Bus Services Bill
Bus Services Bill
(16 Aug 2016, 10:41 am)G-CPTN How on Earth can you 'save money' by setting up companies to expand bus services to areas not currently covered?If you put it in to context and include the extract from the article:
Are there untapped revenues out there that the current private companies are ignoring?
The Labour leader promised to expand bus services to areas not currently covered, to give councils franchising powers over their bus networks, and to allow them to set up "municipal bus companies".
(16 Aug 2016, 10:59 am)eezypeazy Mr Corbyn's bus services will take people to the sunny uplands where people will be able to harvest five-pound notes from low-hanging branches on the world-famous money trees!
(16 Aug 2016, 10:41 am)G-CPTN How on Earth can you 'save money' by setting up companies to expand bus services to areas not currently covered?If you put it in to context and include the extract from the article:
Are there untapped revenues out there that the current private companies are ignoring?
The Labour leader promised to expand bus services to areas not currently covered, to give councils franchising powers over their bus networks, and to allow them to set up "municipal bus companies".
(16 Aug 2016, 10:59 am)eezypeazy Mr Corbyn's bus services will take people to the sunny uplands where people will be able to harvest five-pound notes from low-hanging branches on the world-famous money trees!
(16 Aug 2016, 10:41 am)G-CPTN How on Earth can you 'save money' by setting up companies to expand bus services to areas not currently covered?
Are there untapped revenues out there that the current private companies are ignoring?
(16 Aug 2016, 10:41 am)G-CPTN How on Earth can you 'save money' by setting up companies to expand bus services to areas not currently covered?
Are there untapped revenues out there that the current private companies are ignoring?
(16 Aug 2016, 4:46 pm)Andreos1 The many millions of pounds given to shareholders will cease.
(16 Aug 2016, 4:46 pm)Andreos1 The many millions of pounds given to shareholders will cease.
(17 Aug 2016, 8:30 am)eezypeazy Oh dear... doesn't that mean that the many billions of pounds invested by shareholders in trains and buses will also cease?As opposed to the selling off of publicly owned companies and getting a nice little few quid - but then not seeing any more income from that now privatised business, but giving them money in various guises? Like we have seen with buses, trains, banks, elements of the health sector...
So shareholders will invest their money elsewhere - possibly overseas - making it a double-whammy - overseas countries suddenly get investors interested in helping their businesses grow by investing in them, while the UK transport industry needs public investment by the Labour government, that doesn't have any money, so they go out and borrow it at what are presently historically low interest rates, which are not attractive to today's investors... so the government has difficulty raising cash that way, so resorts to good old-fashioned taxes to do it... which makes us all poorer!
Don'tcha just love left-wing politics?
(17 Aug 2016, 8:30 am)eezypeazy Oh dear... doesn't that mean that the many billions of pounds invested by shareholders in trains and buses will also cease?As opposed to the selling off of publicly owned companies and getting a nice little few quid - but then not seeing any more income from that now privatised business, but giving them money in various guises? Like we have seen with buses, trains, banks, elements of the health sector...
So shareholders will invest their money elsewhere - possibly overseas - making it a double-whammy - overseas countries suddenly get investors interested in helping their businesses grow by investing in them, while the UK transport industry needs public investment by the Labour government, that doesn't have any money, so they go out and borrow it at what are presently historically low interest rates, which are not attractive to today's investors... so the government has difficulty raising cash that way, so resorts to good old-fashioned taxes to do it... which makes us all poorer!
Don'tcha just love left-wing politics?
Magic money tree strikes again:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport...21241.html
He admitted that the Night Tube would take three years to break even and would cost £24.6 million a year to run, with projected income for the first year of £20 million.
Many passengers will effectively be able to travel free because journeys started before 4.30am will be counted as part of the previous day’s travel and therefore included in the Oyster card fare-capping system.
(17 Aug 2016, 8:30 am)eezypeazy Oh dear... doesn't that mean that the many billions of pounds invested by shareholders in trains and buses will also cease?
