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Dan   19 Jun 2014, 8:23 pm
(19 Jun 2014, 8:14 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote We just need a GNE insider to come and tell us where they got the information from Big Grin

Does the link on the Tweet you quoted not show a poster-type thing with the price of parking on John Dobson St?

http://ow.ly/i/5XOui
gtom   19 Jun 2014, 8:25 pm
(19 Jun 2014, 8:23 pm)Dan wrote Does the link on the Tweet you quoted not show a poster-type thing with the price of parking on John Dobson St?

http://ow.ly/i/5XOui

Nice of GNE to compare NCP.

Thats akin to showing Waitrose food pricing for inflation
MurdnunoC   19 Jun 2014, 8:28 pm
(19 Jun 2014, 8:19 pm)aureolin wrote Found a handy PDF.

Cheers for that. Might have to add St James Park to my list of parking options.
Andreos1   19 Jun 2014, 8:32 pm
(19 Jun 2014, 8:23 pm)Dan wrote Does the link on the Tweet you quoted not show a poster-type thing with the price of parking on John Dobson St?

http://ow.ly/i/5XOui

Never checked the link to be honest. Just thought it would take me to some blurb on the GNE site.

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Tom   19 Jun 2014, 8:32 pm
(19 Jun 2014, 8:28 pm)AdamY wrote Cheers for that. Might have to add St James Park to my list of parking options.

You could get the bus? Wink
gtom   19 Jun 2014, 8:36 pm
SJP is great to park at but it can get really busy during the week and its closed on matchdays and during events.
MurdnunoC   19 Jun 2014, 8:38 pm
(19 Jun 2014, 8:32 pm)Tom wrote You could get the bus? Wink

I have a car which I'm forced to use to get to/from work as there are no buses available at the times I need to travel. As I'm already forking out money on petrol anyway - why on earth would I fork out more money on bus fares when, most of the time, it's cheaper (and certainly more convenient) for me to use the car?
Andreos1   19 Jun 2014, 9:17 pm
(19 Jun 2014, 8:22 pm)AdamY wrote If I really need to be parked in 'Central Newcastle' - I usually park either behind Central Station or in the Oxford Street multi-storey car-park attached to the Premier Inn. I can't remember how much Forth Street is, but I know it's cheaper than the Oxford Street multi-storey which was priced at £1.30 p/h the last time I used it.

However, on most occasions, I park for free at Rye Hill or Shieldfield depending on where I need to be. I really don't mind the walk to be honest.

Parked behind the central station and Dean St regularly, but apart from visiting the RVI (costs are refunded for parking in their car park for parents with kids being treated), I cant remember the last time I was parked up for a significant period of the day in the town - probably 4/5 years ago to be honest.

I tended to believe the patter about it being cheaper by public transport and having never compared costs, believed said patter.

Now GNE have kindly shown it is dearer to travel by public transport, the car will be stretching its legs a little bit more!

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Andreos1   22 Jun 2014, 9:56 am
http://m.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/a...-1-1121340

Bargain!

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Michael   22 Jun 2014, 10:07 am
(22 Jun 2014, 9:56 am)Andreos Constantopolous wrote http://m.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/a...-1-1121340

Bargain!

Well they kept that a secret!

I wonder if this is to keep NEXUS away

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tyresmoke   22 Jun 2014, 10:08 am
(22 Jun 2014, 10:07 am)Michael wrote Well they kept that a secret!

I wonder if this is to keep NEXUS away

See the published date...

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Andreos1   22 Jun 2014, 10:08 am
(22 Jun 2014, 10:07 am)Michael wrote Well they kept that a secret!

I wonder if this is to keep NEXUS away

I think it was to keep Stagecoach away. Can't remember it lasting too long.

