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big mac



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25 Jun 2021, 10:20 am #661
(22 Jun 2021, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan Unless they've changed their policy recently, no.
Even going Newcastle to Gateshead requires the X9/X10 ticket (or a 5-25 ticket)
Are day rovers valid on it (within Tyne and Wear)?

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big mac
25 Jun 2021, 10:20 am #661

(22 Jun 2021, 3:31 pm)streetdeckfan Unless they've changed their policy recently, no.
Even going Newcastle to Gateshead requires the X9/X10 ticket (or a 5-25 ticket)
Are day rovers valid on it (within Tyne and Wear)?

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25 Jun 2021, 10:46 am #662
Yes but only valid to Heworth
Micheal Aaron
25 Jun 2021, 10:46 am #662

Yes but only valid to Heworth

big mac



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25 Jun 2021, 6:19 pm #663
(22 Jun 2021, 5:15 pm)Adrian It's a very good question, but not one I have the answer to! 

First time I used the new Go Zones ticket, I (incorrectly) assumed that the All Zones ticket would be valid to Dalton Park. So you can imagine my disappointment when the ETM honked at me.
I bet there's been a lot of people who've done the same thing in boarding the x10 with a "normal" GNE day ticket only to find it isn't valid. I really do think it's unnecessarily confusing to exclude one service from the standard day ticket.

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big mac
25 Jun 2021, 6:19 pm #663

(22 Jun 2021, 5:15 pm)Adrian It's a very good question, but not one I have the answer to! 

First time I used the new Go Zones ticket, I (incorrectly) assumed that the All Zones ticket would be valid to Dalton Park. So you can imagine my disappointment when the ETM honked at me.
I bet there's been a lot of people who've done the same thing in boarding the x10 with a "normal" GNE day ticket only to find it isn't valid. I really do think it's unnecessarily confusing to exclude one service from the standard day ticket.

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07 Jul 2021, 11:25 pm #664
Not wanting to cause a stir, but I've noticed a lot of tweets for breakdowns on X9/X10, and most days I see either 6377 or a B9 running down the A19.

Although obviously more reliable than 6308-13, are they that reliable?
jasondarby123
07 Jul 2021, 11:25 pm #664

Not wanting to cause a stir, but I've noticed a lot of tweets for breakdowns on X9/X10, and most days I see either 6377 or a B9 running down the A19.

Although obviously more reliable than 6308-13, are they that reliable?

GNE6312



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08 Jul 2021, 6:44 am #665
(07 Jul 2021, 11:25 pm)jasondarby123 Not wanting to cause a stir, but I've noticed a lot of tweets for breakdowns on X9/X10, and most days I see either 6377 or a B9 running down the A19.

Although obviously more reliable than 6308-13, are they that reliable?
Those elites are abysmally unreliable and personally I think getting them has turned from a good thing to an awful idea. Would have been better using more heavy duty service buses (Snania E400MMCs or 6 Cylinder Streetdecks) allocated. Wouldn't be surprised if an older service bus outlives those coaches
GNE6312
08 Jul 2021, 6:44 am #665

(07 Jul 2021, 11:25 pm)jasondarby123 Not wanting to cause a stir, but I've noticed a lot of tweets for breakdowns on X9/X10, and most days I see either 6377 or a B9 running down the A19.

Although obviously more reliable than 6308-13, are they that reliable?
Those elites are abysmally unreliable and personally I think getting them has turned from a good thing to an awful idea. Would have been better using more heavy duty service buses (Snania E400MMCs or 6 Cylinder Streetdecks) allocated. Wouldn't be surprised if an older service bus outlives those coaches

08 Jul 2021, 8:07 am #666
(08 Jul 2021, 6:44 am)GNE6312 Those elites are abysmally unreliable and personally I think getting them has turned from a good thing to an awful idea. Would have been better using more heavy duty service buses (Snania E400MMCs or 6 Cylinder Streetdecks) allocated. Wouldn't be surprised if an older service bus outlives those coaches
You've also got to remember they ain't exactly spring chickens either, they're 6 year old

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streetdeckfan
08 Jul 2021, 8:07 am #666

(08 Jul 2021, 6:44 am)GNE6312 Those elites are abysmally unreliable and personally I think getting them has turned from a good thing to an awful idea. Would have been better using more heavy duty service buses (Snania E400MMCs or 6 Cylinder Streetdecks) allocated. Wouldn't be surprised if an older service bus outlives those coaches
You've also got to remember they ain't exactly spring chickens either, they're 6 year old

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08 Jul 2021, 8:56 am #667
(08 Jul 2021, 6:44 am)GNE6312 Those elites are abysmally unreliable and personally I think getting them has turned from a good thing to an awful idea. Would have been better using more heavy duty service buses (Snania E400MMCs or 6 Cylinder Streetdecks) allocated. Wouldn't be surprised if an older service bus outlives those coaches

I don't think its an awful idea and in my opinion it's exactly what the route needs, but it does look like they're suffering problems at the minute.