So shareholders will invest their money elsewhere - possibly overseas - making it a double-whammy - overseas countries suddenly get investors interested in helping their businesses grow by investing in them, while the UK transport industry needs public investment by the Labour government, that doesn't have any money, so they go out and borrow it at what are presently historically low interest rates, which are not attractive to today's investors... so the government has difficulty raising cash that way, so resorts to good old-fashioned taxes to do it... which makes us all poorer!
Don'tcha just love left-wing politics?
Two technical queries:
1. What has trains got to do with extend the Bus Services Bill provisions to the whole of the UK BUS operating industry?
2. I thought the main "shareholder" investing billions in Britain's trains was the Tax-payer.
Its interesting that those who decry what they themselves call "left wing politics", talk endlessly about investors, shareholders, entrepreneurs, politicians, bureaucrats etc etc. but hardly ever mention customers, passengers etc.
(17 Aug 2016, 8:30 am)eezypeazy Oh dear... doesn't that mean that the many billions of pounds invested by shareholders in trains and buses will also cease?
So shareholders will invest their money elsewhere - possibly overseas - making it a double-whammy - overseas countries suddenly get investors interested in helping their businesses grow by investing in them, while the UK transport industry needs public investment by the Labour government, that doesn't have any money, so they go out and borrow it at what are presently historically low interest rates, which are not attractive to today's investors... so the government has difficulty raising cash that way, so resorts to good old-fashioned taxes to do it... which makes us all poorer!
Don'tcha just love left-wing politics?
Two technical queries:
1. What has trains got to do with extend the Bus Services Bill provisions to the whole of the UK BUS operating industry?
2. I thought the main "shareholder" investing billions in Britain's trains was the Tax-payer.
Its interesting that those who decry what they themselves call "left wing politics", talk endlessly about investors, shareholders, entrepreneurs, politicians, bureaucrats etc etc. but hardly ever mention customers, passengers etc.
http://www.parliament.uk/business/commit...ill-16-17/
Details of submission process with regard to the Bus Bill and associated TOR's.
A problem with democracy is that there is always a vocal minority that have unrealistic expectations, whether it be benefits or services.
Who wouldn't want free public transport serving every outlying settlement? - and not just once a week (there are inevitably residents who might be able to work or shop were such connections available).
Unfortunately, wherever there are people who take it into their own hands by buying a car for their own use this reduces the number of potential passengers available to make such services commercially viable (even subsidised services require a 'potential' revenue before the subsidy is granted).
Of course the corollary is that if there was universal frequent public service connections then people wouldn't provide their own transport (well, some would, inevitably, but they aren't those who would choose to use public transport regardless of the availability).
I recently attended a local consultation for the future development of a market place.
The weekly market is a shadow of what it used to be, and the majority of those who had bothered to attend and submit proposals are in favour of excluding through traffic (and vehicle parking) thus accelerating the demise of the town which is bleeding footfall.
The bus station is currently in progress of being moved further out of the centre of the town, and removing the possibility of access into the centre (the market place) will compound the move to out-of town shopping centres.
(18 Aug 2016, 9:11 am)Andreos1 http://www.parliament.uk/business/commit...ill-16-17/
Details of submission process with regard to the Bus Bill and associated TOR's.
(18 Aug 2016, 9:11 am)Andreos1 http://www.parliament.uk/business/commit...ill-16-17/
Details of submission process with regard to the Bus Bill and associated TOR's.
(17 Aug 2016, 1:09 pm)eezypeazy Magic money tree strikes again:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport...21241.html
He admitted that the Night Tube would take three years to break even and would cost £24.6 million a year to run, with projected income for the first year of £20 million.
Many passengers will effectively be able to travel free because journeys started before 4.30am will be counted as part of the previous day’s travel and therefore included in the Oyster card fare-capping system.
(18 Aug 2016, 1:21 pm)G-CPTN A problem with democracy is that there is always a vocal minority that have unrealistic expectations, whether it be benefits or services.
