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24 May 2020, 9:00 pm #101
(24 May 2020, 8:32 pm)Malarkey I know covid 19 hasn't helped but you have to feel for Wrightbus employees for what they've been through over the past 18 months or so, I think they'll complete the current orders which are months behind now and then wind up the business.
If WrightBus couldn't complete GNE's orders for any reason, would GNE be insured to then either get their money back and perhaps order vehicles elsewhere?
L469 YVK
24 May 2020, 9:00 pm #101

(24 May 2020, 8:32 pm)Malarkey I know covid 19 hasn't helped but you have to feel for Wrightbus employees for what they've been through over the past 18 months or so, I think they'll complete the current orders which are months behind now and then wind up the business.
If WrightBus couldn't complete GNE's orders for any reason, would GNE be insured to then either get their money back and perhaps order vehicles elsewhere?

Michael



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24 May 2020, 9:05 pm #102
(24 May 2020, 9:00 pm)L469 YVK If WrightBus couldn't complete GNE's orders for any reason, would GNE be insured to then either get their money back and perhaps order vehicles elsewhere?

Sure it was said before that they only pay them after they've been completed.

(24 May 2020, 8:32 pm)Malarkey I know covid 19 hasn't helped but you have to feel for Wrightbus employees for what they've been through over the past 18 months or so, I think they'll complete the current orders which are months behind now and then wind up the business.

Hope not Sad
Edited 24 May 2020, 9:05 pm by Michael.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
24 May 2020, 9:05 pm #102

(24 May 2020, 9:00 pm)L469 YVK If WrightBus couldn't complete GNE's orders for any reason, would GNE be insured to then either get their money back and perhaps order vehicles elsewhere?

Sure it was said before that they only pay them after they've been completed.

(24 May 2020, 8:32 pm)Malarkey I know covid 19 hasn't helped but you have to feel for Wrightbus employees for what they've been through over the past 18 months or so, I think they'll complete the current orders which are months behind now and then wind up the business.

Hope not Sad


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

cainebj



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17 Feb 2021, 3:41 pm #103
Photos have started to appear on Flickr of the new prototype single deck bus, currently on trials in Ipswich.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dartspryte...952169518/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/186424735@...952044958/
cainebj
17 Feb 2021, 3:41 pm #103

Photos have started to appear on Flickr of the new prototype single deck bus, currently on trials in Ipswich.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dartspryte...952169518/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/186424735@...952044958/

17 Feb 2021, 4:41 pm #104
(17 Feb 2021, 3:41 pm)cainebj Photos have started to appear on Flickr of the new prototype single deck bus, currently on trials in Ipswich.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dartspryte...952169518/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/186424735@...952044958/

I'm still on the fence with the StreetDeck styling on a single decker, it looks like it's wearing a flat cap with the destination blind sticking out the front!
streetdeckfan
17 Feb 2021, 4:41 pm #104

(17 Feb 2021, 3:41 pm)cainebj Photos have started to appear on Flickr of the new prototype single deck bus, currently on trials in Ipswich.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dartspryte...952169518/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/186424735@...952044958/

I'm still on the fence with the StreetDeck styling on a single decker, it looks like it's wearing a flat cap with the destination blind sticking out the front!

17 Feb 2021, 4:57 pm #105
Whats the chance Go North East order some of them
MichealAaron
17 Feb 2021, 4:57 pm #105

Whats the chance Go North East order some of them

17 Feb 2021, 5:41 pm #106
(17 Feb 2021, 4:57 pm)MichealAaron Whats the chance Go North East order some of them

If they stick with the OM936 engine in it, probably slim to none.
If they put the OM934 engine in, and the price is good. I could see them ordering a fair few next time round.
streetdeckfan
17 Feb 2021, 5:41 pm #106

(17 Feb 2021, 4:57 pm)MichealAaron Whats the chance Go North East order some of them

If they stick with the OM936 engine in it, probably slim to none.
If they put the OM934 engine in, and the price is good. I could see them ordering a fair few next time round.

mb134



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17 Feb 2021, 7:37 pm #107
3 speed Voith box seems strange, especially coupled with the OM936 engine. Would have thought that, since it seems to be designed for more heavy duty work, they'd have put a 6-speed ZF Ecolife in there.

