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Storx

4,645

14 Apr 2024, 12:51 pm #2,981

(14 Apr 2024, 11:44 am)col87 Ok the X10 takes longer than the train but it’s still always packed end to end so that’s not really an excuse. The X5 used to work as did the 231 before Go North East got rid of them so am fairly confident it would work now. My X1 idea would be limited stop so really it would only be. Hartlepool Interchange, Hartlepool Victoria Road, Mill House, Dyke House School, University Hospital, All stops Throston Grange and all stops Hart Village, Dalton Park, Easington Lane clock, Houghton Le Spring, then whatever stop it is to Washington then more or less direct to Newcastle so am fairly sure it would work.

The X10 takes an hour from Peterlee, the X1 from Dalton Park would 90 mins+ though.

That's the big problem, also the slow part of the train is between Hartlepool and Middlesbrough as it goes on a magical detour around Stockton, Hartlepool to Newcastle is much more competitive on the train. Remember the X10, serves Peterlee, Billingham and Stockton which aren't really on the railway line at all aswell and it has had it's frequency cut in half recently aswell.

Edited 14 Apr 2024, 12:52 pm by Storx.

Storx

14 Apr 2024, 12:51 pm #2,981

(14 Apr 2024, 11:44 am)col87 Ok the X10 takes longer than the train but it’s still always packed end to end so that’s not really an excuse. The X5 used to work as did the 231 before Go North East got rid of them so am fairly confident it would work now. My X1 idea would be limited stop so really it would only be. Hartlepool Interchange, Hartlepool Victoria Road, Mill House, Dyke House School, University Hospital, All stops Throston Grange and all stops Hart Village, Dalton Park, Easington Lane clock, Houghton Le Spring, then whatever stop it is to Washington then more or less direct to Newcastle so am fairly sure it would work.

Storx

4,645

14 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm #2,982

(1/1A - Purple, 8 - Green, X2 - Pink, 50 - Blue)

and the Sunderland side looking like this:

(1/1A - Purple, X2/X2A - Pink, 35/35A - Yellow, 16 - Green, Combined - Black)

It would clean up both sides imo, with the 1/1A/16/35 all working together to give a 7.5 minute service (16 dropped in frequency) at the Sunderland side and a much much cleaner service in Washington with the 50 sped up and no real lost links on the 8 as they're mostly covered by the 78 anyway. We might aswell assume it's all franchising soon pretty much.

It's bonkers there's no bus service between Washington and the Stadium of Light, this would now cover it and a new express service with the X2 between Washington and Sunderland. There's way too many stopping buses along Chester Road currently. 7.5 mins is more than enough, with the 78 and 8 (SNE) running there aswell.

Edited 14 Apr 2024, 1:23 pm by Storx.

Storx

14 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm #2,982

Been watching these 2/2A ideas but imo you'd be better making a Sunderland super loop which combines the 2/8 together instead, with expresses running inbetween resulting in this.

1/1A (Sunderland Loop): Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Rickleton - Ayton - Washington - HMRC - Castletown - Southwark - Sunderland
X2: Washington - Fatfield - Penshaw - [LIMITED STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
X2A: Pennywell - [NON STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
39A/B: All terminate at Sunderland

The Washington side as a result would look like this

(1/1A - Purple, 8 - Green, X2 - Pink, 50 - Blue)

and the Sunderland side looking like this:

(1/1A - Purple, X2/X2A - Pink, 35/35A - Yellow, 16 - Green, Combined - Black)

It would clean up both sides imo, with the 1/1A/16/35 all working together to give a 7.5 minute service (16 dropped in frequency) at the Sunderland side and a much much cleaner service in Washington with the 50 sped up and no real lost links on the 8 as they're mostly covered by the 78 anyway. We might aswell assume it's all franchising soon pretty much.

