MetroDecker
MetroDecker
(24 Jun 2014, 5:58 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Yeah but Stagecoach have ordered Volvo B5LH's with the New E400 Bodywork in a Partnership between Volvo and Alexander Dennis, So surely that Partnership between Alexander and Volvo would allow for the B8TL to happen, and I would think Wrightbus would also have some input on this Partnership also.
(24 Jun 2014, 5:58 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Yeah but Stagecoach have ordered Volvo B5LH's with the New E400 Bodywork in a Partnership between Volvo and Alexander Dennis, So surely that Partnership between Alexander and Volvo would allow for the B8TL to happen, and I would think Wrightbus would also have some input on this Partnership also.
Whether I agree or not, I honestly think that if there was a huge demand for larger engines at euro 6 standard, then we'd be seeing one in production as we speak. From a manufacturing point of view it makes no sense to not enter a market where there's both a gap and demand. There not being one (that we know of) in production tells me that operators aren't demanding the same as enthusiasts.
But GNE when replacing the B9TL and B5LH in about 7-8 years time could do the following:
- ADL Integral for Cobalt Clipper (15+2), Fab 56 (15+2), Angel (18+2) and if it goes down the same route and the Cobalts and Fab 56 went through with double deck upgrades, the Crusader (14+2).
- Volvo B8TL option for the TEN (13+2), Red Arrows (14+2) and TTX (7+1).
In total, the ADL Integral option would generate 81 orders including spares and the B8TL option would generate 42 orders including spares in total creating 123 orders to ADL from GNE alone.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:15 pm)aureolin Whether I agree or not, I honestly think that if there was a huge demand for larger engines at euro 6 standard, then we'd be seeing one in production as we speak. From a manufacturing point of view it makes no sense to not enter a market where there's both a gap and demand. There not being one (that we know of) in production tells me that operators aren't demanding the same as enthusiasts.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:15 pm)aureolin Whether I agree or not, I honestly think that if there was a huge demand for larger engines at euro 6 standard, then we'd be seeing one in production as we speak. From a manufacturing point of view it makes no sense to not enter a market where there's both a gap and demand. There not being one (that we know of) in production tells me that operators aren't demanding the same as enthusiasts.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:26 pm)Andreos Constantopolous I wonder if the manufacturers are trying to meet the financial requirements of the operator - whilst being unable to meet the performance needs?
Technology will possibly find a middle ground...
According to reports, the b5 has struggled to keep to timetable in both Edinburgh and on Tyneside - however affordable it may be.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:26 pm)Andreos Constantopolous I wonder if the manufacturers are trying to meet the financial requirements of the operator - whilst being unable to meet the performance needs?
Technology will possibly find a middle ground...
According to reports, the b5 has struggled to keep to timetable in both Edinburgh and on Tyneside - however affordable it may be.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:21 pm)DaveyBowyer But GNE when replacing the B9TL and B5LH in about 7-8 years time could do the following:You can't predict what technology will be there next week nevermind in 7-8 years time.
- ADL Integral for Cobalt Clipper (15+2), Fab 56 (15+2), Angel (18+2) and if it goes down the same route and the Cobalts and Fab 56 went through with double deck upgrades, the Crusader (14+2).
- Volvo B8TL option for the TEN (13+2), Red Arrows (14+2) and TTX (7+1).
In total, the ADL Integral option would generate 81 orders including spares and the B8TL option would generate 42 orders including spares in total creating 123 orders to ADL from GNE alone.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:21 pm)DaveyBowyer But GNE when replacing the B9TL and B5LH in about 7-8 years time could do the following:You can't predict what technology will be there next week nevermind in 7-8 years time.
- ADL Integral for Cobalt Clipper (15+2), Fab 56 (15+2), Angel (18+2) and if it goes down the same route and the Cobalts and Fab 56 went through with double deck upgrades, the Crusader (14+2).
- Volvo B8TL option for the TEN (13+2), Red Arrows (14+2) and TTX (7+1).
In total, the ADL Integral option would generate 81 orders including spares and the B8TL option would generate 42 orders including spares in total creating 123 orders to ADL from GNE alone.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:34 pm)aureolin Scania do both 13.0 six cylinder and 16.0 v8 truck engines capable of 250-730bhp whilst still meeting Euro 6 emission standards, so the technology is at least there.
I really don't know about the financials. I think it makes less financial sense to rapidly increase the rate of depreciation of your assets, as your not necessarily getting value of money from them. putting them on unsuitable routes does just that. you wouldn't think the first lot of Gemini's are only a year older than the ex red arrows Citaros...
(24 Jun 2014, 6:34 pm)aureolin Scania do both 13.0 six cylinder and 16.0 v8 truck engines capable of 250-730bhp whilst still meeting Euro 6 emission standards, so the technology is at least there.
I really don't know about the financials. I think it makes less financial sense to rapidly increase the rate of depreciation of your assets, as your not necessarily getting value of money from them. putting them on unsuitable routes does just that. you wouldn't think the first lot of Gemini's are only a year older than the ex red arrows Citaros...
(24 Jun 2014, 6:46 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Except a truck engine power to weight ratio is totally different to a bus.the point was more that engines of that size and power are being produced to euro 6 emission standards. it's a start.
You stick a big powerful lump in the front of a tractor unit and don't need to take into account low floors etc. Some even have the 'nose' like a RM or similar to the ones you see in the movies.
It is essentially designed to haul the trailer.
Scania or whoever else, need to reduce those engines in size, whilst squeezing out fuel costs and maintaining performance.
As for the next point, I agree.
Not sure who will buy a bus with a knackered, worn out engine.
I imagine the resell value will have been factored into the initial outlay - whether those costs were predicted to be more than they possibly could be, is another thing.
(24 Jun 2014, 6:46 pm)Andreos Constantopolous Except a truck engine power to weight ratio is totally different to a bus.the point was more that engines of that size and power are being produced to euro 6 emission standards. it's a start.
You stick a big powerful lump in the front of a tractor unit and don't need to take into account low floors etc. Some even have the 'nose' like a RM or similar to the ones you see in the movies.
It is essentially designed to haul the trailer.
Scania or whoever else, need to reduce those engines in size, whilst squeezing out fuel costs and maintaining performance.
As for the next point, I agree.
Not sure who will buy a bus with a knackered, worn out engine.
I imagine the resell value will have been factored into the initial outlay - whether those costs were predicted to be more than they possibly could be, is another thing.
Errrrmmm haven't Optare already done this Three times in the form of the Tempo/Versa and MetroCity, or am I completely wrong.
http://www.route-one.net/vehicles/optare...trodecker/
(14 Oct 2014, 10:55 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Errrrmmm haven't Optare already done this Three times in the form of the Tempo/Versa and MetroCity, or am I completely wrong.
http://www.route-one.net/vehicles/optare...trodecker/
(14 Oct 2014, 10:55 pm)NEBCD Malarkey Errrrmmm haven't Optare already done this Three times in the form of the Tempo/Versa and MetroCity, or am I completely wrong.
http://www.route-one.net/vehicles/optare...trodecker/
http://www.route-one.net/vehicles/test-d...trodecker/
There is a review of the Metrodecker elsewhere on the site.
It compared favourably to other deckers on the market, but the author didn't seem too keen on its rivals - with a comment which I thought was quite negative.
It will be interesting to see how they last, being the lightweight vehicles that they are.