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Michael   22 Jun 2014, 10:14 am
(22 Jun 2014, 10:08 am)tyresmoke wrote See the published date...

lmao... oh dear, can tell iv'e just got up

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Tom   13 Jul 2014, 5:00 pm
Arriva X15

£5.00 Morpeth to Regent Centre
£5.70 Alnwick to Newcastle Huh
nk55   19 Jul 2014, 8:07 am
(15 Jul 2014, 6:28 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Imagine if the tickets were reasonably priced for people living in the region?
Numbers could have been even higher!

I'm off to london soon and need to get from waterloo to piccadilly circus, underground journey time is 4 mins, cost for 2 adults & 2 children £14. Value for money or simple rip off?
Andreos1   19 Jul 2014, 8:18 am
(19 Jul 2014, 8:07 am)nk55 wrote I'm off to london soon and need to get from waterloo to piccadilly circus, underground journey time is 4 mins, cost for 2 adults & 2 children £14. Value for money or simple rip off?

Simple rip off.
Get an Oyster Card and it becomes much cheaper. The prices are designed to encourage use of the card https://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/do...n-2014.pdf

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Dan   19 Jul 2014, 8:40 am
(18 Jul 2014, 9:18 pm)NEBCD Malarkey wrote Back to the Depot by the looks of it.

Correct.

(19 Jul 2014, 8:18 am)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Simple rip off.
Get an Oyster Card and it becomes much cheaper. The prices are designed to encourage use of the card https://www.tfl.gov.uk/cdn/static/cms/do...n-2014.pdf

I don't know how old nk55's two children are, but assuming they're over 11, they would also need to have what would presumably be a Visitor's Oyster Card.
That's four Visitor Oyster Cards, costing £12 plus the £40 pre-loaded credit they'd have in total - a whopping £52.

If nk55 is only making this trip once per year, it's hardly value for money either way... By comparison, to get us back on-topic, you could argue that Go North East's single/return fares are designed to push people onto Key Cards and day tickets - but isn't it free to order a Key Card, and get the discounts which come with it?
GuyParkRoyal   19 Jul 2014, 1:19 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 8:07 am)nk55 wrote I'm off to london soon and need to get from waterloo to piccadilly circus, underground journey time is 4 mins, cost for 2 adults & 2 children £14. Value for money or simple rip off?
If you are not in a hurry it would be cheaper by bus using a 23 & 68 for example. If you don't, have an Oyster card you can use a contactless payment card. Children under 11 travel free on London Buses.
Andreos1   19 Jul 2014, 4:57 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 8:40 am)Dan wrote Correct.


I don't know how old nk55's two children are, but assuming they're over 11, they would also need to have what would presumably be a Visitor's Oyster Card.
That's four Visitor Oyster Cards, costing £12 plus the £40 pre-loaded credit they'd have in total - a whopping £52.

If nk55 is only making this trip once per year, it's hardly value for money either way... By comparison, to get us back on-topic, you could argue that Go North East's single/return fares are designed to push people onto Key Cards and day tickets - but isn't it free to order a Key Card, and get the discounts which come with it?

Suppose it is all semantics, cos we don't know the age of the kids.
Either way, nk55 can avoid paying the prices initially mentioned and not pay more than £8.40 (£7.00 on a weekend) a day if he used an Oyster.

The Key Cards are free, but certainly don't offer the level of fare discounts seen elsewhere - like London.

(19 Jul 2014, 1:19 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote If you are not in a hurry it would be cheaper by bus using a 23 & 68 for example. If you don't, have an Oyster card you can use a contactless payment card. Children under 11 travel free on London Buses.

Do you get the same discounts with contactless payment, or is it full whack?

Edit: same price.
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/cash-...tcmp=17374

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G-CPTN   19 Jul 2014, 5:35 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 4:57 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Suppose it is all semantics, cos we don't know the age of the kids.
You could work it out from:-
waterloo to piccadilly circus, underground journey time is 4 mins, cost for 2 adults & 2 children £14.

All you need to know is what the fare structure is.

I presume that £14 is the total for the family.


