but they are only charging the really polluting buses aren't they? You want to charge all cars even fully electric or part electric ones? RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 2:37 pm)Rob44 but they are only charging the really polluting buses aren't they? You want to charge all cars even fully electric or part electric ones? I wouldn't say Euro 5 buses are 'really polluting', especially per passenger, yet they're going to be charged to enter. I'd apply exactly the same criteria to cars as they are to buses. With the current proposals, 50 people could drive into Newcastle in 25 year old diesel and they aren't bothered, but if those same 50 people get on an 8 year old Euro 5 bus suddenly the world is ending and they need to pay £50 to enter. Just doesn't make any sense to me! RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - MetrolineGA1511 - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 11:57 am)Dan No, still postponed for the foreseeable future. Thank you for letting me know. If it's unlikely to be taking place before late summer I would probably come before then. I want to time my visit carefully to avoid any blockade on the Metro and not to narrowly miss out any changes resulting from the CAZ. Unlikely before May at the earliest. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 3:29 pm)streetdeckfan I wouldn't say Euro 5 buses are 'really polluting', especially per passenger, yet they're going to be charged to enter. You need to build a suitable bypass around Newcastle before you can do stuff like that. It's all good charging people, 'going into Newcastle'. The problem is they aren't. They're doing journeys such as Byker to Team Valley or Felling to Killingworth. Without something built like the Friars Goose Crossing, there's no alternative for these people and the charges would be unfair. You just need to travel along the Coast Road or Central Motorway now there is still a fair chuck of traffic yet Newcastle is a ghost town. RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - streetdeckfan - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 5:38 pm)Storx You need to build a suitable bypass around Newcastle before you can do stuff like that. It's all good charging people, 'going into Newcastle'. The problem is they aren't. They're doing journeys such as Byker to Team Valley or Felling to Killingworth. Without something built like the Friars Goose Crossing, there's no alternative for these people and the charges would be unfair. You just need to travel along the Coast Road or Central Motorway now there is still a fair chuck of traffic yet Newcastle is a ghost town. But equally charging buses that aren't Euro 6 to enter Newcastle isn't going to do anything either! If the problem is the sheer volume of people travelling through, then they need to solve that RE: Newcastle City Centre Developments - Storx - 10 Jan 2021 (10 Jan 2021, 5:47 pm)streetdeckfan But equally charging buses that aren't Euro 6 to enter Newcastle isn't going to do anything either! Yeah agreed really but then again is there much left that isn't Euro 6 now anyway. Believe pretty much everything at GNE and Arriva is done now bar a the odd route or 2. Not a clue with Stagecoach though. If it's the kick up the arse to do something for the bus companies I'm not complaining it's better for everyone. |