Arriva North East: Order Predictions
Arriva North East: Order Predictions
That would be good but there's not long left of the 6.7Litre Cummins Engine as they don't have it in Euro 6.
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(04 Nov 2017, 10:24 am)JamesDunkley That would be good but there's not long left of the 6.7Litre Cummins Engine as they don't have it in Euro 6.
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(04 Nov 2017, 10:24 am)JamesDunkley That would be good but there's not long left of the 6.7Litre Cummins Engine as they don't have it in Euro 6.
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Well the pulsar we're on has just conked out by Gilesgate roundabout (revving and not getting anywhere, after jerking like a Streetlite, a bit back) do they're not infallible, either.
(04 Nov 2017, 4:18 pm)BusLoverMum Well the pulsar we're on has just conked out by Gilesgate roundabout (revving and not getting anywhere, after jerking like a Streetlite, a bit back) do they're not infallible, either.
(03 Nov 2017, 5:38 am)Dan I'm not sure what relevance the X18/X20 has to this debate. The timetable for these services have not been designed with a bus sitting at 50mph in mind: they've been built in the knowledge that a bus that can exceed this speed will be allocated. Of course a Streetlite, limited to 50mph, would not be able to keep to time on these routes.
(04 Nov 2017, 4:18 pm)BusLoverMum Well the pulsar we're on has just conked out by Gilesgate roundabout (revving and not getting anywhere, after jerking like a Streetlite, a bit back) do they're not infallible, either.
(03 Nov 2017, 5:38 am)Dan I'm not sure what relevance the X18/X20 has to this debate. The timetable for these services have not been designed with a bus sitting at 50mph in mind: they've been built in the knowledge that a bus that can exceed this speed will be allocated. Of course a Streetlite, limited to 50mph, would not be able to keep to time on these routes.
(04 Nov 2017, 4:53 pm)mb134 Honestly? Every bus is going to break down at some point, given the amount of miles they do.
(04 Nov 2017, 4:53 pm)mb134 Honestly? Every bus is going to break down at some point, given the amount of miles they do.
(04 Nov 2017, 4:59 pm)Dan Is that not BLM's exact point?
We've gone to great length in suggesting that Streetlites are terrible buses which breakdown. But in reality, as you say, every bus is going to incur faults, be off the road, etc, at one point or another.
In this instance; it's not a Streetlite which has broken down, but a Pulsar.
(04 Nov 2017, 4:59 pm)Dan Is that not BLM's exact point?
We've gone to great length in suggesting that Streetlites are terrible buses which breakdown. But in reality, as you say, every bus is going to incur faults, be off the road, etc, at one point or another.
In this instance; it's not a Streetlite which has broken down, but a Pulsar.
(04 Nov 2017, 4:59 pm)Dan Is that not BLM's exact point?
We've gone to great length in suggesting that Streetlites are terrible buses which breakdown. But in reality, as you say, every bus is going to incur faults, be off the road, etc, at one point or another.
In this instance; it's not a Streetlite which has broken down, but a Pulsar.
(04 Nov 2017, 5:19 pm)mb134 So, can we expect a "Look, it isn't just Streetlites that break down" post every time a bus breaks down now?
(04 Nov 2017, 4:59 pm)Dan Is that not BLM's exact point?
We've gone to great length in suggesting that Streetlites are terrible buses which breakdown. But in reality, as you say, every bus is going to incur faults, be off the road, etc, at one point or another.
In this instance; it's not a Streetlite which has broken down, but a Pulsar.
(04 Nov 2017, 5:19 pm)mb134 So, can we expect a "Look, it isn't just Streetlites that break down" post every time a bus breaks down now?
Oh right, didn't know that, Wright should do that then instead of using a 5 litre Engine in a double decker with a four speed Voith Gearbox.