It's bonkers there's no bus service between Washington and the Stadium of Light, this would now cover it and a new express service with the X2 between Washington and Sunderland. There's way too many stopping buses along Chester Road currently. 7.5 mins is more than enough, with the 78 and 8 (SNE) running there aswell.

Andreos1

14,261

14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm #2,983

(14 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm)Storx Been watching these 2/2A ideas but imo you'd be better making a Sunderland super loop which combines the 2/8 together instead, with expresses running inbetween resulting in this.

1/1A (Sunderland Loop): Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Rickleton - Ayton - Washington - HMRC - Castletown - Southwark - Sunderland
X2: Washington - Fatfield - Penshaw - [LIMITED STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
X2A: Pennywell - [NON STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
39A/B: All terminate at Sunderland

The Washington side as a result would look like this

(1/1A - Purple, 8 - Green, X2 - Pink, 50 - Blue)

and the Sunderland side looking like this:

(1/1A - Purple, X2/X2A - Pink, 35/35A - Yellow, 16 - Green, Combined - Black)

It would clean up both sides imo, with the 1/1A/16/35 all working together to give a 7.5 minute service (16 dropped in frequency) at the Sunderland side and a much much cleaner service in Washington with the 50 sped up and no real lost links on the 8 as they're mostly covered by the 78 anyway. We might aswell assume it's all franchising soon pretty much.

It's bonkers there's no bus service between Washington and the Stadium of Light, this would now cover it and a new express service with the X2 between Washington and Sunderland. There's way too many stopping buses along Chester Road currently. 7.5 mins is more than enough, with the 78 and 8 (SNE) running there aswell.

They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Andreos1

14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm #2,983

(14 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm)Storx Been watching these 2/2A ideas but imo you'd be better making a Sunderland super loop which combines the 2/8 together instead, with expresses running inbetween resulting in this.

1/1A (Sunderland Loop): Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Rickleton - Ayton - Washington - HMRC - Castletown - Southwark - Sunderland
X2: Washington - Fatfield - Penshaw - [LIMITED STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
X2A: Pennywell - [NON STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
39A/B: All terminate at Sunderland

The Washington side as a result would look like this

(1/1A - Purple, 8 - Green, X2 - Pink, 50 - Blue)

and the Sunderland side looking like this:

(1/1A - Purple, X2/X2A - Pink, 35/35A - Yellow, 16 - Green, Combined - Black)

It would clean up both sides imo, with the 1/1A/16/35 all working together to give a 7.5 minute service (16 dropped in frequency) at the Sunderland side and a much much cleaner service in Washington with the 50 sped up and no real lost links on the 8 as they're mostly covered by the 78 anyway. We might aswell assume it's all franchising soon pretty much.

It's bonkers there's no bus service between Washington and the Stadium of Light, this would now cover it and a new express service with the X2 between Washington and Sunderland. There's way too many stopping buses along Chester Road currently. 7.5 mins is more than enough, with the 78 and 8 (SNE) running there aswell.

They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

MurdnunoC

3,975

14 Apr 2024, 6:00 pm #2,984

(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.

It was. The 773/774 was later shortened to the 73/74 of which the 73 remained until its withdrawal reletively recently.

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MurdnunoC

14 Apr 2024, 6:00 pm #2,984

(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.

It was. The 773/774 was later shortened to the 73/74 of which the 73 remained until its withdrawal reletively recently.

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Storx

4,645

14 Apr 2024, 7:01 pm #2,985

(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.

Must admit, can't remember that one. Remember the 8 going along Chester Road though, and the 73 I believe which covered that before as mentioned after.

The 8 is just a bizarre route to me, just a long route with arguably very little people wanting to cross Washington as there's alternative services doing the same areas (50 or 78) and not an awful lot along the route. It might've been decent service to get the ship workers to the docks but that boat last sailed over 30 year ago.

Feels like it's a service which is being ran for reasons beyond money at the Eastern side, ie GNE don't want competition between Washington / Castletown and Sunderland.

