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RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - ASX_Terranova - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 1:49 pm)Storx I'm probably wrong but I'm going to guess.

5x Solo SR: 317
4x GNW Streetlite: 41/41A

3x Solo out from Deptford / Washington combined (661/681 being 2 of them)

6x GNW Streetlite: 34 + Spares
17 Plate Streetlite: 25/28/29

11 Plate Versa's split between Deptford / Riverside / Hexham
10 Plate Versa's withdrawn
How much repainting will need to be done with your suggestions. Also could the 34 see deckers instead.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Storx - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 4:01 pm)ASX_Terranova How much repainting will need to be done with your suggestions. Also could the 34 see deckers instead.

As far as I'm aware none at all it's just moving corporate vehicles around between the depots rather than mass repaints. The Streetlites for the 28/29 has already happened with Versas going to Percy Main but I can't imagine they'll want a microfleet of them there long term. 

Honestly I don't know the 34 too well, unsure whether it needs deckers tbh.

Just can't see the Berries going anywhere like others have said as they've had a retrim and are fine on there imo.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Unber43 - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 5:26 pm)Storx As far as I'm aware none at all it's just moving corporate vehicles around between the depots rather than mass repaints. The Streetlites for the 28/29 has already happened with Versas going to Percy Main but I can't imagine they'll want a microfleet of them there long term. 

Honestly I don't know the 34 too well, unsure whether it needs deckers tbh.

Just can't see the Berries going anywhere like others have said as they've had a retrim and are fine on there imo.
34 needs nothing more than a Versa, if not a Solo on most runs but i think there is one trip which a decker is needed which is a massively waste of rescources.

Also Berries theyve only got 7 for what should be a PVR of about 10, and seems to be atleast two off the road on a daily occurance


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - ASX_Terranova - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 5:26 pm)Storx As far as I'm aware none at all it's just moving corporate vehicles around between the depots rather than mass repaints. The Streetlites for the 28/29 has already happened with Versas going to Percy Main but I can't imagine they'll want a microfleet of them there long term. 

Honestly I don't know the 34 too well, unsure whether it needs deckers tbh.

Just can't see the Berries going anywhere like others have said as they've had a retrim and are fine on there imo.

I'm just going off whats been on the tracker, seems quite of few of the x1 branded buses end up on there, not just today.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Storx - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 6:01 pm)Unber43 34 needs nothing more than a Versa, if not a Solo on most runs but i think there is one trip which a decker is needed which is a massively waste of rescources.

Also Berries theyve only got 7 for what should be a PVR of about 10, and seems to be atleast two off the road on a daily occurance

Aye wasn't sure if there was a board that needed a Decker.

To be honest, I have a feeling a few from Washington will end up at Deptford personally to make up the PVR. But I could be wrong, they seem to be moving them out from there and there's not really anywhere else for them to go (can't see them being withdrawn yet personally). PVR 9 if I'm right and they've got 8, including 8331 since 2 died.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Unber43 - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 6:05 pm)Storx Aye wasn't sure if there was a board that needed a Decker.

To be honest, I have a feeling a few from Washington will end up at Deptford personally to make up the PVR. But I could be wrong, they seem to be moving them out from there and there's not really anywhere else for them to go (can't see them being withdrawn yet personally). PVR 9 if I'm right and they've got 8, including 8331 since 2 died.
There's not a lot which can be moved as GNE aren't ordering anything and are only getting older buses from the south. 

X1 could do with another 5 StreetDecks atleast to boost it to every 12 mins and possibly compete with the 71 from Houghton-Seaham or various other extensions which could be done from various parts of the network. 

8 Country Ranger is another service whcih constantely suffers from breakdowns, seems everyday with a PVR of 6 there are between 2-4, I know GNE only brands what they need but really they should be branding some spares too when they do the repaints, atleast 1. 

But really there are well over 150-200 buses which need replacing

(25 Mar 2024, 6:02 pm)ASX_Terranova I'm just going off whats been on the tracker, seems quite of few of the x1 branded buses end up on there, not just today.
Really the 34 should be getting nothing better than an ex-London bus.

But today the allocations at Washington have been attricous not a single 6301-07 StreetDeck on the 50, meanwhile there are 4-6 X1's on the 50, like what on earth are they doing.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Storx - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 6:11 pm)Unber43 There's not a lot which can be moved as GNE aren't ordering anything and are only getting older buses from the south. 

X1 could do with another 5 StreetDecks atleast to boost it to every 12 mins and possibly compete with the 71 from Houghton-Seaham or various other extensions which could be done from various parts of the network. 

8 Country Ranger is another service whcih constantely suffers from breakdowns, seems everyday with a PVR of 6 there are between 2-4, I know GNE only brands what they need but really they should be branding some spares too when they do the repaints, atleast 1. 

But really there are well over 150-200 buses which need replacing

Really the 34 should be getting nothing better than an ex-London bus.

But today the allocations at Washington have been attricous not a single 6301-07 StreetDeck on the 50, meanwhile there are 4-6 X1's on the 50, like what on earth are they doing.

Aye Washington is a bit of mess lately mind, early Streetdeck's never seem to be the most reliable things either regardless to company. Awful vehicles in terms of aging tbh. It's why they need something newer imo and it seems they've got some for the contracted stuff.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Andreos1 - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 6:11 pm)Unber43 There's not a lot which can be moved as GNE aren't ordering anything and are only getting older buses from the south. 

