Stagecoach 2016/2017 order
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(12/04/2016, 22:03)Kuyoyo Wrote: Order announced yesterday. First vehicles ready at Falkirk today Wink

One has been identified as Glasgow-bound E400MMC 10511 (SN16 OLU).

That was quick haha.
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#22
And further ones that are on-delivery:

E400MMC 10534/5 (SN16 OMY/Z) - 10534 seen below
[Image: 25825448423_b5b5bf160a_c.jpg]SN16OMY by MOD571P, on Flickr
The first 2 of the first batch of 18 for Liverpool Gilmoss

E200MMC 37431-3 (SN16 OPV/W/X) - first of 9 for King's Lynn for CoastHopper which should be 37431-9 (SN16 OPV/W/X/Z/ORC/F-J).

EDIT: As of now, all new Stagecoach vehicles will be delivered with e-leather seating
EDIT2: The rest of the Gilmoss order (bar 10551) are as followed:
10536 SN16 ONA 
10537 SN16 ONB 
10538 SN16 ONC 
10539 SN16 OND 
10540 SN16 ONF 
10541 SN16 ONG 
10542 SN16 ONH 
10543 SN16 ONJ 
10544 SN16 ONK 
10545 SN16 ONL 
10546 SN16 ONM 
10547 SN16 ONO 
10548 SN16 ONP 
10549 SN16 ONR 
10550 SN16 ONS
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#23
As we know, fulll details of the 2016/7 order have yet to be released. However, I have heard three comments about Manchester - two from reliable sources, and all three are very similar to each other. Suffice to say, that further substantial investment is expected over the Summer. This would fit in with aspirations to have only Euro4 or better buses running on or near to the various Quality Bus Corridors by the time the Oxford Road corridor down to Manchester Royal Infirmary is completed towards the end of the year. This is a voluntary scheme (broadly similar to London's LEZ) which will take in the full Guided Busway route from Leigh/Atherton through Salford, Manchester city centre and along Oxford Road. Based on long established routes the latter will effectively extend beyond MRI through Fallowfield to Withington and into Didsbury. It will also incorporate the Rochdale Road corridor from Middleton through North Manchester, into Piccadilly and along Portland Street.
For those that don't know, this scheme is the reason for MagicBus operations receiving early Euro4 E400s (as against Euro3s), as well as 6 re-engined ex LOndon Tridents from Gillmoss
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#24
Further details now confirmed elsewhere:
  • 65 'Gold' vehicles are due - 40 E400MMCs (the first non-Scania chassis examples) and 25 11.8m E200MMCs
  • The 6 Solo SRs are Silmline versions for King's Lynn depot
A second Glasgow-bound example is now confirmed as 10512 (SN16 OLV).
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#25
(17/04/2016, 18:29)Kuyoyo Wrote: Further details now confirmed elsewhere:
  • 65 'Gold' vehicles are due - 40 E400MMCs (the first non-Scania chassis examples) and 20 11.8m E200MMCs
  • The 6 Solo SRs are Silmline versions for King's Lynn depot
A second Glasgow-bound example is now confirmed as 10512 (SN16 OLV).

Do you know where the "Gold" ones are going?
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#26
(17/04/2016, 18:29)Kuyoyo Wrote: Further details now confirmed elsewhere:

  • 65 'Gold' vehicles are due - 40 E400MMCs (the first non-Scania chassis examples) and 20 11.8m E200MMCs
  • The 6 Solo SRs are Silmline versions for King's Lynn depot
A second Glasgow-bound example is now confirmed as 10512 (SN16 OLV).

Do you think that the Scania chassis on the E400MMC bodywork will be the last 'heavy duty' decker to be produced on the market? Not dissing Streetdecks or ADL Integrals for that matter as particularly the later have proven themselves more than capable if well looked after and so should the former overtime.
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(17/04/2016, 18:34)DaveyBowyer Wrote: Do you think that the Scania chassis on the E400MMC bodywork will be the last 'heavy duty' decker to be produced on the market? Not dissing Streetdecks or ADL Integrals for that matter as particularly the later have proven themselves more than capable if well looked after and so should the former overtime.

I would now be amazed if Scania sell many Euro6 vehicles. See below for the reason regarding why there's no Scanias on order this year

mbonwick (source: http://www.railforums.co.uk/showpost.php...stcount=30) Wrote:Scania are not flavour of the year - they refuse to fit electric cooling fans (instead insisting on belt driven ones) and were making noises about the modification program last year invalidating warranties. Plus Stagecoach were unwilling to keep paying for an external contractor to modify them.

Goes without saying that a demand-responsive fan leads to a noiceable fuel saving over one that's always on.
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#28
(17/04/2016, 19:01)Kuyoyo Wrote: I would now be amazed if Scania sell many Euro6 vehicles. See below for the reason regarding why there's no Scanias on order this year

Just read the point, couldn't open the link but totally agree. I do think it should be down to the operator as to whether or not they want the fan belt on constantly. Wonder if Stagecoach would consider using ZF Ecolife Gearboxes (same as Arriva) for their interurban / rural routes though for any future orders.
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#29
I think some of the buses will be for the Lakes 555 as they are due a upgrade. So will be interesting to see if they get E400MMCs how they cope.
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#30
(17/04/2016, 19:13)DaveyBowyer Wrote: Just read the point, couldn't open the link but totally agree. I do think it should be down to the operator as to whether or not they want the fan belt on constantly. Wonder if Stagecoach would consider using ZF Ecolife Gearboxes (same as Arriva) for their interurban / rural routes though for any future orders.