It seems that £4.70 is the minimum adult cash fare:-
http://www.londondrum.com/transport/trai...prices.php

Child fare (5 to 10 and 11 to 15) is £2.30.
(From:-
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...nd+Station&FromId=940GZZLUWLO&To=Piccadilly+Circus+Underground+Station&ToId=940GZZLUPCC&PassengerType=Age5To10

and:-

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...nd+Station&FromId=940GZZLUWLO&To=Piccadilly+Circus+Underground+Station&ToId=940GZZLUPCC&PassengerType=Age11To15)

16 and over pay full cash fare (£4.70)
Cash fares are very nearly double what an Oyster user pays.
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MurdnunoC   19 Jul 2014, 5:43 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 4:57 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote The Key Cards are free, but certainly don't offer the level of fare discounts seen elsewhere - like London.

I have an Oyster Card. I've actually used it more than my Key Card over the last few years through my visits to The National Archives. I was persuaded to obtain one after learning about how much I could save. The card was posted to my home address without any problems or restrictions.

Oyster Cards do cost £5. However it must be said that this is a deposit not a charge. If I wanted my £5 back I could quite simply return the card.
GuyParkRoyal   19 Jul 2014, 5:46 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 4:57 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Suppose it is all semantics, cos we don't know the age of the kids.
Either way, nk55 can avoid paying the prices initially mentioned and not pay more than £8.40 (£7.00 on a weekend) a day if he used an Oyster.

The Key Cards are free, but certainly don't offer the level of fare discounts seen elsewhere - like London.


Do you get the same discounts with contactless payment, or is it full whack?

Edit: same price.
https://www.tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/cash-...tcmp=17374
As you have pointed out in your link to the tfl website the price of a single bus journey is the same for Oyster or contactless at £1.45 per adult journey. However there is an advantage with Oyster if you are making multiple bus journeys there is a maximum charge of £4.40 per day whereas contactless payment does not benefit from the £4.40 capped value.
Andreos1   19 Jul 2014, 5:56 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 5:35 pm)G-CPTN wrote You could work it out from:-

All you need to know is what the fare structure is.

I presume that £14 is the total for the family.


It seems that £4.70 is the minimum adult cash fare:-
http://www.londondrum.com/transport/trai...prices.php

Child fare (5 to 10 and 11 to 15) is £2.30.
(From:-
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...nd+Station&FromId=940GZZLUWLO&To=Piccadilly+Circus+Underground+Station&ToId=940GZZLUPCC&PassengerType=Age5To10

and:-

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payments...nd+Station&FromId=940GZZLUWLO&To=Piccadilly+Circus+Underground+Station&ToId=940GZZLUPCC&PassengerType=Age11To15)

16 and over pay full cash fare (£4.70)

I thought kids under 11 were free?
Or is that restricted to the tube?

(19 Jul 2014, 5:43 pm)AdamY wrote I have an Oyster Card. I've actually used it more than my Key Card over the last few years through my visits to The National Archives. I was persuaded to obtain one after learning about how much I could save. The card was posted to my home address without any problems or restrictions.

Oyster Cards do cost £5. However it must be said that this is a deposit not a charge. If I wanted my £5 back I could quite simply return the card.

Same here.
It appears the cost for a visitor card is £3 now.
Family members have used ours more than we have - with most of my trips in London on the tube being a connection between National Rail stations.
It does save a lot of money and can make trips affordable.

Haven't got a Key Card.
The Network One weekly ticket (sometimes a Day Rover/Explorer) meet my needs financially and give me the flexibility I need (that GNE don't provide).
One the very rare occasions I need to use GNE and nowt but them, a one or two zone ticket does the job - begrudgingly paying the ridiculous single fares when heading on a one way trip to a railway station.

(19 Jul 2014, 5:46 pm)GuyParkRoyal wrote As you have pointed out in your link to the tfl website the price of a single bus journey is the same for Oyster or contactless at £1.45 per adult journey. However there is an advantage with Oyster if you are making multiple bus journeys there is a maximum charge of £4.40 per day whereas contactless payment does not benefit from the £4.40 capped value.

bargain!

