Arriva North East: Order Predictions
Arriva North East: Order Predictions
(25 Jul 2019, 11:01 pm)Multi21 </p><p>Ooooo I know!! Pick Me!!
As of now. No cast offs however something has been ordered for arrival September/October.
Can't disclose any more just yet however this has come straight from the top dog!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Oh... And they are for Jesmond! </p><p>
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</p><p><br></p><p>That's the only bit it fell apart on...? Went for me with the connection between the X12 and X13 being garenteed with two separate buses. Impossible! </p><p>
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(25 Jul 2019, 11:01 pm)Multi21 </p><p>Ooooo I know!! Pick Me!!
As of now. No cast offs however something has been ordered for arrival September/October.
Can't disclose any more just yet however this has come straight from the top dog!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Oh... And they are for Jesmond! </p><p>
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</p><p><br></p><p>That's the only bit it fell apart on...? Went for me with the connection between the X12 and X13 being garenteed with two separate buses. Impossible! </p><p>
(26 Jul 2019, 6:32 am)GNE6312 </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I'm agreeing with you about the connection between the X12 & X13</p><p>The X12 is prone to delay and (tbh) is usually more than a few minutes late</p><p>
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(26 Jul 2019, 6:32 am)GNE6312 </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I'm agreeing with you about the connection between the X12 & X13</p><p>The X12 is prone to delay and (tbh) is usually more than a few minutes late</p><p>
(25 Jul 2019, 11:01 pm)Multi21 </p><p>Ooooo I know!! Pick Me!!
As of now. No cast offs however something has been ordered for arrival September/October.
Can't disclose any more just yet however this has come straight from the top dog!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Oh... And they are for Jesmond! </p><p>
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</p><p><br></p><p>That's the only bit it fell apart on...? Went for me with the connection between the X12 and X13 being garenteed with two separate buses. Impossible! </p><p>
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(25 Jul 2019, 11:01 pm)Multi21 </p><p>Ooooo I know!! Pick Me!!
As of now. No cast offs however something has been ordered for arrival September/October.
Can't disclose any more just yet however this has come straight from the top dog!</p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Oh... And they are for Jesmond! </p><p>
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</p><p><br></p><p>That's the only bit it fell apart on...? Went for me with the connection between the X12 and X13 being garenteed with two separate buses. Impossible! </p><p>
8x ADL Enviro 200MMCs - Redcar FOR relaunched "Coastal Direct" service X4.
Services X3 & X3A will remain allocated Wright StreetLites.
1440 will remain at Redcar as an appropriate spare for all services, with 1560 - 1566 remaining to operate services X3 & X3A, with 1566 as the dedicated spare for these services.
1567 - 1573 To Belmont, this will allow services 22/23/24 to all operate under the same "Sapphire" brand.
1412/1413/1465/1466/1498 To Ashington for services X21/X22, this will ensure all vehicles allocated are the same brand, and offer the same advertised features.
1506/1507 will also transfer as dedicated spares, although will release 1579 & 1580 to Jesmond.
1579 & 1580 will transfer to Jesmond, this allows the withdrawl of 7491 & 7492.
7524 - 7526 will transfer to Darlington for Sapphire 7, this releases 1514 - 1516 to Stockton for service X22.
7527 & 7528 will transfer to Belmont for Sapphire 7, this will ensure all Journeys are Double Deckers allocated, and releases 1522 & 1523 to Jesmond.
7493 & 7494 will be withdrawn as a result of the transfer of 1522 & 1523.
1444 - 1446 will transfer to Blyth, this allows the withdrawl of 1401 - 1403.
(07 Aug 2019, 8:37 pm)S830OFT 8x ADL Enviro 200MMCs - Redcar FOR relaunched "Coastal Direct" service X4.Replacing 2 deckers (7491/2) is not a good idea. Most Desmond services are prone to be too packed on most routes, especially at peak hours and match days. Would not be a good idea, i get on streetlights on routes like the 53 sometimes and they can barely take any more, this cannot happen</p>
Services X3 & X3A will remain allocated Wright StreetLites.
1440 will remain at Redcar as an appropriate spare for all services, with 1560 - 1566 remaining to operate services X3 & X3A, with 1566 as the dedicated spare for these services.