Edited 14 Apr 2024, 7:04 pm by Storx.

Storx

14 Apr 2024, 7:01 pm #2,985

(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.

Andreos1

14,261

14 Apr 2024, 7:50 pm #2,986

(14 Apr 2024, 7:01 pm)Storx Must admit, can't remember that one. Remember the 8 going along Chester Road though, and the 73 I believe which covered that before as mentioned after.

The 8 is just a bizarre route to me, just a long route with arguably very little people wanting to cross Washington as there's alternative services doing the same areas (50 or 78) and not an awful lot along the route. It might've been decent service to get the ship workers to the docks but that boat last sailed over 30 year ago.

Feels like it's a service which is being ran for reasons beyond money at the Eastern side, ie GNE don't want competition between Washington / Castletown and Sunderland.

Yeah, they renumbered it after a year or so to the 73 and 74.
Then not long after that, it became the 2 and they axed the northern part of the route.
The original numbering presumably designed to work alongside the 775, 777 etc.

One of my biggest issues with the 8 and 50, is that they're timed to basically follow each other from Chester towards Washington AND from Washington towards Chester.
An entire hour to play with and they decide to run them together.

It's been like that for years and I can't see them changing it now.

Edited 14 Apr 2024, 7:52 pm by Andreos1.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Andreos1

14 Apr 2024, 7:50 pm #2,986

(14 Apr 2024, 7:01 pm)Storx Must admit, can't remember that one. Remember the 8 going along Chester Road though, and the 73 I believe which covered that before as mentioned after.

The 8 is just a bizarre route to me, just a long route with arguably very little people wanting to cross Washington as there's alternative services doing the same areas (50 or 78) and not an awful lot along the route. It might've been decent service to get the ship workers to the docks but that boat last sailed over 30 year ago.

Feels like it's a service which is being ran for reasons beyond money at the Eastern side, ie GNE don't want competition between Washington / Castletown and Sunderland.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'

Storx

4,645

14 Apr 2024, 8:17 pm #2,987

(14 Apr 2024, 7:50 pm)Andreos1 Yeah, they renumbered it after a year or so to the 73 and 74.
Then not long after that, it became the 2 and they axed the northern part of the route.
The original numbering presumably designed to work alongside the 775, 777 etc.

One of my biggest issues with the 8 and 50, is that they're timed to basically follow each other from Chester towards Washington AND from Washington towards Chester.
An entire hour to play with and they decide to run them together.

It's been like that for years and I can't see them changing it now.

Ah fairs, interesting.

The whole of East Birtley / SW Washington is just a complete mess if you ask me, got the 8 going express doing arguably nothing, the 50 going on magical mystery tour around every door it can when people actually want to travel through then the 25 and 81/82/82A/83/37 or whatever number we're going for this week existing in some different form every week.

Compete mess, as an understatement and arguably the worst part of the network in the whole of Tyne and Wear other than parts of North Tyneside which is much the same. Hopefully it's the sort of place they get a grip of if franchising comes in rather than doing more of the same.

Edited 14 Apr 2024, 8:19 pm by Storx.

Storx

14 Apr 2024, 8:17 pm #2,987

(14 Apr 2024, 7:50 pm)Andreos1 Yeah, they renumbered it after a year or so to the 73 and 74.
Then not long after that, it became the 2 and they axed the northern part of the route.
The original numbering presumably designed to work alongside the 775, 777 etc.

One of my biggest issues with the 8 and 50, is that they're timed to basically follow each other from Chester towards Washington AND from Washington towards Chester.
An entire hour to play with and they decide to run them together.

It's been like that for years and I can't see them changing it now.

logidoodah

311

26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am #2,988

See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)

*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*

1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map

Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre

5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map

New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre
Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

6 Newcastle → Durham Map

New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle
Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map

New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe
New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park

28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map

New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.
Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital

X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]

New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)

47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]

New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton

48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]

New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)

New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]

No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]

No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)

New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley

56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)

Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)

57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B

New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park
Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.