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G-CPTN   19 Jul 2014, 6:07 pm
I presume that you cannot use one Oyster card to pay for more than one person?

Is there a delay between 'debits'? - or does it rely on touching in and touching out?

What about contactless debit cards? Can one card be used for several people travelling together?

If you send the Visitor Oyster Card to the address below, you can get a refund of any remaining credit:
TfL Customer Services, 14 Pier Walk, 4th Floor, London, SE10 0ES.
Please remember to include a covering letter explaining why you are returning the card. You will then be sent a cheque in GBP.

The Oyster card platform is due to be replaced by a contactless payment card system by June 2015.
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MurdnunoC   19 Jul 2014, 6:11 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 5:56 pm)Andreos Constantopolous wrote Same here.
It appears the cost for a visitor card is £3 now.
Family members have used mine more than me - with most of my trips in London on the tube being a connection between National Rail stations.
It does save a lot of money and can make trips affordable.

Haven't got a Key Card.
The Network One weekly ticket (sometimes a Day Rover/Explorer) meet my needs financially and give me the flexibility I need (that GNE don't provide).
One the very rare occasions I need to use GNE and nowt but them, a one or two zone ticket does the job - begrudgingly paying the ridiculous single fares when heading on a one way trip to a railway station.

I don't have a visitors card. Because I was making regular trips it was easier for me to apply for a regular card like, I suppose, any other resident of London would. I made savings whenever I visited London and, as I said, I could easily hand my card back to TfL to redeem my initial £5 deposit which effectively makes my card free.

I did contemplate getting a visitors card but I found the process complicated in the senise that you had to find outlets which had cards in stock. Also, I don't think you get your money back on a visitors card and I didn't feel like paying £3 every time I visited the capital in order to save a few quid here and there.
citaro5284   19 Jul 2014, 6:12 pm
All about the Oyster capping. Daily capping is different if you use the Tube

https://www.tfl.gov.uk/fares-and-payment...ce-capping
Andreos1   19 Jul 2014, 6:14 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 6:07 pm)G-CPTN wrote I presume that you cannot use one Oyster card to pay for more than one person?

Is there a delay between 'debits'? - or does it rely on touching in and touching out?

What about contactless debit cards? Can one card be used for several people travelling together?

If you touch in and out, the cheapest fare is calculated for that journey.
Monies are deducted by the end of the day.
I imagine there will be a penalty for not touching out.
Each traveller needs their own card

I imagine one debit card can be used multiple times/purchases.

(19 Jul 2014, 6:11 pm)AdamY wrote I don't have a visitors card. Because I was making regular trips it was easier for me to apply for a regular card like, I suppose, any other resident of London would. I made savings whenever I visited London and, as I said, I could easily hand my card back to TfL to redeem my initial £5 deposit which effectively makes my card free.

I did contemplate getting a visitors card but I found the process complicated in the senise that you had to find outlets which had cards in stock. Also, I don't think you get your money back on a visitors card and I didn't feel like paying £3 every time I visited the capital in order to save a few quid here and there.

Ditto.
May be wrong, but pretty sure the only card available when I first needed to travel down there, was the normal card.

Top ups can sit until your first 'touch in', giving it another upper hand over Key

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nk55   19 Jul 2014, 6:28 pm
Tfl have a strange zone system, i.e if your journey contains 2 zones its the same cost as 1 zone. Sorry mods maybe these posts should be moved out of the gne thread.
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Andreos1   19 Jul 2014, 6:31 pm
(19 Jul 2014, 6:28 pm)nk55 wrote Tfl have a strange zone system, i.e if your journey contains 2 zones its the same cost as 1 zone. Sorry mods maybe these posts should be moved out of the gne thread.

Just as an example, here is a screen shot of the last trip down there on my card
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Andreos1   20 Jul 2014, 12:32 pm
On one again...

But if only bus operators had the same thoughts Rolleyes
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