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Again there was 2 examples of the x1 again today. There is only 5 streetlites which go to Darlington depot compared to 21 pulsars which are older how ever the streetlites are in the pits more often and get towed back to the depot more often. I can remember Ian Bradley saying that it was the second arriva streetlite he had towed back to different depots that day, I have 1590 & 1593 being towed on YouTube. Even the engineers at Darlington depot said that the streetlites are the most unreliable vehicles they have ever dealt with.
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And there are 28 solos at Darlington and none of them were of today.
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(04 Nov 2017, 10:27 pm)JamesDunkley And there are 28 solos at Darlington and none of them were of today.
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(04 Nov 2017, 10:27 pm)JamesDunkley And there are 28 solos at Darlington and none of them were of today.
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(05 Nov 2017, 11:40 am)tcts24 Maybe I'm opening a can of worms... But how would we all compare a Streetlight with say... A Guy Wulfrunian or a Seddon Pennine RU?
(05 Nov 2017, 11:40 am)tcts24 Maybe I'm opening a can of worms... But how would we all compare a Streetlight with say... A Guy Wulfrunian or a Seddon Pennine RU?
(05 Nov 2017, 12:30 pm)Andreos1 An interesting piece on the Guy.
https://www.aronline.co.uk/facts-and-fig...ulfrunian/
I've definitely not ridden one.
Struggling with the RU. I know Darlington had some, but wasnt sure if OK acquired any.
(05 Nov 2017, 12:30 pm)Andreos1 An interesting piece on the Guy.
https://www.aronline.co.uk/facts-and-fig...ulfrunian/
I've definitely not ridden one.
Struggling with the RU. I know Darlington had some, but wasnt sure if OK acquired any.
(05 Nov 2017, 1:25 pm)tcts24 OK took a Pennine 7 (EBR850S) IN 1978, having checked the fleet history it was the only Seddon they ever had. Darlington on the other hand developed a habbit of buying naff buses eg. Daimler Roadliner, Seddon Penine RU, single deck Dennis Dominator and of course the infamous Ward Dalesman! It would be interesting to see if theres anyone on here old enough to remember some of these buses and can compare them to Solos and Streetlites of today. My native Hartlepool had RU demonstrator HBU451J on loan in 1972. We also had the single deck Dominators but had the good sense to get rid of them in favour of REs a decade older. I'm 35 and I barely remember our Dominators so I can't really pass judgement. I do however remember the rather dire Wadham Stringer bodied Dennis Falcons Hartlepool had. At the time, they were among the younger buses we had available in the town (including much of the Tees fleet) so didn't seem all that bad as a customer. In hind sight though, I'd take a Streetlite any day!
(05 Nov 2017, 1:25 pm)tcts24 OK took a Pennine 7 (EBR850S) IN 1978, having checked the fleet history it was the only Seddon they ever had. Darlington on the other hand developed a habbit of buying naff buses eg. Daimler Roadliner, Seddon Penine RU, single deck Dennis Dominator and of course the infamous Ward Dalesman! It would be interesting to see if theres anyone on here old enough to remember some of these buses and can compare them to Solos and Streetlites of today. My native Hartlepool had RU demonstrator HBU451J on loan in 1972. We also had the single deck Dominators but had the good sense to get rid of them in favour of REs a decade older. I'm 35 and I barely remember our Dominators so I can't really pass judgement. I do however remember the rather dire Wadham Stringer bodied Dennis Falcons Hartlepool had. At the time, they were among the younger buses we had available in the town (including much of the Tees fleet) so didn't seem all that bad as a customer. In hind sight though, I'd take a Streetlite any day!
(05 Nov 2017, 1:25 pm)tcts24 OK took a Pennine 7 (EBR850S) IN 1978, having checked the fleet history it was the only Seddon they ever had. Darlington on the other hand developed a habbit of buying naff buses eg. Daimler Roadliner, Seddon Penine RU, single deck Dennis Dominator and of course the infamous Ward Dalesman! It would be interesting to see if theres anyone on here old enough to remember some of these buses and can compare them to Solos and Streetlites of today. My native Hartlepool had RU demonstrator HBU451J on loan in 1972. We also had the single deck Dominators but had the good sense to get rid of them in favour of REs a decade older. I'm 35 and I barely remember our Dominators so I can't really pass judgement. I do however remember the rather dire Wadham Stringer bodied Dennis Falcons Hartlepool had. At the time, they were among the younger buses we had available in the town (including much of the Tees fleet) so didn't seem all that bad as a customer. In hind sight though, I'd take a Streetlite any day!