58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]

Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes

X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)

Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.

Edited 26 Apr 2024, 1:04 am by logidoodah.

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logidoodah

26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am #2,988

Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre

5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map

New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre
Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

6 Newcastle → Durham Map

New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle
Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map

New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe
New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park

28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map

New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.
Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital

X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]

New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)

47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]

New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton

48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]

New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)

New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]

No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]

No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)

New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley

56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)

Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)

57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B

New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park
Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.

58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]

Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes

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V514DFT

2,264

26 Apr 2024, 1:37 pm #2,989

(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)

*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*

1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map
Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre

5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre

Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

6 Newcastle → Durham Map
New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle

Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe

New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park

28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.

Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital

X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]
New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)

47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton

48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)

51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley

56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)

57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park

Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.

58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes

X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)

Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.

What about the South Shields 5/5A?, suppose it could be renumbered 14/14A, and renumber the 26 to 15, and would your 6 effectively be reinstating the 43/44?

Edited 26 Apr 2024, 1:39 pm by V514DFT.

Kind Regards
Tez

V514DFT

26 Apr 2024, 1:37 pm #2,989

(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)

*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*

1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map
Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre

5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre

Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

6 Newcastle → Durham Map
New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle

Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe

New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park

28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.

Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital

X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]
New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)

47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton

48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)

51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley

56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)

57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park

Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.

58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes

X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)

Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.

What about the South Shields 5/5A?, suppose it could be renumbered 14/14A, and renumber the 26 to 15, and would your 6 effectively be reinstating the 43/44?

Kind Regards
Tez

Storx

4,645

26 Apr 2024, 7:15 pm #2,990

(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)

*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*

1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map
Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre

5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre

Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

6 Newcastle → Durham Map
New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle

Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe

New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park

28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.

Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital

X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]
New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)

47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton

48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)

51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley

56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)

57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park

Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.

58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes

X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)

Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.

Some interesting ideas but the Stanley area is still much the same as now personally I'd go more radical and redo most of it so you'd end up with something like

5 (Dark Blue): Newcastle - Metrocentre - Whickham (Parts) - Burnopfield - Dipton - Stanley - 16 Route - Durham
6 (Light Blue): Newcastle - Metrocentre - Whickham (Parts) - Sunniside - Tanfield - Tanfield Lea - Stanley - 16A Route - Durham
7 (Red): Newcastle - Gateshead - Team Valley - Birtley - Ouston - Pelton - West Pelton - Beamish - Stanley
8 (Orange): Consett - `16 Route - Stanley - No Place - Beamish - High Handenhold - Pelton - Current Route - Sunderland
25 (Pink): Newcastle - QE Hospital - Wrekenton - Birtley - Portobello - Chester Le Street - Sacriston - Langley Park
26/26A (Purple): Washington - 82 Route - Birtley - Blackfell Way (26A) or Kibblesworth - Low Fell - Prince Concort Road - Gateshead - Newcastle (26)
71 (Dark Purple): Extended to Stanley via 28 Route, then direct
X70 (Green): Consett - Leadgate - Dipton - Tantobie - Burnopfield - Sunniside - Gateshead
X72: Withdrawn
X30/X31/X71: No Changes
96: Every 30 Minutes, Extended to Newcastle
97: Every 30 Minutes
7/96/97: Every 10 Minutes, Gateshead to Team Valley North

All these routes would be every 30 minutes excluding the X70 which interworks with the X71 for a 30 minute service Burnopfield <> Gateshead. It's much tidier than the mess currently around Birtley, why not actually make some connections people might want ie. Team Valley or Stanley, rather than another bus to Chester Le Street around everywhere.