1567 - 1573 To Belmont, this will allow services 22/23/24 to all operate under the same "Sapphire" brand.
1412/1413/1465/1466/1498 To Ashington for services X21/X22, this will ensure all vehicles allocated are the same brand, and offer the same advertised features.
1506/1507 will also transfer as dedicated spares, although will release 1579 & 1580 to Jesmond.
1579 & 1580 will transfer to Jesmond, this allows the withdrawl of 7491 & 7492.
7524 - 7526 will transfer to Darlington for Sapphire 7, this releases 1514 - 1516 to Stockton for service X22.
7527 & 7528 will transfer to Belmont for Sapphire 7, this will ensure all Journeys are Double Deckers allocated, and releases 1522 & 1523 to Jesmond.
7493 & 7494 will be withdrawn as a result of the transfer of 1522 & 1523.
1444 - 1446 will transfer to Blyth, this allows the withdrawl of 1401 - 1403.
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(07 Aug 2019, 8:37 pm)S830OFT 8x ADL Enviro 200MMCs - Redcar FOR relaunched "Coastal Direct" service X4.Replacing 2 deckers (7491/2) is not a good idea. Most Desmond services are prone to be too packed on most routes, especially at peak hours and match days. Would not be a good idea, i get on streetlights on routes like the 53 sometimes and they can barely take any more, this cannot happen</p>
Services X3 & X3A will remain allocated Wright StreetLites.
1440 will remain at Redcar as an appropriate spare for all services, with 1560 - 1566 remaining to operate services X3 & X3A, with 1566 as the dedicated spare for these services.
1567 - 1573 To Belmont, this will allow services 22/23/24 to all operate under the same "Sapphire" brand.
1412/1413/1465/1466/1498 To Ashington for services X21/X22, this will ensure all vehicles allocated are the same brand, and offer the same advertised features.
1506/1507 will also transfer as dedicated spares, although will release 1579 & 1580 to Jesmond.
1579 & 1580 will transfer to Jesmond, this allows the withdrawl of 7491 & 7492.
7524 - 7526 will transfer to Darlington for Sapphire 7, this releases 1514 - 1516 to Stockton for service X22.
7527 & 7528 will transfer to Belmont for Sapphire 7, this will ensure all Journeys are Double Deckers allocated, and releases 1522 & 1523 to Jesmond.
7493 & 7494 will be withdrawn as a result of the transfer of 1522 & 1523.
1444 - 1446 will transfer to Blyth, this allows the withdrawl of 1401 - 1403.
Having experienced the Wright StreetLites on the X4 and other Teeside services, I must admit they need to be removed ASAP as they are significantly unreliable.
Allocaton Plan:
Stockton: 1550 - 1559 To Belmont
Stockton: 1524 - 1533 From Belmont
This will be a straight forward swap, with Pulsars on the 5/5A, and StreetLites on the 6.
Redcar: 1560 - 1573 To Belmont
Redcar: 1412/13/65/66/98/1506/07/17 - 23 From Belmont.
This will see service 22/23/24 receive a full Wright StreetLite allocaton, along with Belmont service 7 journeys also allocated some.
Additionaly, the Pulsars will ensure reliability, and a better quality service with 50% of them having reliable USB changing points.
1440 will remain allocated at Redcar, this will ensure services X3/X4 continue to have an appropriate spare vehicle.
(14 Aug 2019, 5:32 pm)S830OFT Having experienced the Wright StreetLites on the X4 and other Teeside services, I must admit they need to be removed ASAP as they are significantly unreliable.
Allocaton Plan:
Stockton: 1550 - 1559 To Belmont
Stockton: 1524 - 1533 From Belmont
This will be a straight forward swap, with Pulsars on the 5/5A, and StreetLites on the 6.
Redcar: 1560 - 1573 To Belmont
Redcar: 1412/13/65/66/98/1506/07/17 - 23 From Belmont.
This will see service 22/23/24 receive a full Wright StreetLite allocaton, along with Belmont service 7 journeys also allocated some.
Additionaly, the Pulsars will ensure reliability, and a better quality service with 50% of them having reliable USB changing points.