(05 Nov 2017, 2:25 pm)James101
Indeed, I don't wish to come running to the defence of the Streetlite, but there's always been some pretty pants buses on the road - we seem to have short memories!
Did anyone ever look at a Caetano Dart, even when new, and say 'What a wonderfully put together machine!'? Yet GNE dispatched them on the X35 along the Durham coast road for years. The Arriva output from Peterlee wasn't all super-powered Deltas, Scanias and Olympians. They had some Metrobuses and ex-london Leyland Olympians which could have rolled back down Crimdon Dene given half a chance. As for passenger comfort, the olympians had solid plastic benches upstairs (no cushions) which by comparison made Urban 90 seating seem luxurious. I always enjoyed Metroriders for their quirkiness, but gosh their performance varied from stabbed rat to elderly tortoise; plus your average passenger presumably didn't appreciate the absolute lack of luggage space, effectively having to sit of your fellow passenger's knee in the cramped saloon. The clue was kinda in the name with the Metrorider, fine as a short-hop city bus, but I'm not convinced even Optare would have sold them on the premise of being ideal for being ragged up Silent Bank on the 22s. One of my favourite buses from my youth was the Lynx, yet I'd pretty sure I've been on some MK1s where the driver has commended the chassis around a left turn but the body has tried to carry on in a straight line.
As for the X1, I'm fairly certain the output from Bishop Aukland on the 1/1B around 15 years ago would have been anything that started up in the morning. Where journeys may have not got any quicker, indeed may be slower with a Streetlite allocation, I think the average passenger would agree their bus to work has got become a nice place to sit over the years. The mechanical merits of Wright vs DAF (for example) may be for us enthusiasts to mull over, but when it comes to the general population I think they's keep their Streetlite over a Prestige.
(05 Nov 2017, 1:25 pm)tcts24 OK took a Pennine 7 (EBR850S) IN 1978, having checked the fleet history it was the only Seddon they ever had. Darlington on the other hand developed a habbit of buying naff buses eg. Daimler Roadliner, Seddon Penine RU, single deck Dennis Dominator and of course the infamous Ward Dalesman! It would be interesting to see if theres anyone on here old enough to remember some of these buses and can compare them to Solos and Streetlites of today. My native Hartlepool had RU demonstrator HBU451J on loan in 1972. We also had the single deck Dominators but had the good sense to get rid of them in favour of REs a decade older. I'm 35 and I barely remember our Dominators so I can't really pass judgement. I do however remember the rather dire Wadham Stringer bodied Dennis Falcons Hartlepool had. At the time, they were among the younger buses we had available in the town (including much of the Tees fleet) so didn't seem all that bad as a customer. In hind sight though, I'd take a Streetlite any day!
(05 Nov 2017, 2:25 pm)James101
Indeed, I don't wish to come running to the defence of the Streetlite, but there's always been some pretty pants buses on the road - we seem to have short memories!
Did anyone ever look at a Caetano Dart, even when new, and say 'What a wonderfully put together machine!'? Yet GNE dispatched them on the X35 along the Durham coast road for years. The Arriva output from Peterlee wasn't all super-powered Deltas, Scanias and Olympians. They had some Metrobuses and ex-london Leyland Olympians which could have rolled back down Crimdon Dene given half a chance. As for passenger comfort, the olympians had solid plastic benches upstairs (no cushions) which by comparison made Urban 90 seating seem luxurious. I always enjoyed Metroriders for their quirkiness, but gosh their performance varied from stabbed rat to elderly tortoise; plus your average passenger presumably didn't appreciate the absolute lack of luggage space, effectively having to sit of your fellow passenger's knee in the cramped saloon. The clue was kinda in the name with the Metrorider, fine as a short-hop city bus, but I'm not convinced even Optare would have sold them on the premise of being ideal for being ragged up Silent Bank on the 22s. One of my favourite buses from my youth was the Lynx, yet I'd pretty sure I've been on some MK1s where the driver has commended the chassis around a left turn but the body has tried to carry on in a straight line.