Mind I'm not sure I get the excitement surrounding it. It's a heavy duty single deck which, according to operators, isn't required? Or have they realised that Streetlites and 4-cyl E200s aren't all they made them out to be?
mb134
17 Feb 2021, 7:37 pm #107

3 speed Voith box seems strange, especially coupled with the OM936 engine. Would have thought that, since it seems to be designed for more heavy duty work, they'd have put a 6-speed ZF Ecolife in there.

Mind I'm not sure I get the excitement surrounding it. It's a heavy duty single deck which, according to operators, isn't required? Or have they realised that Streetlites and 4-cyl E200s aren't all they made them out to be?

17 Feb 2021, 8:42 pm #108
(17 Feb 2021, 7:37 pm)mb134 3 speed Voith box seems strange, especially coupled with the OM936 engine. Would have thought that, since it seems to be designed for more heavy duty work, they'd have put a 6-speed ZF Ecolife in there.

Mind I'm not sure I get the excitement surrounding it. It's a heavy duty single deck which, according to operators, isn't required? Or have they realised that Streetlites and 4-cyl E200s aren't all they made them out to be?
3 speeds are still a thing?!

Assuming it's based on the same chassis as the StreetDeck, there should be no reason for it to not come with the same drivetrain options.

Do we actually know much about the underpinnings of it?

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streetdeckfan
17 Feb 2021, 8:42 pm #108

(17 Feb 2021, 7:37 pm)mb134 3 speed Voith box seems strange, especially coupled with the OM936 engine. Would have thought that, since it seems to be designed for more heavy duty work, they'd have put a 6-speed ZF Ecolife in there.

Mind I'm not sure I get the excitement surrounding it. It's a heavy duty single deck which, according to operators, isn't required? Or have they realised that Streetlites and 4-cyl E200s aren't all they made them out to be?
3 speeds are still a thing?!

Assuming it's based on the same chassis as the StreetDeck, there should be no reason for it to not come with the same drivetrain options.

Do we actually know much about the underpinnings of it?

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17 Feb 2021, 9:10 pm #109
(17 Feb 2021, 8:42 pm)streetdeckfan 3 speeds are still a thing?!

Assuming it's based on the same chassis as the StreetDeck, there should be no reason for it to not come with the same drivetrain options.

Do we actually know much about the underpinnings of it?

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It reminds me of this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=wright+eclipse+3&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGnurw6fHuAhU3QEEAHdRJCfkQ_AUoAXoECBcQAQ&biw=712&bih=1138#imgrc=0lenYMQpWJ3ogM

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ASX_Terranova
17 Feb 2021, 9:10 pm #109

(17 Feb 2021, 8:42 pm)streetdeckfan 3 speeds are still a thing?!

Assuming it's based on the same chassis as the StreetDeck, there should be no reason for it to not come with the same drivetrain options.

Do we actually know much about the underpinnings of it?

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It reminds me of this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=wright+eclipse+3&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGnurw6fHuAhU3QEEAHdRJCfkQ_AUoAXoECBcQAQ&biw=712&bih=1138#imgrc=0lenYMQpWJ3ogM


Twitter: @ASX_Terranova
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17 Feb 2021, 9:13 pm #110
(17 Feb 2021, 9:10 pm)ASX_Terranova It reminds me of this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=wright+eclipse+3&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGnurw6fHuAhU3QEEAHdRJCfkQ_AUoAXoECBcQAQ&biw=712&bih=1138#imgrc=0lenYMQpWJ3ogM

Yeah, it's just the integral version.
Similar to how they have the B5s and StreetDeck
streetdeckfan
17 Feb 2021, 9:13 pm #110

(17 Feb 2021, 9:10 pm)ASX_Terranova It reminds me of this:
https://www.google.com/search?q=wright+eclipse+3&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&prmd=isnv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiGnurw6fHuAhU3QEEAHdRJCfkQ_AUoAXoECBcQAQ&biw=712&bih=1138#imgrc=0lenYMQpWJ3ogM

Yeah, it's just the integral version.
Similar to how they have the B5s and StreetDeck

Malarkey



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17 Feb 2021, 9:57 pm #111
Bodywork is no different to that of the Wrightbus Volvo B8RLE's  which Lothian Buses have, just an alternate chassis option given the success they've had with orders on the Double Deck variant.
Malarkey
17 Feb 2021, 9:57 pm #111

Bodywork is no different to that of the Wrightbus Volvo B8RLE's  which Lothian Buses have, just an alternate chassis option given the success they've had with orders on the Double Deck variant.