X1 could do with another 5 StreetDecks atleast to boost it to every 12 mins and possibly compete with the 71 from Houghton-Seaham or various other extensions which could be done from various parts of the network. 

8 Country Ranger is another service whcih constantely suffers from breakdowns, seems everyday with a PVR of 6 there are between 2-4, I know GNE only brands what they need but really they should be branding some spares too when they do the repaints, atleast 1. 

But really there are well over 150-200 buses which need replacing

Really the 34 should be getting nothing better than an ex-London bus.

But today the allocations at Washington have been attricous not a single 6301-07 StreetDeck on the 50, meanwhile there are 4-6 X1's on the 50, like what on earth are they doing.

Noted an 8 branded Streetlite out on the 4 yesterday.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - ASX_Terranova - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 6:39 pm)Andreos1 Noted an 8 branded Streetlite out on the 4 yesterday.

I know theres extra 4 in the morning that works onto an 8 about 9 ish. Is a solo the correct allocation for this.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Unber43 - 25 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 6:32 pm)Storx Aye Washington is a bit of mess lately mind, early Streetdeck's never seem to be the most reliable things either regardless to company. Awful vehicles in terms of aging tbh. It's why they need something newer imo and it seems they've got some for the contracted stuff.
Youve seen drivers on here and on Facebook saying the state of some of the streetdeck particular the green ones are in an atrocious condition, you don't even need to hear it from a driver to realise it! 6301-7 seem quite reliable for the 50 that's if they ever get on it


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - thw1008 - 25 Mar 2024

X78 having a rough time of it tonight, 30 minutes late in some sections.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - OrangeArrow49 - 26 Mar 2024

(25 Mar 2024, 11:30 pm)thw1008 X78 having a rough time of it tonight, 30 minutes late in some sections.

Well it left Eldon Square late on the first trip, so not the best start, and does seem to have operated rather late tonight. Boring allocation tonight as well! Displaying Not in Service which is not sensible either.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Thomas12 - 26 Mar 2024

Does anyone know if the 317 service is one of those minimum cost contracts where Nexus set the fares?

I’m not sure if it was driver error or not, but he told passengers they can’t buy Go North East day tickets and the fares don’t seem to be in line with other Go North East services. I heard the driver charge a passenger only £1.60 for a trip from Wallsend to Rake Lane.


24th March 2024 Changes - Dan - 26 Mar 2024

(26 Mar 2024, 8:41 am)Thomas12 Does anyone know if the 317 service is one of those minimum cost contracts where Nexus set the fares?

I’m not sure if it was driver error or not, but he told passengers they can’t buy Go North East day tickets and the fares don’t seem to be in line with other Go North East services. I heard the driver charge a passenger only £1.60 for a trip from Wallsend to Rake Lane.


All Nexus contracts issued this year are on a Minimum Cost (revenue risk with Nexus) basis. This, in all honesty, is likely to be why Stagecoach lost the contract.


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RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Thomas12 - 26 Mar 2024

(26 Mar 2024, 8:52 am)Dan All Nexus contracts issued this year are on a Minimum Cost (revenue risk with Nexus) basis. This, in all honesty, is likely to be why Stagecoach lost the contract.


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Interesting, thanks. So are the only day tickets valid the TNE rovers or whatever they’re called?


24th March 2024 Changes - Dan - 26 Mar 2024

(26 Mar 2024, 8:54 am)Thomas12 Interesting, thanks. So are the only day tickets valid the TNE rovers or whatever they’re called?


Yes, unless GNE has agreed with Nexus for their period products to be valid.


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RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - OrangeArrow49 - 26 Mar 2024

Are Nexus day tickets valid on the 317, 335/351/359, 653 and X78?

Hopefully the X78 actually has a destination in future!


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Aaron21 - 26 Mar 2024

I think a change is needed to the 352/353 mainly

353 seems to be a really busy route while the 352 is a copy of the 37. An easy change could be made

Withdrawn the 352 and up the 353 to every 30 minutes. Even under Arriva the 53 was a busy route. I'm generally shocked they didn't up it to every 30 and Withdrawn the 352 as there's no need for the 352. Its just a worse version of the 37 ("But it serves Haymarket")

So the 37 drops of at more convenient places like Central/Grainger Street & Market/Pilgrim & John Dobson Street


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - Storx - 26 Mar 2024

(26 Mar 2024, 3:48 pm)Aaron21 I think a change is needed to the 352/353 mainly

353 seems to be a really busy route while the 352 is a copy of the 37. An easy change could be made

Withdrawn the 352 and up the 353 to every 30 minutes. Even under Arriva the 53 was a busy route. I'm generally shocked they didn't up it to every 30 and Withdrawn the 352 as there's no need for the 352. Its just a worse version of the 37 ("But it serves Haymarket")

So the 37 drops of at more convenient places like Central/Grainger Street & Market/Pilgrim & John Dobson Street

It wouldn't work without extending the 355 to Gateshead as the services all work in a loop.

The 37 is always pretty much dead aswell recently since that pretty much duplicates the X7/X8 in terms of going to Newcastle so it's only useful for going to the Freeman really.


RE: 24th March 2024 Changes - OrangeArrow49 - 26 Mar 2024

The 37 is a copy of the 352 as the 352 was registered first. 37 is a duplicate of the 38, but goes to Cramlington. Stagecoach having a shortage of buses should withdraw the 37.