Bus Partnerships (multi-operator)
Bus Partnerships (multi-operator)
(04 Apr 2023, 9:09 am)Unber43 Are SC making a profit?
(04 Apr 2023, 9:09 am)Unber43 Are SC making a profit?
Would there be any chance than maybe Newcastle aren't making a profit. Or any profit they are making it being lost from the losses at Shields/ Sunderland & Hartlepool, I wonder if SC may just sack off some of the depots which are lost making e.g Shields, possibly Hartlepool (idk how profitable they're)
(04 Apr 2023, 11:19 am)Unber43 I thought the 10/11 were every 10/12 mins before the pandemic.Nope, they were every 15. Have a look at the old route map from 2018:
I wonder if they might change the 3/4 to every 10 mins combined, every 20 mins separately.
(04 Apr 2023, 11:19 am)Unber43 I thought the 10/11 were every 10/12 mins before the pandemic.Nope, they were every 15. Have a look at the old route map from 2018:
I wonder if they might change the 3/4 to every 10 mins combined, every 20 mins separately.
(04 Apr 2023, 11:29 am)Unber43 Would there be any chance than maybe Newcastle aren't making a profit. Or any profit they are making it being lost from the losses at Shields/ Sunderland & Hartlepool, I wonder if SC may just sack off some of the depots which are lost making e.g Shields, possibly Hartlepool (idk how profitable they're)
(04 Apr 2023, 11:29 am)Unber43 Would there be any chance than maybe Newcastle aren't making a profit. Or any profit they are making it being lost from the losses at Shields/ Sunderland & Hartlepool, I wonder if SC may just sack off some of the depots which are lost making e.g Shields, possibly Hartlepool (idk how profitable they're)
(04 Apr 2023, 8:57 pm)Storx Who knows, have to wait until the next accounts pretty much. Hartlepool is part of the Teesside company though.I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.
Mind I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Newcastle routes don't do well either. There's some very strong routes like the 38, 39, 40, 62 and 63 but others aren't too strong and have had cuts lately. The 6, 7, 71, 72, 87, X63, X77, X78 and X79 in particular.
(04 Apr 2023, 8:57 pm)Storx Who knows, have to wait until the next accounts pretty much. Hartlepool is part of the Teesside company though.I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.
Mind I wouldn't be surprised if some of the Newcastle routes don't do well either. There's some very strong routes like the 38, 39, 40, 62 and 63 but others aren't too strong and have had cuts lately. The 6, 7, 71, 72, 87, X63, X77, X78 and X79 in particular.
(04 Apr 2023, 10:02 pm)Unber43 I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.Wishful thinking.
(04 Apr 2023, 10:02 pm)Unber43 I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.Wishful thinking.
(04 Apr 2023, 10:02 pm)Unber43 I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.
(04 Apr 2023, 10:02 pm)Unber43 I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.
(04 Apr 2023, 10:02 pm)Unber43 I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.I think the issue with Shields depot is, all the services are too frequent basically excluding the 30, X20 and X34. The others are too regular and have more services on long corridors.
(04 Apr 2023, 10:02 pm)Unber43 I wonder if GNE cost cutting may actually be quite strategic as they seem to be the only one making cuts in the past 24 monthsn, especially if they know whats happening with SC, to maybe invest/ buy depots which may not be doing well. Perhaps Shields.I think the issue with Shields depot is, all the services are too frequent basically excluding the 30, X20 and X34. The others are too regular and have more services on long corridors.
(05 Apr 2023, 7:39 am)ifm001 I think the issue with Shields depot is, all the services are too frequent basically excluding the 30, X20 and X34. The others are too regular and have more services on long corridors.I don't think thats just a Shields issue. Its also an issue on the A690 with 23/3/4 or more or less the latter two, they serve similar areas both ends and are every 6 mins combined, on top of the 23 aswell, they are more like every 4 mins.
For example the 3/4/17/18 all operating from the town centre to West Harton, Boldon Lane, via Stanhope Road. All services operating every 12 mins giving a bus every few mins for very low numbers of passengers. This is then complimented with GNE 5 and 50 in addition.
Same with Town Centre to Marsden and the 7/8 every 12 mins with additional services in 10, 11, 12, E1, E2 and E6 all stagecoach.
The service needs to be retained in Shields but perhaps a move back to old timetables of 20/30 min frequencies would be better. If that means take off the single decks and replace with older double decks being released elsewhere, it may be beneficial.
At the minute there is not enough passengers to warrant the frequencies and duplicated corridors as regular as they are now
(05 Apr 2023, 7:39 am)ifm001 I think the issue with Shields depot is, all the services are too frequent basically excluding the 30, X20 and X34. The others are too regular and have more services on long corridors.I don't think thats just a Shields issue. Its also an issue on the A690 with 23/3/4 or more or less the latter two, they serve similar areas both ends and are every 6 mins combined, on top of the 23 aswell, they are more like every 4 mins.
For example the 3/4/17/18 all operating from the town centre to West Harton, Boldon Lane, via Stanhope Road. All services operating every 12 mins giving a bus every few mins for very low numbers of passengers. This is then complimented with GNE 5 and 50 in addition.