17 Feb 2021, 10:08 pm #112
(17 Feb 2021, 9:57 pm)Malarkey Bodywork is no different to that of the Wrightbus Volvo B8RLE's  which Lothian Buses have, just an alternate chassis option given the success they've had with orders on the Double Deck variant.

I'd imagine there are some minor changes between the two, kinda like how the B5 and StreetDecks are slightly different because of the different lengths
streetdeckfan
17 Feb 2021, 10:08 pm #112

(17 Feb 2021, 9:57 pm)Malarkey Bodywork is no different to that of the Wrightbus Volvo B8RLE's  which Lothian Buses have, just an alternate chassis option given the success they've had with orders on the Double Deck variant.

I'd imagine there are some minor changes between the two, kinda like how the B5 and StreetDecks are slightly different because of the different lengths

Storx



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17 Feb 2021, 11:04 pm #113
(17 Feb 2021, 9:57 pm)Malarkey Bodywork is no different to that of the Wrightbus Volvo B8RLE's  which Lothian Buses have, just an alternate chassis option given the success they've had with orders on the Double Deck variant.

Are you sure about that? I haven't seen the inside of these new ones but the Lothian ones are just literally Eclipses with a new frontend.

https://busesandbits.smugmug.com/Bus-Dri...Year-2017/ - It's really noticeable when you see the back / interior.

They remind me of the Transbus Enviro 300 designwise though.
Storx
17 Feb 2021, 11:04 pm #113

(17 Feb 2021, 9:57 pm)Malarkey Bodywork is no different to that of the Wrightbus Volvo B8RLE's  which Lothian Buses have, just an alternate chassis option given the success they've had with orders on the Double Deck variant.

Are you sure about that? I haven't seen the inside of these new ones but the Lothian ones are just literally Eclipses with a new frontend.

https://busesandbits.smugmug.com/Bus-Dri...Year-2017/ - It's really noticeable when you see the back / interior.

They remind me of the Transbus Enviro 300 designwise though.

mb134



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17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm #114
(17 Feb 2021, 11:04 pm)Storx They remind me of the Transbus Enviro 300 designwise though.

In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.
mb134
17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm #114

(17 Feb 2021, 11:04 pm)Storx They remind me of the Transbus Enviro 300 designwise though.

In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.

17 Feb 2021, 11:33 pm #115
(17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)mb134 In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.

I personally think the E200 MMC is one of the ugliest single deckers, not quite as bad as the gormless ALX200, but the asymmetric front end just looks like it's having a stroke.

I think the StreetLite is alright, it's not the best, but it's pretty inoffensive. 

Like I said, I'm still on the fence about Wright's 'stealth' single deckers, the destination blind sticks out too much for my liking
streetdeckfan
17 Feb 2021, 11:33 pm #115

(17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)mb134 In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.

I personally think the E200 MMC is one of the ugliest single deckers, not quite as bad as the gormless ALX200, but the asymmetric front end just looks like it's having a stroke.

I think the StreetLite is alright, it's not the best, but it's pretty inoffensive. 

Like I said, I'm still on the fence about Wright's 'stealth' single deckers, the destination blind sticks out too much for my liking

mb134



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17 Feb 2021, 11:44 pm #116
(17 Feb 2021, 11:33 pm)streetdeckfan I personally think the E200 MMC is one of the ugliest single deckers, not quite as bad as the gormless ALX200, but the asymmetric front end just looks like it's having a stroke.

I think the StreetLite is alright, it's not the best, but it's pretty inoffensive. 

Like I said, I'm still on the fence about Wright's 'stealth' single deckers, the destination blind sticks out too much for my liking

One day I like them, next I think they're ugly. Tbh it likely comes down to what the livery is like. I think this looks reasonably smart: https://flic.kr/p/2kprKCE, but then this one looks weird: https://flic.kr/p/2kzhweh

I think I just prefer what I'd call "proper" single decks, ones that looked like they'd be able to cope with anything. Stuff like the entire Wright Eclipse Urban/Solar/Pulsar line, the Renown, the ELC European, hell even the Temsa Avenue. The StreetLite and E200MMC to me always just looked like mini/midibuses which had been stretched - much like those X-GGO Darts ANE had a few years back.
mb134
17 Feb 2021, 11:44 pm #116

(17 Feb 2021, 11:33 pm)streetdeckfan I personally think the E200 MMC is one of the ugliest single deckers, not quite as bad as the gormless ALX200, but the asymmetric front end just looks like it's having a stroke.