(17 Aug 2016, 1:09 pm)eezypeazy Magic money tree strikes again:
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport...21241.html
He admitted that the Night Tube would take three years to break even and would cost £24.6 million a year to run, with projected income for the first year of £20 million.
Many passengers will effectively be able to travel free because journeys started before 4.30am will be counted as part of the previous day’s travel and therefore included in the Oyster card fare-capping system.
(18 Aug 2016, 1:21 pm)G-CPTN A problem with democracy is that there is always a vocal minority that have unrealistic expectations, whether it be benefits or services.
(18 Aug 2016, 1:21 pm)G-CPTN A problem with democracy is that there is always a vocal minority that have unrealistic expectations, whether it be benefits or services.
Who wouldn't want free public transport serving every outlying settlement? - and not just once a week (there are inevitably residents who might be able to work or shop were such connections available).
Unfortunately, wherever there are people who take it into their own hands by buying a car for their own use this reduces the number of potential passengers available to make such services commercially viable (even subsidised services require a 'potential' revenue before the subsidy is granted).
Of course the corollary is that if there was universal frequent public service connections then people wouldn't provide their own transport (well, some would, inevitably, but they aren't those who would choose to use public transport regardless of the availability).
(18 Aug 2016, 1:21 pm)G-CPTN A problem with democracy is that there is always a vocal minority that have unrealistic expectations, whether it be benefits or services.
Who wouldn't want free public transport serving every outlying settlement? - and not just once a week (there are inevitably residents who might be able to work or shop were such connections available).
Unfortunately, wherever there are people who take it into their own hands by buying a car for their own use this reduces the number of potential passengers available to make such services commercially viable (even subsidised services require a 'potential' revenue before the subsidy is granted).
Of course the corollary is that if there was universal frequent public service connections then people wouldn't provide their own transport (well, some would, inevitably, but they aren't those who would choose to use public transport regardless of the availability).
(18 Aug 2016, 8:02 pm)Adrian To be fair, 'Night Tube' was a Boris Johnson policy, and you could hardly accuse him of being left-wing!
It's difficult to comment without the full figures. Of course it depends on what their initial projections are. If it didn't break even for three years, but ran at an overall surplus over a 10 year period, then it's a sound investment as far as I'd be concerned.
I wouldn't say it's a problem, but more a positive that people are willing to be vocal to achieve what they so desire. This is no different to the lobbying of Government from boardrooms, mainly trying to ensure that we remain in a race for the bottom.
(18 Aug 2016, 8:02 pm)Adrian To be fair, 'Night Tube' was a Boris Johnson policy, and you could hardly accuse him of being left-wing!
It's difficult to comment without the full figures. Of course it depends on what their initial projections are. If it didn't break even for three years, but ran at an overall surplus over a 10 year period, then it's a sound investment as far as I'd be concerned.
I wouldn't say it's a problem, but more a positive that people are willing to be vocal to achieve what they so desire. This is no different to the lobbying of Government from boardrooms, mainly trying to ensure that we remain in a race for the bottom.
Update from the House of Lords vote on amendments to the bus services bill.
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Politi...vices_Bill
(19 Aug 2016, 1:15 pm)eezypeazy I wonder how long it will be before we hear the cry, "If it's good enough for London, it's good enough for us."
(21 Oct 2016, 10:30 am)GuyParkRoyal Update from the House of Lords vote on amendments to the bus services bill.
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Politi...vices_Bill
(21 Oct 2016, 10:30 am)GuyParkRoyal Update from the House of Lords vote on amendments to the bus services bill.
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Politi...vices_Bill
(21 Oct 2016, 10:30 am)GuyParkRoyal Update from the House of Lords vote on amendments to the bus services bill.
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Politi...vices_Bill
(21 Oct 2016, 10:30 am)GuyParkRoyal Update from the House of Lords vote on amendments to the bus services bill.
http://www.route-one.net/articles/Politi...vices_Bill