As for the X1, I'm fairly certain the output from Bishop Aukland on the 1/1B around 15 years ago would have been anything that started up in the morning. Where journeys may have not got any quicker, indeed may be slower with a Streetlite allocation, I think the average passenger would agree their bus to work has got become a nice place to sit over the years. The mechanical merits of Wright vs DAF (for example) may be for us enthusiasts to mull over, but when it comes to the general population I think they's keep their Streetlite over a Prestige.
(05 Nov 2017, 2:25 pm)James101
Indeed, I don't wish to come running to the defence of the Streetlite, but there's always been some pretty pants buses on the road - we seem to have short memories!
Did anyone ever look at a Caetano Dart, even when new, and say 'What a wonderfully put together machine!'? Yet GNE dispatched them on the X35 along the Durham coast road for years. The Arriva output from Peterlee wasn't all super-powered Deltas, Scanias and Olympians. They had some Metrobuses and ex-london Leyland Olympians which could have rolled back down Crimdon Dene given half a chance. As for passenger comfort, the olympians had solid plastic benches upstairs (no cushions) which by comparison made Urban 90 seating seem luxurious. I always enjoyed Metroriders for their quirkiness, but gosh their performance varied from stabbed rat to elderly tortoise; plus your average passenger presumably didn't appreciate the absolute lack of luggage space, effectively having to sit of your fellow passenger's knee in the cramped saloon. The clue was kinda in the name with the Metrorider, fine as a short-hop city bus, but I'm not convinced even Optare would have sold them on the premise of being ideal for being ragged up Silent Bank on the 22s. One of my favourite buses from my youth was the Lynx, yet I'd pretty sure I've been on some MK1s where the driver has commended the chassis around a left turn but the body has tried to carry on in a straight line.
As for the X1, I'm fairly certain the output from Bishop Aukland on the 1/1B around 15 years ago would have been anything that started up in the morning. Where journeys may have not got any quicker, indeed may be slower with a Streetlite allocation, I think the average passenger would agree their bus to work has got become a nice place to sit over the years. The mechanical merits of Wright vs DAF (for example) may be for us enthusiasts to mull over, but when it comes to the general population I think they's keep their Streetlite over a Prestige.
(05 Nov 2017, 2:25 pm)James101
Indeed, I don't wish to come running to the defence of the Streetlite, but there's always been some pretty pants buses on the road - we seem to have short memories!
Did anyone ever look at a Caetano Dart, even when new, and say 'What a wonderfully put together machine!'? Yet GNE dispatched them on the X35 along the Durham coast road for years. The Arriva output from Peterlee wasn't all super-powered Deltas, Scanias and Olympians. They had some Metrobuses and ex-london Leyland Olympians which could have rolled back down Crimdon Dene given half a chance. As for passenger comfort, the olympians had solid plastic benches upstairs (no cushions) which by comparison made Urban 90 seating seem luxurious. I always enjoyed Metroriders for their quirkiness, but gosh their performance varied from stabbed rat to elderly tortoise; plus your average passenger presumably didn't appreciate the absolute lack of luggage space, effectively having to sit of your fellow passenger's knee in the cramped saloon. The clue was kinda in the name with the Metrorider, fine as a short-hop city bus, but I'm not convinced even Optare would have sold them on the premise of being ideal for being ragged up Silent Bank on the 22s. One of my favourite buses from my youth was the Lynx, yet I'd pretty sure I've been on some MK1s where the driver has commended the chassis around a left turn but the body has tried to carry on in a straight line.