The 16 from end to end is pretty useless as it is currently aswell as it does an express route on a detour, having a link to Washington or Newcastle / Metrocentre would be much more beneficial from places like Annfield Plain and it's the same number of buses running through as now pretty much taking the X72 away.

Map above

You could even make the case for merging the 1 and 7 together and giving North Tyne links to Team Valley.

Edited 26 Apr 2024, 7:30 pm by Storx.

Storx

26 Apr 2024, 7:15 pm #2,990

(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)

*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*

1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map
Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre

5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre

Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

6 Newcastle → Durham Map
New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle

Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins

10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe

New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park

28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.

Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital

X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]
New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)

47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton

48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)

51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon

53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead

55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley

56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)

57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park

Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.

58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes

X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)

Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.

Map above

You could even make the case for merging the 1 and 7 together and giving North Tyne links to Team Valley.

Unber43

3,567

26 Apr 2024, 8:25 pm #2,991

If youre removing the 16/16A I would increase the X5/X15 to every 20 mins

Unber43

26 Apr 2024, 8:25 pm #2,991

If youre removing the 16/16A I would increase the X5/X15 to every 20 mins

Storx

4,645

26 Apr 2024, 8:44 pm #2,992

(26 Apr 2024, 8:25 pm)Unber43 If youre removing the 16/16A I would increase the X5/X15 to every 20 mins

Not sure you'd need to, there won't be many people travelling from Consett or Leadgate through to Durham using it, it just doesn't make sense. It always come across as a route for driver changeovers rather than being actually useful.

The rest of the route is just the same pretty much, bar you'd use the 5, 6 or 8 instead depending where you are.

Storx

26 Apr 2024, 8:44 pm #2,992

(26 Apr 2024, 8:25 pm)Unber43 If youre removing the 16/16A I would increase the X5/X15 to every 20 mins

DaveFromUpNorth

154

26 Apr 2024, 10:04 pm #2,993

And you see ladies and gentlemen

A classic example on why bus services fail

Too many changes instead of tweaks

Renumbered services is criminal

It doesn't benefit anyone except the office desk the infrequent passenger will be so confused you lose confidence

DaveFromUpNorth

26 Apr 2024, 10:04 pm #2,993

Storx

4,645

27 Apr 2024, 10:50 am #2,994

(26 Apr 2024, 10:04 pm)DaveFromUpNorth And you see ladies and gentlemen

A classic example on why bus services fail

Too many changes instead of tweaks

Renumbered services is criminal

It doesn't benefit anyone except the office desk the infrequent passenger will be so confused you lose confidence

See personally, I'd just argue it's just reverting things to before they decided to meddle with everything which have never really worked leading to gaps allover the place ie. Annfield Plain, South Stanley and Dipton to the Metrocentre, Burnopfield to Durham etc. Want to go to Consett, great there's tonnes of routes but who really wants to go there?

The 16 and 28/29 make absolute no sense going the route they do as both routes are extended doglegs from end to end and the bits inbetween have another services duplicating it anyway whether that's the 78 for the 16 or 8, 34 and 78 for the 28/29.

The 43/44 routes were much better than the crap that has come after them which is too many to count (basically 6/7 above). Sometimes it's better to just hold your hands up and admit the mistake . These routes used to be regularly nearly standing load leaving Newcastle which can't be said about the current 6 whenever I used them.

I know some will bang on about interchanging at Stanley but no-one in their right mind will interchange between 2 30 minute bus services. If one is 5 minutes late you could be waiting for 25 minutes+ which is no doubt the same time as the full journey end to end in a car and since the butchering of the X30/X31 and M6/M7/M8 being removed it's basically what's offered.

Edited 27 Apr 2024, 10:55 am by Storx.