Stagecoach have a long standing partnership with Voith so I doubt any ZFs will be in the Integral orders.
ZFs work better with the Cummins ISBe compared to Voiths though.
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#31
One of the King's Lynn E200MMC on Delivery

[Image: 25845192933_5c8791ece3_c.jpg]SN16ORC by MOD571P, on Flickr
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#32
(17/04/2016, 22:28)South Tyne Lad Wrote: Stagecoach have a long standing partnership with Voith so I doubt any ZFs will be in the Integral orders.
ZFs work better with the Cummins ISBe compared to Voiths though.

Got to bear in mind that whilst Stagecoach have a good partnership with Voith, then unless Scania clean up their act and tailor the needs of the new N250UD to Stagecoach, then a ZF Gearbox coupled with a Cummins ISBe engine would be better suited to the interurban type of work that a Scania would traditionally be used for and therefore, Voith wouldn't lose out on any trade as the ADL E400s with the Scania chassis / engine already have ZF Ecomat (Ecolife MMC onwards) gearboxes fitted.

Voith gearboxes are more suited to being s**t of the mark around towns and cities whereas the ZF Gearbox is desgined to give a more smooth and continuous power delivery.
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#33
The last of the 'Coasthopper' E200MMCs at Falkirk

[Image: 25906467673_3635fb7d05_c.jpg]ald263 by Gordon Scott, on Flickr

As you can see, it looks like all new vehicles will be delivered with the high-back Lazzerini Pratico 3840 seating.
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#34
(18/04/2016, 23:43)Kuyoyo Wrote: The last of the 'Coasthopper' E200MMCs at Falkirk

[Image: 25906467673_3635fb7d05_c.jpg]ald263 by Gordon Scott, on Flickr

As you can see, it looks like all new vehicles will be delivered with the high-back Lazzerini Pratico 3840 seating.

If this is indeed the last one, it hasn't left Falkirk yet, as one in this livery was still there this evening, albeit it did look like it was getting ready to depart.
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#35
At Alexander Dennis, Falkirk this evening were a number of Stagecoach E400MMCs, one of which was:
SN16OMY

Given the reported registrations so far, i assume this is one of the last for Glasgow?
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#36
As mentioned in the Stagecoach Latest thread - April 2016:

mrnuts comment: I'd have a guess that the decision to transfer it will be because of the new buses that are expected for Walkergate and would've been a bus that was transferred away if it had returned.

http://www.northeastbuses.co.uk/forum/sh...755&page=6


It seems Walkergate are expected to get new buses with this order.
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#37
It appears Leamington Spa have some TfL deckers in the yard.

No idea if these are staying put and replacing step entrance deckers or are for something/somewhere else.

I am guessing they have been released from London due to arrivals down there.
'Illegitimis non carborundum'
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#38
(24/04/2016, 21:08)Andreos1 Wrote: It appears Leamington Spa have some TfL deckers in the yard.

No idea if these are staying put and replacing step entrance deckers or are for something/somewhere else.

I am guessing they have been released from London due to arrivals down there.

Are they examples of the ones that Stagecoach have been purchasing via Ensign for spares? Other ones have appeared in Portsmouth and in Rugby.
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#39
(24/04/2016, 21:14)Darryl1976 Wrote: Are they examples of the ones that Stagecoach have been purchasing via Ensign for spares? Other ones have appeared in Portsmouth and in Rugby.

No idea.
Saw them from the train window and was unable to get reg details or fleet numbers unfortunately.

I noted 2 or 3.
Some were parked backing on to the tracks and there was at least one inside the depot buildings.
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#40
The 2016 Stagecoach Bus Fleetbook has been released to certain people, and this has been posted on 'RailUK Forum'

10511 - 10525 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Glasgow.
10526 - 10533 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Aberdeen.
10534 - 10551 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Gillmoss.
10552 - 10563 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Kendal.
10564 - 10577 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Gillmoss.
10578 - 10630 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Stockport.
10631 - 10654 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Walkergate.
10655 - 10663 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Barnsley.
10664 - 10666 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Worksop.
10667 - 10687 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Oxford.
10688 - 10697 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Exeter.
10698 - 10700 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Winchester.
10701 - 10725 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Folkestone.
10726 - 10733 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Leamington.
10734 - 10748 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Hull.
10749 - 10760 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Chester?
10761 - 10778 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Aldershot.
10779 - 10788 ADL Enviro 400 MMC for Oxford.
All the above are 10.9m Euro 6 variants.

12364 - 12401 ADL Enviro 400H MMC for Plumstead.

26041 - 26049 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Winchester.
26050 - 26062 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Chester.
26063 - 26080 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Slatyford.
26081 - 26087 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Chesterfield.
26088 - 26111 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Porth.
All the above are 11.9m variants.

36609 - 36621 ADL Enviro 200 MMC 10.5m for Bromley.

37431 - 37439 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Norfolk Green.
37440 - 37444 ADL Enviro 200 MMC for Rock Ferry.
All the above are 10.9m variants.

44001 - 44030 Mercedes Benz Sprinter City 45 for ?
48031 - 48036 Optare Solo M990 SL for Norfolk Green.
54277 - 54283 Volvo B11R 15m for Rugby.
54284 Volvo B11R 13.8m for East Scotland.
54331 - 54333 Volvo B11R 15m for East Scotland.
54334 - 54441 Volvo B11R 15m for West Scotland.
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