Same with Town Centre to Marsden and the 7/8 every 12 mins with additional services in 10, 11, 12, E1, E2 and E6 all stagecoach.
The service needs to be retained in Shields but perhaps a move back to old timetables of 20/30 min frequencies would be better. If that means take off the single decks and replace with older double decks being released elsewhere, it may be beneficial.
At the minute there is not enough passengers to warrant the frequencies and duplicated corridors as regular as they are now
Seen there's a few tweets on Twitter about confusion of ticket acceptance between Arriva & GNE on the Coast Road routes.
Surely if there's any doubt or the QR codes are only set up for paper tickets, drivers should be instructed to radio control (or in Arriva's case switch off and ring control via mobile).
Makes a whole mockery of the partnership. Should be no grey areas, if ticket is valid (whether return / daily/ weekly / monthly / yearly), in date and in the correct zone, it should be accepted, no excuses!
Can’t think of a better place to put this. Seems the bus operators have realised that franchising is an inevitability and are making positive noises about the prospect…
Bus chief open to struggling North East services being put under mayor's control
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...e-26895174
A change of tune?
(12 May 2023, 7:43 am)markydh Can’t think of a better place to put this. Seems the bus operators have realised that franchising is an inevitability and are making positive noises about the prospect…
Bus chief open to struggling North East services being put under mayor's control
(12 May 2023, 7:43 am)markydh Can’t think of a better place to put this. Seems the bus operators have realised that franchising is an inevitability and are making positive noises about the prospect…
Bus chief open to struggling North East services being put under mayor's control
(12 May 2023, 9:17 am)Rob44 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...e-26895174
A change of tune?
(12 May 2023, 9:17 am)Rob44 https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...e-26895174
A change of tune?
Of course they would. It's guaranteed income for them, at a time that they've ran out of ideas and the market is dying a death.
The sad thing is, it should have happened 10 years ago, instead of all the kicking and screaming that changed nothing.
Maybe the new GNE team are actually being more collaborative than the old regime hence the neutral answer compared to the response from MG.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Stagecoach in all this. They operate a relatively good service and are getting dragged down because GNE and ARRIVA lack commercial acumen.
What happens with the alleged ARRIVA withdrawals and how Stagecoach, GNE or whoever react will be very revealing of where current operators stand and how it will compare to their sister operating companies that have reacted pro-activley to similar operator abandonment elsewhere in the UK.
If they effectively chuck the problem back at NEXUS, I can only see thoughts hardening on franchising. North Tyneside would be an interesting test bed. via the back door.
Mind you, given the colossal mess NEXUS made of QCS and the subsequent fallout, I very much doubt they'd be any better
(12 May 2023, 1:17 pm)Adrian Of course they would. It's guaranteed income for them, at a time that they've ran out of ideas and the market is dying a death.
The sad thing is, it should have happened 10 years ago, instead of all the kicking and screaming that changed nothing.
(12 May 2023, 1:17 pm)Adrian Of course they would. It's guaranteed income for them, at a time that they've ran out of ideas and the market is dying a death.
The sad thing is, it should have happened 10 years ago, instead of all the kicking and screaming that changed nothing.
(17 Mar 2023, 5:38 pm)deanmachine So why have they put the Day Rover/Explorer up so much if they're introducing these? Or is this just bus?
Edit: Just realised it specifies multi-modal, but still, why put up the Rover/Explorer? Driving away passengers before reducing fares seems backwards.
(17 Mar 2023, 5:38 pm)deanmachine So why have they put the Day Rover/Explorer up so much if they're introducing these? Or is this just bus?
Edit: Just realised it specifies multi-modal, but still, why put up the Rover/Explorer? Driving away passengers before reducing fares seems backwards.
(12 May 2023, 2:48 pm)DeltaMan Maybe the new GNE team are actually being more collaborative than the old regime hence the neutral answer compared to the response from MG.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Stagecoach in all this. They operate a relatively good service and are getting dragged down because GNE and ARRIVA lack commercial acumen.
What happens with the alleged ARRIVA withdrawals and how Stagecoach, GNE or whoever react will be very revealing of where current operators stand and how it will compare to their sister operating companies that have reacted pro-activley to similar operator abandonment elsewhere in the UK.
If they effectively chuck the problem back at NEXUS, I can only see thoughts hardening on franchising. North Tyneside would be an interesting test bed. via the back door.
Mind you, given the colossal mess NEXUS made of QCS and the subsequent fallout, I very much doubt they'd be any better
(12 May 2023, 2:48 pm)DeltaMan Maybe the new GNE team are actually being more collaborative than the old regime hence the neutral answer compared to the response from MG.
I actually feel a bit sorry for Stagecoach in all this. They operate a relatively good service and are getting dragged down because GNE and ARRIVA lack commercial acumen.
What happens with the alleged ARRIVA withdrawals and how Stagecoach, GNE or whoever react will be very revealing of where current operators stand and how it will compare to their sister operating companies that have reacted pro-activley to similar operator abandonment elsewhere in the UK.
If they effectively chuck the problem back at NEXUS, I can only see thoughts hardening on franchising. North Tyneside would be an interesting test bed. via the back door.
Mind you, given the colossal mess NEXUS made of QCS and the subsequent fallout, I very much doubt they'd be any better