Storx

27 Apr 2024, 10:50 am #2,994

(26 Apr 2024, 10:04 pm)DaveFromUpNorth And you see ladies and gentlemen

A classic example on why bus services fail

Too many changes instead of tweaks

Renumbered services is criminal

It doesn't benefit anyone except the office desk the infrequent passenger will be so confused you lose confidence

L469 YVK

3,557

18 May 2024, 11:01 pm #2,995

Complaint already sent into GNE, but daytime 309's need to be put back via Selby/Malton Gardens if another bus isn't added to the PVR. Timekeeping can't cope with High Farm given how built up it is and that's on top of ever increasing congestion around The Coast and Preston Grange.

At least any time saved could be re-invested along the spots mentioned above.

Sunday service is almost unpredictable too!

Question is would it be financially be better for GNE to pay for an extra bus & driver increasing the PVR to 9x (6x on Sundays) given the 10/15 minute frequency with the 307? Or would GNE be better missing High Farm and keeping a PVR of 8x, but losing potential revenue via High Farm and running 5 minutes behind the 306?

L469 YVK

18 May 2024, 11:01 pm #2,995

DaveFromUpNorth

154

21 May 2024, 2:03 am #2,996

Personally I would introduce the X39 to operate through the day and make it an express route

Newcastle Haymarket - five Swans - corner House then express to bottom of station road (coast road stop of Wiltshire drive) then all stops in Battlehill Drive to Cobalt then change the service to 309 and all stops to Bylth

If a service is running late it can operate as a X39 to Battlehill and pick up time.

This would then stop the need to go up and down every ramp and get stuck at every light possible.

DaveFromUpNorth

21 May 2024, 2:03 am #2,996

Storx

4,645

21 May 2024, 7:10 am #2,997

(21 May 2024, 2:03 am)DaveFromUpNorth Personally I would introduce the X39 to operate through the day and make it an express route

Newcastle Haymarket - five Swans - corner House then express to bottom of station road (coast road stop of Wiltshire drive) then all stops in Battlehill Drive to Cobalt then change the service to 309 and all stops to Bylth

If a service is running late it can operate as a X39 to Battlehill and pick up time.

This would then stop the need to go up and down every ramp and get stuck at every light possible.

Personally I'd up that X39 to every 15 minutes and extend it to Blyth splitting via the 308/309 route in Blyth both every 30 minutes, additionally serving The Silverlink to give Silverlink links and the two bus stops on the Coast Road (no real added time) but at the same time curtail the 308 at Whitley Bay with it going via Battle Hill, you could maybe even link it together with the 306 and create a loop - even maybe via Monkseaton and reinvent the 325/326 in some form which were popular routes at one point.

There's absolutely no need for 6 buses between Whitley Bay and Blyth, it's complete overkill and a waste of resources especially with the traffic issues around the Spanish City adding delays.

ie.
306/308 - Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Jolly Bowman, Every 20 Minutes NT Loop.
X38/X39 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle to Cobalt (Direct), Whitley Bay and Blyth
307 - Every 20 Minutes, Serving all the nooks and crannies, Hadrian Park; Mullen Road etc.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01269...?entry=ttu - Visualisation of the loop for those who can't picture it (modified the 306 to do a bit of the 307).

It's basically how the 43/44/45/X10/X11 work between Newcastle and Cramlington via Gosforth.

Obviously it'll only work once franchising comes in though because of the operator differences.

Edited 21 May 2024, 7:13 am by Storx.

Storx

21 May 2024, 7:10 am #2,997

(21 May 2024, 2:03 am)DaveFromUpNorth Personally I would introduce the X39 to operate through the day and make it an express route

Newcastle Haymarket - five Swans - corner House then express to bottom of station road (coast road stop of Wiltshire drive) then all stops in Battlehill Drive to Cobalt then change the service to 309 and all stops to Bylth

If a service is running late it can operate as a X39 to Battlehill and pick up time.