1440 will remain allocated at Redcar, this will ensure services X3/X4 continue to have an appropriate spare vehicle.
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(14 Aug 2019, 5:32 pm)S830OFT Having experienced the Wright StreetLites on the X4 and other Teeside services, I must admit they need to be removed ASAP as they are significantly unreliable.
Allocaton Plan:
Stockton: 1550 - 1559 To Belmont
Stockton: 1524 - 1533 From Belmont
This will be a straight forward swap, with Pulsars on the 5/5A, and StreetLites on the 6.
Redcar: 1560 - 1573 To Belmont
Redcar: 1412/13/65/66/98/1506/07/17 - 23 From Belmont.
This will see service 22/23/24 receive a full Wright StreetLite allocaton, along with Belmont service 7 journeys also allocated some.
Additionaly, the Pulsars will ensure reliability, and a better quality service with 50% of them having reliable USB changing points.
1440 will remain allocated at Redcar, this will ensure services X3/X4 continue to have an appropriate spare vehicle.
(14 Aug 2019, 6:03 pm)Andreos1 </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I like nowt better than 1440 rocking up on my X3/X4 trips, but having been on the Streetlites many a time - I have yet to see them prove unreliable.</p><p><br></p><p>Which one/s are unreliable? </p><p>
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(14 Aug 2019, 6:03 pm)Andreos1 </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I like nowt better than 1440 rocking up on my X3/X4 trips, but having been on the Streetlites many a time - I have yet to see them prove unreliable.</p><p><br></p><p>Which one/s are unreliable? </p><p>
(14 Aug 2019, 6:45 pm)S830OFT </p><p>
</p><p>1562/1564 have been unreliable quite recently...</p><p>
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(14 Aug 2019, 6:45 pm)S830OFT </p><p>
</p><p>1562/1564 have been unreliable quite recently...</p><p>
(14 Aug 2019, 6:03 pm)Andreos1 </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I like nowt better than 1440 rocking up on my X3/X4 trips, but having been on the Streetlites many a time - I have yet to see them prove unreliable.</p><p><br></p><p>Which one/s are unreliable? </p><p>
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(14 Aug 2019, 6:03 pm)Andreos1 </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I like nowt better than 1440 rocking up on my X3/X4 trips, but having been on the Streetlites many a time - I have yet to see them prove unreliable.</p><p><br></p><p>Which one/s are unreliable? </p><p>
(15 Aug 2019, 6:23 am)Dan <br></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Have to agree with you.</p><p><br></p><p>The Streetlites aren't everyone's cup of tea, but if nothing else, they're a pretty darn reliable bus. Send them out in the morning and they're usually alright to operate a full day's service without having any major issues.</p><p><br></p><p>Arriva do seem to have more issues with them though - Darlington had all manner of problems with the MAX Streetlites, and of course there was the time where Stockton did not allocate a number of Streetlites to the 5/5A for a while due to "reliability issues".</p><p>
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(15 Aug 2019, 6:23 am)Dan <br></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Have to agree with you.</p><p><br></p><p>The Streetlites aren't everyone's cup of tea, but if nothing else, they're a pretty darn reliable bus. Send them out in the morning and they're usually alright to operate a full day's service without having any major issues.</p><p><br></p><p>Arriva do seem to have more issues with them though - Darlington had all manner of problems with the MAX Streetlites, and of course there was the time where Stockton did not allocate a number of Streetlites to the 5/5A for a while due to "reliability issues".</p><p>
(15 Aug 2019, 6:23 am)Dan </p><p></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Have to agree with you.</p><p><br></p><p>The Streetlites aren't everyone's cup of tea, but if nothing else, they're a pretty darn reliable bus. Send them out in the morning and they're usually alright to operate a full day's service without having any major issues.</p><p><br></p><p>Arriva do seem to have more issues with them though - Darlington had all manner of problems with the MAX Streetlites, and of course there was the time where Stockton did not allocate a number of Streetlites to the 5/5A for a while due to "reliability issues".</p><p>
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(15 Aug 2019, 6:23 am)Dan </p><p></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Have to agree with you.</p><p><br></p><p>The Streetlites aren't everyone's cup of tea, but if nothing else, they're a pretty darn reliable bus. Send them out in the morning and they're usually alright to operate a full day's service without having any major issues.</p><p><br></p><p>Arriva do seem to have more issues with them though - Darlington had all manner of problems with the MAX Streetlites, and of course there was the time where Stockton did not allocate a number of Streetlites to the 5/5A for a while due to "reliability issues".</p><p>
Despite what some suggest, the Lites on X4 etc seem okay, not perfect but they do the job most the time, some are better than others 1561 is a dog but then 1563? flies. Something that hasn't been considered is the fact they can frequently appear on the likes of the 63 or X93 in place of it's intended route(s) and then one is robbed on weekends to fulfil Redcar's Moorsbus output.