As for the X1, I'm fairly certain the output from Bishop Aukland on the 1/1B around 15 years ago would have been anything that started up in the morning. Where journeys may have not got any quicker, indeed may be slower with a Streetlite allocation, I think the average passenger would agree their bus to work has got become a nice place to sit over the years. The mechanical merits of Wright vs DAF (for example) may be for us enthusiasts to mull over, but when it comes to the general population I think they's keep their Streetlite over a Prestige.
(05 Nov 2017, 7:24 pm)Andreos1 As pointed out above, a lot of the 'poorer' businesses dabbled and then moved on.
Even before Metro Cammel folded, they diversified away from buses (seeing them share their expertise with work on the MK4 ECML coaches and the T&W Metro.
Obviously Optare emerged and used the MCW designs for th MetroRiders and also the Spectra's.
The main players like Leyland stood the test of time and although the Lynxes were never as popular as a National (and never would be even if plated in gold), the organisation lasted beyond 86.
Like Seddon, Wrights had specialised in other areas before becoming involved in buses.
I wonder whether they would have lasted, if the others had withstood the pressures?
A Prestige that's brand new versus a brand new Streetlite? I know what I would choose.
A life-expired Prestige still on front line service versus a life-expired Streetlite? I'm guessing only time will tell.
(05 Nov 2017, 7:26 pm)A BusLoverMum The 22 didn't even consistently have low floor buses until the 61 reg pulsars arrived, about the same time it went half hourly. The 21 did, as that did the Sunderland runs from here, when we moved here 14 years ago and Nexus (or was it still Tyne & Wear PTE?) Obviously insisted on it but I couldn't take bigun into Durham on the bus, once he got too big and wriggly for me to carry because I couldn't physically get on the bus with him and a pushchair and shopping. (I guess if you needed to use a wheelchair, you just went to Peterlee to do all your shopping)
But yeah, a few years on and he liked to take walks to the top of Dunelm Road to see if any buses had broken down, there!
(05 Nov 2017, 7:24 pm)Andreos1 As pointed out above, a lot of the 'poorer' businesses dabbled and then moved on.
Even before Metro Cammel folded, they diversified away from buses (seeing them share their expertise with work on the MK4 ECML coaches and the T&W Metro.
Obviously Optare emerged and used the MCW designs for th MetroRiders and also the Spectra's.
The main players like Leyland stood the test of time and although the Lynxes were never as popular as a National (and never would be even if plated in gold), the organisation lasted beyond 86.
Like Seddon, Wrights had specialised in other areas before becoming involved in buses.
I wonder whether they would have lasted, if the others had withstood the pressures?
A Prestige that's brand new versus a brand new Streetlite? I know what I would choose.
A life-expired Prestige still on front line service versus a life-expired Streetlite? I'm guessing only time will tell.
(05 Nov 2017, 7:26 pm)A BusLoverMum The 22 didn't even consistently have low floor buses until the 61 reg pulsars arrived, about the same time it went half hourly. The 21 did, as that did the Sunderland runs from here, when we moved here 14 years ago and Nexus (or was it still Tyne & Wear PTE?) Obviously insisted on it but I couldn't take bigun into Durham on the bus, once he got too big and wriggly for me to carry because I couldn't physically get on the bus with him and a pushchair and shopping. (I guess if you needed to use a wheelchair, you just went to Peterlee to do all your shopping)
But yeah, a few years on and he liked to take walks to the top of Dunelm Road to see if any buses had broken down, there!
(05 Nov 2017, 11:40 am)tcts24 Maybe I'm opening a can of worms... But how would we all compare a Streetlight with say... A Guy Wulfrunian or a Seddon Pennine RU?
(05 Nov 2017, 11:40 am)tcts24 Maybe I'm opening a can of worms... But how would we all compare a Streetlight with say... A Guy Wulfrunian or a Seddon Pennine RU?
The Streetlite is the Ford Fiesta of buses really. Plentiful, affordable, poor ride, little bit rattly but extremely cheap to run and even cheaper to repair.