This would then stop the need to go up and down every ramp and get stuck at every light possible.

ian foster

178

21 May 2024, 8:44 am #2,998

(21 May 2024, 7:10 am)Storx Personally I'd up that X39 to every 15 minutes and extend it to Blyth splitting via the 308/309 route in Blyth both every 30 minutes, additionally serving The Silverlink to give Silverlink links and the two bus stops on the Coast Road (no real added time) but at the same time curtail the 308 at Whitley Bay with it going via Battle Hill, you could maybe even link it together with the 306 and create a loop - even maybe via Monkseaton and reinvent the 325/326 in some form which were popular routes at one point.

There's absolutely no need for 6 buses between Whitley Bay and Blyth, it's complete overkill and a waste of resources especially with the traffic issues around the Spanish City adding delays.

ie.
306/308 - Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Jolly Bowman, Every 20 Minutes NT Loop.
X38/X39 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle to Cobalt (Direct), Whitley Bay and Blyth
307 - Every 20 Minutes, Serving all the nooks and crannies, Hadrian Park; Mullen Road etc.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01269...?entry=ttu - Visualisation of the loop for those who can't picture it (modified the 306 to do a bit of the 307).

It's basically how the 43/44/45/X10/X11 work between Newcastle and Cramlington via Gosforth.

Obviously it'll only work once franchising comes in though because of the operator differences.

Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010

ian foster

21 May 2024, 8:44 am #2,998

(21 May 2024, 7:10 am)Storx Personally I'd up that X39 to every 15 minutes and extend it to Blyth splitting via the 308/309 route in Blyth both every 30 minutes, additionally serving The Silverlink to give Silverlink links and the two bus stops on the Coast Road (no real added time) but at the same time curtail the 308 at Whitley Bay with it going via Battle Hill, you could maybe even link it together with the 306 and create a loop - even maybe via Monkseaton and reinvent the 325/326 in some form which were popular routes at one point.

There's absolutely no need for 6 buses between Whitley Bay and Blyth, it's complete overkill and a waste of resources especially with the traffic issues around the Spanish City adding delays.

ie.
306/308 - Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Jolly Bowman, Every 20 Minutes NT Loop.
X38/X39 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle to Cobalt (Direct), Whitley Bay and Blyth
307 - Every 20 Minutes, Serving all the nooks and crannies, Hadrian Park; Mullen Road etc.

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01269...?entry=ttu - Visualisation of the loop for those who can't picture it (modified the 306 to do a bit of the 307).

It's basically how the 43/44/45/X10/X11 work between Newcastle and Cramlington via Gosforth.

Obviously it'll only work once franchising comes in though because of the operator differences.

Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010

Storx

4,645

21 May 2024, 12:08 pm #2,999

(21 May 2024, 8:44 am)ian foster Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010

The 308 was more about swapping it so the 309 had the fast route instead, it arguably serves more places where people actually want to be, only really Lynn Road which would lose out, especially those wanting to go to Cobalt who don't want to go on a magical mystery tour. Never makes much sense imo the fast bus not serving it bar 'it's always done that'.

Agree Marden, Preston Village and Preston Grange need fast links to Newcastle though to be fair, unsure how though mind. Same with large areas of Monkseaton and the North of Whitley Bay which might aswell not have a bus service at all, it doesn't past 8pm anyway which regardless to it's high car usage (not wrong ofc) is shocking for an urban area imo.

Edited 21 May 2024, 12:09 pm by Storx.

Storx

21 May 2024, 12:08 pm #2,999

(21 May 2024, 8:44 am)ian foster Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010

V514DFT

2,264

21 May 2024, 12:37 pm #3,000

The 308 doesnt go into Battle Hill, it go's along the Coast Road, pre 2010, the 309 used to go along the Coast Road aswell, as Battle Hill had the 75/76, but when they were ditched, the decision was made to have the 309 accompany the 310 through Battle Hill as replacements, personally i'd do something with the X39 since it only runs at peaks i would also revise the 309 to miss out Battle Hill

V514DFT

21 May 2024, 12:37 pm #3,000

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