Pulsar's are more comfortable IMO but seemingly don't perform any better as trials on 5/5A proved and no repeated wibble from enthusiasts is gonna change that FACT, seriously how many times have I said this now?
(15 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm)Jimmi Pulsar's are more comfortable IMO but seemingly don't perform any better as trials on 5/5A proved and no repeated wibble from enthusiasts is gonna change that FACT, seriously how many times have I said this now?
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(15 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm)Jimmi Pulsar's are more comfortable IMO but seemingly don't perform any better as trials on 5/5A proved and no repeated wibble from enthusiasts is gonna change that FACT, seriously how many times have I said this now?
(15 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm)Jimmi Despite what some suggest, the Lites on X4 etc seem okay, not perfect but they do the job most the time, some are better than others 1561 is a dog but then 1563? flies. Something that hasn't been considered is the fact they can frequently appear on the likes of the 63 or X93 in place of it's intended route(s) and then one is robbed on weekends to fulfil Redcar's Moorsbus output.
Pulsar's are more comfortable IMO but seemingly don't perform any better as trials on 5/5A proved and no repeated wibble from enthusiasts is gonna change that FACT, seriously how many times have I said this now?
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(15 Aug 2019, 12:31 pm)Jimmi Despite what some suggest, the Lites on X4 etc seem okay, not perfect but they do the job most the time, some are better than others 1561 is a dog but then 1563? flies. Something that hasn't been considered is the fact they can frequently appear on the likes of the 63 or X93 in place of it's intended route(s) and then one is robbed on weekends to fulfil Redcar's Moorsbus output.
Pulsar's are more comfortable IMO but seemingly don't perform any better as trials on 5/5A proved and no repeated wibble from enthusiasts is gonna change that FACT, seriously how many times have I said this now?
(15 Aug 2019, 7:16 pm)Andreos1 </p><p><br></p><p>*I think I've posted the dimensions of the Streetlite previously and compared them to others, so I won't do it again (someone else feel free though), but there is a couple of mm difference in width between that and a Solar though. Saves costs innit? </p><p><br></p><p>
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(15 Aug 2019, 7:16 pm)Andreos1 </p><p><br></p><p>*I think I've posted the dimensions of the Streetlite previously and compared them to others, so I won't do it again (someone else feel free though), but there is a couple of mm difference in width between that and a Solar though. Saves costs innit? </p><p><br></p><p>
(15 Aug 2019, 7:16 pm)Andreos1 I often wonder if capacity is a problem on the X4. Many a time I've seen a standing load into/out of Whitby and again on the Boro-bound approaches to Redcar. The narrow feel to those Streetlites certainly doesn't help*. Vehicles with a bigger capacity may be an idea at certain times, but I'm pretty sure the X4 isn't unique in that aspect. *I think I've posted the dimensions of the Streetlite previously and compared them to others, so I won't do it again (someone else feel free though), but there is a couple of mm difference in width & between that and a Solar though. Saves costs innit?
(15 Aug 2019, 7:16 pm)Andreos1 I often wonder if capacity is a problem on the X4. Many a time I've seen a standing load into/out of Whitby and again on the Boro-bound approaches to Redcar. The narrow feel to those Streetlites certainly doesn't help*. Vehicles with a bigger capacity may be an idea at certain times, but I'm pretty sure the X4 isn't unique in that aspect. *I think I've posted the dimensions of the Streetlite previously and compared them to others, so I won't do it again (someone else feel free though), but there is a couple of mm difference in width & between that and a Solar though. Saves costs innit?