Bustimes.org reports that 7150, 7154 and 7156 have been off the road for 5 days or more. 7150 has been off since the 18th June by the looks of it

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Adrian
08 Jul 2021, 8:56 am #667

(08 Jul 2021, 6:44 am)GNE6312 Those elites are abysmally unreliable and personally I think getting them has turned from a good thing to an awful idea. Would have been better using more heavy duty service buses (Snania E400MMCs or 6 Cylinder Streetdecks) allocated. Wouldn't be surprised if an older service bus outlives those coaches

I don't think its an awful idea and in my opinion it's exactly what the route needs, but it does look like they're suffering problems at the minute.

Bustimes.org reports that 7150, 7154 and 7156 have been off the road for 5 days or more. 7150 has been off since the 18th June by the looks of it


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08 Jul 2021, 11:54 am #668
I'd imagine that the engineering team are still learning about the Elites as and when problems arise which may explain why they're off the road longer.
omnicity4659
08 Jul 2021, 11:54 am #668

I'd imagine that the engineering team are still learning about the Elites as and when problems arise which may explain why they're off the road longer.

08 Jul 2021, 12:47 pm #669
There lush Coaches. Getting them for the X9/X10 was a good idea.

Yea maybe E400MMC would have been a good idea but the service gets quite busy so I could understand the upgrade to Coaches
Micheal Aaron
08 Jul 2021, 12:47 pm #669

There lush Coaches. Getting them for the X9/X10 was a good idea.

Yea maybe E400MMC would have been a good idea but the service gets quite busy so I could understand the upgrade to Coaches

08 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm #670
(08 Jul 2021, 12:47 pm)Micheal Aaron There lush Coaches. Getting them for the X9/X10 was a good idea.

Yea maybe E400MMC would have been a good idea but the service gets quite busy so I could understand the upgrade to Coaches

Weren't the coaches actually a downgrade in capacity?
streetdeckfan
08 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm #670

(08 Jul 2021, 12:47 pm)Micheal Aaron There lush Coaches. Getting them for the X9/X10 was a good idea.

Yea maybe E400MMC would have been a good idea but the service gets quite busy so I could understand the upgrade to Coaches

Weren't the coaches actually a downgrade in capacity?

08 Jul 2021, 2:22 pm #671
X9 is being suspended from 12th July
User2613
08 Jul 2021, 2:22 pm #671

X9 is being suspended from 12th July

big mac



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08 Jul 2021, 2:36 pm #672
(08 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm)streetdeckfan Weren't the coaches actually a downgrade in capacity?
I think they were slightly but not by very much. I may be wrong but I think it's only something like four seats less than the previous double deckers.

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big mac
08 Jul 2021, 2:36 pm #672

(08 Jul 2021, 1:40 pm)streetdeckfan Weren't the coaches actually a downgrade in capacity?
I think they were slightly but not by very much. I may be wrong but I think it's only something like four seats less than the previous double deckers.

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08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm #673
(08 Jul 2021, 2:22 pm)User2613 X9 is being suspended from 12th July

Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm #673

(08 Jul 2021, 2:22 pm)User2613 X9 is being suspended from 12th July

Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.


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JP6004



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08 Jul 2021, 3:13 pm #674
(08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm)Andreos1 Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.
Says on website
JP6004
08 Jul 2021, 3:13 pm #674

(08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm)Andreos1 Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.
Says on website

mb134



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08 Jul 2021, 3:16 pm #675
(08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm)Andreos1 Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.

"This is due to a high number of non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts and resultant short-term disruption to staffing requirements."

I'd imagine, given the decision to completely pull an hourly service rather than reducing the frequency on something else, it might be an indication of the X9 not recovering as well from the pandemic?
mb134
08 Jul 2021, 3:16 pm #675

(08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm)Andreos1 Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.

"This is due to a high number of non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts and resultant short-term disruption to staffing requirements."

I'd imagine, given the decision to completely pull an hourly service rather than reducing the frequency on something else, it might be an indication of the X9 not recovering as well from the pandemic?

Kuyoyo



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08 Jul 2021, 3:20 pm #676
(08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm)Andreos1 Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.

X9 suspended with the X10 revised to operate to its Sunday route and timetable.
The coaches loaned to Coatham are sub-leased - Coatham drivers are driving them on Go North East duplicates. Same as 7128 is on-loan to JH for the X11.

(08 Jul 2021, 3:16 pm)mb134 "This is due to a high number of non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts and resultant short-term disruption to staffing requirements."

I'd imagine, given the decision to completely pull an hourly service rather than reducing the frequency on something else, it might be an indication of the X9 not recovering as well from the pandemic?

I don’t think it’s that reason - they’re saving resources in terms of both drivers and vehicles by effectively suspending the X9 and running the X10 on its evening and Sunday route, meaning while the joint sections of the routes sees a frequency reduction, they still maintain normal service to Stockton, Norton, Billingham, Peterlee and Dalton Park.
Kuyoyo
08 Jul 2021, 3:20 pm #676

(08 Jul 2021, 3:08 pm)Andreos1 Any idea why?
Was just thinking those coaches that Coatham are borrowing would have been ideal to cover all these reported breakdowns.

