(10 Oct 2019, 9:09 am)streetdeckfan

Apparently Wright has put an offer on the table, so it's looking like something could happen

Fingers, legs and eyes crossed

(10 Oct 2019, 9:18 am)JP6004

Fingers, legs and eyes crossed

Go North East Green Arrow 5489 / NK69 FBA by kieron mathews, on Flickr

Go North East Green Arrow 5495 / NK69 FBG by kieron mathews, on Flickr

5489 & 5495 have entered service today

 would anyone know the fleetnumbers of the new Mercs for the NHS contract

(10 Oct 2019, 4:41 pm)TEN 6083 Go North East Green Arrow 5489 / NK69 FBA by kieron mathews, on Flickr

Go North East Green Arrow 5495 / NK69 FBG by kieron mathews, on Flickr

5489 & 5495 have entered service today

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Go North East NK69 FAF by kieron mathews, on Flickr

would anyone know the fleetnumbers of the new Mercs for the NHS contract

729 - NK69 FAA

730 - NK69 FAF

(10 Oct 2019, 6:39 pm)Michael The Loop looks to be dropping to 6 PVR?, so 3 Scania's should be withdrawn on top of the ones from the Green Arrow and Versa cascades.

If they managed to operate 97 with only 4 Scalia, can imagine all Solars can be withdrawn and allocate omnicity until DD arrive

There’s 6 Toonlink B9’s at Consett which could transfer and go on the Loop now the PVR is 6 but I’m not sure if the Wrightbus issue has affected what happens at Consett.

(10 Oct 2019, 10:31 pm)Olympian3521

There’s 6 Toonlink B9’s at Consett which could transfer and go on the Loop now the PVR is 6 but I’m not sure if the Wrightbus issue has affected what happens at Consett.

We were due 30 streetdecks, so just slightly. But also other depots are affected by the knock on of those B9s and streetlites we’re going to replace older vehicles. Still hope a deal might be reached for wrights and the streetdecks arrive.

(11 Oct 2019, 12:18 pm)JP6004 GNE website states emissions of E200 like 4 average cars. A lot better than I thought

I wonder what they use as the 'average car'

(11 Oct 2019, 12:19 pm)streetdeckfan

I wonder what they use as the 'average car'

Presumably not a matchbox one

(11 Oct 2019, 12:22 pm)JP6004

Presumably not a matchbox one

I'm sceptical of all these official emissions figures, if they're saying it emits the equivalent of 4 average cars, then it probably emits at least the equivalent of 10-12 average cars in the real world, once you take into account all the stopping and starting.

Plus, that figure is probably an empty bus with no seats with just enough fuel to complete the test

(11 Oct 2019, 12:40 pm)streetdeckfan

I'm sceptical of all these official emissions figures, if they're saying it emits the equivalent of 4 average cars, then it probably emits at least the equivalent of 10-12 average cars in the real world, once you take into account all the stopping and starting.

Plus, that figure is probably an empty bus with no seats with just enough fuel to complete the test

Yeah but that bus will be there if whether there's passengers or not. A car will only be polluting if you choose to make that Journey in a car, thus instead of using a bus that's already there, you're adding extra emissions to the environment. 4 average cars sounds about right too, an Enviro 200 has what a 5 litre engine? Which is about the equivalent of 4 car engines, but more efficient because it is only powering 1 individual machine rather than 4 separate ones, not to mention large commercial diesel engines are very very efficient these days. It's basic maths that a bus carrying only a few people is much, much better than 4 cars carrying 1 single person each, I don't know where you're grasping 12 cars from, that's not realistic at all.

(11 Oct 2019, 12:49 pm)deanmachine

Yeah but that bus will be there if whether there's passengers or not. A car will only be polluting if you choose to make that Journey in a car, thus instead of using a bus that's already there, you're adding extra emissions to the environment. 4 average cars sounds about right too, an Enviro 200 has what a 5 litre engine? Which is about the equivalent of 4 car engines, but more efficient because it is only powering 1 individual machine rather than 4 separate ones, not to mention large commercial diesel engines are very very efficient these days. It's basic maths that a bus carrying only a few people is much, much better than 4 cars carrying 1 single person each, I don't know where you're grasping 12 cars from, that's not realistic at all.

I was going off the fact that research shows that stopping 3 times per mile and getting back up to speed triples emissions.

The E200 weighs roughly 6 times the 'average' car when empty and like you say has an engine the equivalent size of 4 cars. Once you take into account the increased drag from the aerodynamics of a brick I fail to see how the emissions can only be equivalent to 4 cars.

I'm not saying that a bus is worse for the environment than a car, far from it, all I'm saying is with manufacturers doing everything in their power to cheat their way through emissions regulations, I don't see how anyone can trust the 'official' figures.

I'm happy to be proven wrong through independent tests, but I honestly don't see it happening

(11 Oct 2019, 12:58 pm)streetdeckfan

I was going off the fact that research shows that stopping 3 times per mile and getting back up to speed triples emissions.

The E200 weighs roughly 6 times the 'average' car when empty and like you say has an engine the equivalent size of 4 cars. Once you take into account the increased drag from the aerodynamics of a brick I fail to see how the emissions can only be equivalent to 4 cars.

I'm not saying that a bus is worse for the environment than a car, far from it, all I'm saying is with manufacturers doing everything in their power to cheat their way through emissions regulations, I don't see how anyone can trust the 'official' figures.

I'm happy to be proven wrong through independent tests, but I honestly don't see it happening

It's better than 4 cars because large diesel engines are a lot more efficient than small passenger car engines. They're above 50% thermal efficiency these days, where a normal petrol/diesel engine struggles to get 35%, I don't have time to dig out all the research I did when I was on placement to Cummins Turbo Technologies at the minute, but I learned a lot about large diesel engines and how good they actually are at converting fossil fuels into energy. This was in 2014, so the technology in a brand new Cummins powered E200 I imagine is getting even better.

I'd also say a bus ran by a company such as GNE has vehicles that are in much better condition than some of the diesel passenger cars driving around with their dirty black smoke coming out of the back of them, so there's another advantage to a bus. I'd be willing to hear an argument that a modern plug in hybrid or electric car is better for the environment than a bus, but they're expensive, and a bus pass is probably better compared to a dirty old diesel car that we should be trying to get off the road.