(15 Aug 2019, 7:42 pm)deanmachine </p><p> </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Whether it's the seats or gangway or a combination of both, it's de</p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">finitely noticeable from a passenger perspective imo. </span><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><br></span></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Yep, Streetlites are definitely narrower, makes them great for driving through congestion though, you can squeeze them through anywhere.</p><p>
(15 Aug 2019, 7:45 pm)Jimmi Maximum capacity on Arriva Lites are around 67 (I think) vs 72 on a Pulsar (73 on 1513-23) but god they are unpleasant to stand on at times especially on a hot day, thought I was gonna pass out the time I got one from Boro to Saltburn on a hot day sitting with a full standing load on.
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(15 Aug 2019, 7:42 pm)deanmachine </p><p> </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Whether it's the seats or gangway or a combination of both, it's de</p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">finitely noticeable from a passenger perspective imo. </span><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><br></span></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>Yep, Streetlites are definitely narrower, makes them great for driving through congestion though, you can squeeze them through anywhere.</p><p>
(15 Aug 2019, 7:45 pm)Jimmi Maximum capacity on Arriva Lites are around 67 (I think) vs 72 on a Pulsar (73 on 1513-23) but god they are unpleasant to stand on at times especially on a hot day, thought I was gonna pass out the time I got one from Boro to Saltburn on a hot day sitting with a full standing load on.
(15 Aug 2019, 8:46 pm)Andreos1 </p><p> </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Whether it's the seats or gangway or a combination of both, it's de</p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">finitely noticeable from a passenger perspective imo. </span><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><br></span></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I've been fortunate enough to have ever had to stand in that direction. </p><p>However, forgetting the couple of seats and going back to the width issue, the difference in dimensions may have been noticeable.</p><p><br></p><p>The Pulsar is approx <span style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: right; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">2.50 metres wide.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: right; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">The Streetlite is approx 2.45 metres wide.<span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, "Nimbus Sans L", Arial, "Liberation Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15.2px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 216, 216); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: right; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">5cms across the width of a bus on top of the 45 cm length difference, can add up. </span></p><p>
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(15 Aug 2019, 8:46 pm)Andreos1 </p><p> </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p>Whether it's the seats or gangway or a combination of both, it's de</p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">finitely noticeable from a passenger perspective imo. </span><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(17, 17, 17); font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"><br></span></p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p>I've been fortunate enough to have ever had to stand in that direction. </p><p>However, forgetting the couple of seats and going back to the width issue, the difference in dimensions may have been noticeable.</p><p><br></p><p>The Pulsar is approx <span style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: right; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">2.50 metres wide.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: right; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">The Streetlite is approx 2.45 metres wide.<span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: "Helvetica Neue", Helvetica, "Nimbus Sans L", Arial, "Liberation Sans", sans-serif; font-size: 15.2px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(216, 216, 216); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.87); font-family: Roboto, HelveticaNeue, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: right; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; display: inline !important; float: none;">5cms across the width of a bus on top of the 45 cm length difference, can add up. </span></p><p>
(15 Aug 2019, 9:07 pm)streetdeckfan </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p> I haven't noticed a difference in the width of the seats, they both seem the same to me , but the gangway is definitely narrower. It's basically impossible to carry a bag on a Streetlite and not hit the people sitting down.</p><p><br></p><p>It also seems like they've tried to cram far too many seats in on the Streetlites as there physically isn't enough legroom for me to sit down, unless I perch on the edge of the seat with me knees pointing down, but I'm fine on the Pulsars. But I suppose that isn't a fault of the bus, but bad planning </p><p>
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(15 Aug 2019, 9:07 pm)streetdeckfan </p><p>
</p><p><br></p><p> I haven't noticed a difference in the width of the seats, they both seem the same to me , but the gangway is definitely narrower. It's basically impossible to carry a bag on a Streetlite and not hit the people sitting down.</p><p><br></p><p>It also seems like they've tried to cram far too many seats in on the Streetlites as there physically isn't enough legroom for me to sit down, unless I perch on the edge of the seat with me knees pointing down, but I'm fine on the Pulsars. But I suppose that isn't a fault of the bus, but bad planning </p><p>