I think the StreetLite is alright, it's not the best, but it's pretty inoffensive. 

Like I said, I'm still on the fence about Wright's 'stealth' single deckers, the destination blind sticks out too much for my liking

One day I like them, next I think they're ugly. Tbh it likely comes down to what the livery is like. I think this looks reasonably smart: https://flic.kr/p/2kprKCE, but then this one looks weird: https://flic.kr/p/2kzhweh

I think I just prefer what I'd call "proper" single decks, ones that looked like they'd be able to cope with anything. Stuff like the entire Wright Eclipse Urban/Solar/Pulsar line, the Renown, the ELC European, hell even the Temsa Avenue. The StreetLite and E200MMC to me always just looked like mini/midibuses which had been stretched - much like those X-GGO Darts ANE had a few years back.

Storx



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17 Feb 2021, 11:48 pm #117
(17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)mb134 In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.

Nice looking buses them tbf and agreed tbh. Wright try too much lately imo, the basic designs they had before was always nicer imo. Alexander Dennis aswell.

(17 Feb 2021, 11:33 pm)streetdeckfan I personally think the E200 MMC is one of the ugliest single deckers, not quite as bad as the gormless ALX200, but the asymmetric front end just looks like it's having a stroke.

I think the StreetLite is alright, it's not the best, but it's pretty inoffensive. 

Like I said, I'm still on the fence about Wright's 'stealth' single deckers, the destination blind sticks out too much for my liking

It's no-where near the ugliest single mind, not even Wright.

That goes to the Handybus that looks like the glass fell over when they we're designing it and they just thought meh that's pretty cool - https://www.flickr.com/photos/andysbusph...2456640111 the alignment is off everywhere aswell. Ugly things.
Storx
17 Feb 2021, 11:48 pm #117

(17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)mb134 In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.

Nice looking buses them tbf and agreed tbh. Wright try too much lately imo, the basic designs they had before was always nicer imo. Alexander Dennis aswell.

(17 Feb 2021, 11:33 pm)streetdeckfan I personally think the E200 MMC is one of the ugliest single deckers, not quite as bad as the gormless ALX200, but the asymmetric front end just looks like it's having a stroke.

I think the StreetLite is alright, it's not the best, but it's pretty inoffensive. 

Like I said, I'm still on the fence about Wright's 'stealth' single deckers, the destination blind sticks out too much for my liking

It's no-where near the ugliest single mind, not even Wright.

That goes to the Handybus that looks like the glass fell over when they we're designing it and they just thought meh that's pretty cool - https://www.flickr.com/photos/andysbusph...2456640111 the alignment is off everywhere aswell. Ugly things.

18 Feb 2021, 12:10 am #118
(17 Feb 2021, 11:44 pm)mb134 One day I like them, next I think they're ugly. Tbh it likely comes down to what the livery is like. I think this looks reasonably smart: https://flic.kr/p/2kprKCE, but then this one looks weird: https://flic.kr/p/2kzhweh

I think I just prefer what I'd call "proper" single decks, ones that looked like they'd be able to cope with anything. Stuff like the entire Wright Eclipse Urban/Solar/Pulsar line, the Renown, the ELC European, hell even the Temsa Avenue. The StreetLite and E200MMC to me always just looked like mini/midibuses which had been stretched - much like those X-GGO Darts ANE had a few years back.

I actually prefer the First one (by that I mean the second image, of the First branded bus lol)

But, I think just changing the black panel on the front to match makes it look 10x better.

[Image: Greener-Arrow.jpg]

[Image: E200-First.jpg]

(17 Feb 2021, 11:48 pm)Storx Nice looking buses them tbf and agreed tbh. Wright try too much lately imo, the basic designs they had before was always nicer imo. Alexander Dennis aswell.


It's no-where near the ugliest single mind, not even Wright.

That goes to the Handybus that looks like the glass fell over when they we're designing it and they just thought meh that's pretty cool - https://www.flickr.com/photos/andysbusph...2456640111 the alignment is off everywhere aswell. Ugly things.