X9 suspended with the X10 revised to operate to its Sunday route and timetable.
The coaches loaned to Coatham are sub-leased - Coatham drivers are driving them on Go North East duplicates. Same as 7128 is on-loan to JH for the X11.

(08 Jul 2021, 3:16 pm)mb134 "This is due to a high number of non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts and resultant short-term disruption to staffing requirements."

I'd imagine, given the decision to completely pull an hourly service rather than reducing the frequency on something else, it might be an indication of the X9 not recovering as well from the pandemic?

I don’t think it’s that reason - they’re saving resources in terms of both drivers and vehicles by effectively suspending the X9 and running the X10 on its evening and Sunday route, meaning while the joint sections of the routes sees a frequency reduction, they still maintain normal service to Stockton, Norton, Billingham, Peterlee and Dalton Park.

Adrian



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08 Jul 2021, 4:22 pm #677
Surprised to see a whole service knocked on the head, taking it down to hourly Newcastle to Middlesbrough. Especially when Nexus contracts and Arriva work is still being covered. You'd think their own commercial routes would take precedence.

Everywhere seems to be getting hit by track and trace pings at the moment, but we should remember that bus operators started dropping the right to maintain social distancing on board about 6 weeks ago now, convincing us it was a safe move. Despite rising case numbers, and evidently requests for staff to enter isolation.

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Adrian
08 Jul 2021, 4:22 pm #677

Surprised to see a whole service knocked on the head, taking it down to hourly Newcastle to Middlesbrough. Especially when Nexus contracts and Arriva work is still being covered. You'd think their own commercial routes would take precedence.

Everywhere seems to be getting hit by track and trace pings at the moment, but we should remember that bus operators started dropping the right to maintain social distancing on board about 6 weeks ago now, convincing us it was a safe move. Despite rising case numbers, and evidently requests for staff to enter isolation.


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08 Jul 2021, 6:04 pm #678
(08 Jul 2021, 2:22 pm)User2613 X9 is being suspended from 12th July

I don't really get this. When reductions happened before and even in things like the arriva strike, high frequency routes were changed first. Pre-pandemic the 1700-ish X10 from Newcastle was always rammed
jasondarby123
08 Jul 2021, 6:04 pm #678

(08 Jul 2021, 2:22 pm)User2613 X9 is being suspended from 12th July

I don't really get this. When reductions happened before and even in things like the arriva strike, high frequency routes were changed first. Pre-pandemic the 1700-ish X10 from Newcastle was always rammed

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08 Jul 2021, 6:07 pm #679
(08 Jul 2021, 4:22 pm)Adrian Surprised to see a whole service knocked on the head, taking it down to hourly Newcastle to Middlesbrough. Especially when Nexus contracts and Arriva work is still being covered. You'd think their own commercial routes would take precedence.

Everywhere seems to be getting hit by track and trace pings at the moment, but we should remember that bus operators started dropping the right to maintain social distancing on board about 6 weeks ago now, convincing us it was a safe move. Despite rising case numbers, and evidently requests for staff to enter isolation.
We should also remember that there reasoning for this reduction clearly states 'non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts'. Nothing to do with increased capacity?
RobinHood
08 Jul 2021, 6:07 pm #679

(08 Jul 2021, 4:22 pm)Adrian Surprised to see a whole service knocked on the head, taking it down to hourly Newcastle to Middlesbrough. Especially when Nexus contracts and Arriva work is still being covered. You'd think their own commercial routes would take precedence.

Everywhere seems to be getting hit by track and trace pings at the moment, but we should remember that bus operators started dropping the right to maintain social distancing on board about 6 weeks ago now, convincing us it was a safe move. Despite rising case numbers, and evidently requests for staff to enter isolation.
We should also remember that there reasoning for this reduction clearly states 'non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts'. Nothing to do with increased capacity?

Adrian



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08 Jul 2021, 6:30 pm #680
(08 Jul 2021, 6:07 pm)RobinHood We should also remember that there reasoning for this reduction clearly states 'non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts'. Nothing to do with increased capacity?

Not suggesting that it is, but regarding the bit in bold: How do you know? Contact tracing cannot and give you that level of information, and a venue alert cannot be triggered as bus stations and buses don't have venue check-in posters. Only (presumably/hopefully!) depots and canteens would?

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Adrian
08 Jul 2021, 6:30 pm #680

(08 Jul 2021, 6:07 pm)RobinHood We should also remember that there reasoning for this reduction clearly states 'non-work related track and trace app self-isolation alerts'. Nothing to do with increased capacity?

Not suggesting that it is, but regarding the bit in bold: How do you know? Contact tracing cannot and give you that level of information, and a venue alert cannot be triggered as bus stations and buses don't have venue check-in posters. Only (presumably/hopefully!) depots and canteens would?


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