I did say 'one' of the ugliest!
Edited 18 Feb 2021, 12:11 am by streetdeckfan.
streetdeckfan
18 Feb 2021, 12:10 am #118

(17 Feb 2021, 11:44 pm)mb134 One day I like them, next I think they're ugly. Tbh it likely comes down to what the livery is like. I think this looks reasonably smart: https://flic.kr/p/2kprKCE, but then this one looks weird: https://flic.kr/p/2kzhweh

I think I just prefer what I'd call "proper" single decks, ones that looked like they'd be able to cope with anything. Stuff like the entire Wright Eclipse Urban/Solar/Pulsar line, the Renown, the ELC European, hell even the Temsa Avenue. The StreetLite and E200MMC to me always just looked like mini/midibuses which had been stretched - much like those X-GGO Darts ANE had a few years back.

I actually prefer the First one (by that I mean the second image, of the First branded bus lol)

But, I think just changing the black panel on the front to match makes it look 10x better.

[Image: Greener-Arrow.jpg]

[Image: E200-First.jpg]

(17 Feb 2021, 11:48 pm)Storx Nice looking buses them tbf and agreed tbh. Wright try too much lately imo, the basic designs they had before was always nicer imo. Alexander Dennis aswell.


It's no-where near the ugliest single mind, not even Wright.

That goes to the Handybus that looks like the glass fell over when they we're designing it and they just thought meh that's pretty cool - https://www.flickr.com/photos/andysbusph...2456640111 the alignment is off everywhere aswell. Ugly things.

I did say 'one' of the ugliest!

Jimmi



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19 Feb 2021, 2:13 pm #119
(17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)mb134 In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.
I had one of the Wright bodied B8RLEs with East Coast Buses a few month back and my god it was awful, never experienced rattling like it before making for an unpleasant ride, somehow made me glad to be on an E200MMC afterwards (Borders Buses 253). The MCV eVoRa doesn't seem as bad as the Wright bodies on the same chassis, have found the Volvo B5TL with EvoSeti double decker bodies better than the Gemini 3s like GNE have, same can't quite be said for looks but otherwise MCV seems better IMO.
Jimmi
19 Feb 2021, 2:13 pm #119

(17 Feb 2021, 11:14 pm)mb134 In terms of design I much prefer the Evora bodywork Lothian have on their new batch of B8s, the Lothian livery possibly helps given it is quite angular itself mind.

https://flic.kr/p/2kCh6Kb
https://flic.kr/p/2kzPatz

That said, I think I prefer both the Wright bodywork and the MCV one to the E200 MMC at this point, and both are substantially better looking than a Streetlite.
I had one of the Wright bodied B8RLEs with East Coast Buses a few month back and my god it was awful, never experienced rattling like it before making for an unpleasant ride, somehow made me glad to be on an E200MMC afterwards (Borders Buses 253). The MCV eVoRa doesn't seem as bad as the Wright bodies on the same chassis, have found the Volvo B5TL with EvoSeti double decker bodies better than the Gemini 3s like GNE have, same can't quite be said for looks but otherwise MCV seems better IMO.

19 Feb 2021, 3:05 pm #120
(19 Feb 2021, 2:13 pm)Jimmi I had one of the Wright bodied B8RLEs with East Coast Buses a few month back and my god it was awful, never experienced rattling like it before making for an unpleasant ride, somehow made me glad to be on an E200MMC afterwards (Borders Buses 253). The MCV eVoRa doesn't seem as bad as the Wright bodies on the same chassis, have found the Volvo B5TL with EvoSeti double decker bodies better than the Gemini 3s like GNE have, same can't quite be said for looks but otherwise MCV seems better IMO.

The main issue with GNE's B5 Gemini 3s seems to be the access panels upstairs at the front and on the staircase. They make a hell of a rattle. A bit of door seal tape on them and they'll probably be fine!
streetdeckfan
19 Feb 2021, 3:05 pm #120

(19 Feb 2021, 2:13 pm)Jimmi I had one of the Wright bodied B8RLEs with East Coast Buses a few month back and my god it was awful, never experienced rattling like it before making for an unpleasant ride, somehow made me glad to be on an E200MMC afterwards (Borders Buses 253). The MCV eVoRa doesn't seem as bad as the Wright bodies on the same chassis, have found the Volvo B5TL with EvoSeti double decker bodies better than the Gemini 3s like GNE have, same can't quite be said for looks but otherwise MCV seems better IMO.

The main issue with GNE's B5 Gemini 3s seems to be the access panels upstairs at the front and on the staircase. They make a hell of a rattle. A bit of door seal tape on them and they'll probably be fine!

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