Scotland Bus Operations
Scotland Bus Operations
(24 Aug 2023, 10:39 am)Andreos1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-t...l-66536184
Finding out what the punters want, works for new start up in Scotland.
(24 Aug 2023, 10:39 am)Andreos1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-t...l-66536184
Finding out what the punters want, works for new start up in Scotland.
(24 Aug 2023, 11:19 am)streetdeckfan So it's 300 'passenger journeys' a week, 6 days a week, and it's an hourly service. Unless my maths is wrong, that works out as an average of either 2 or 4 people per journey, depending on whether the returns are included. I'm guessing they're not just to inflate the numbers.
No wonder the route was binned off
(24 Aug 2023, 11:19 am)streetdeckfan So it's 300 'passenger journeys' a week, 6 days a week, and it's an hourly service. Unless my maths is wrong, that works out as an average of either 2 or 4 people per journey, depending on whether the returns are included. I'm guessing they're not just to inflate the numbers.
No wonder the route was binned off
(24 Aug 2023, 10:39 am)Andreos1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-t...l-66536184
Finding out what the punters want, works for new start up in Scotland.
(24 Aug 2023, 10:39 am)Andreos1 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-t...l-66536184
Finding out what the punters want, works for new start up in Scotland.
(24 Aug 2023, 5:24 pm)Unber43 But 300 passengers a week is hardly sustainable, say it operates from 7:10-19:00 12 hours, 6 days a week is 72 journeys across the week thats an average of 4 people per round trip (presumable a round trip takes less than an hour)
(24 Aug 2023, 5:24 pm)Unber43 But 300 passengers a week is hardly sustainable, say it operates from 7:10-19:00 12 hours, 6 days a week is 72 journeys across the week thats an average of 4 people per round trip (presumable a round trip takes less than an hour)
(24 Aug 2023, 8:43 pm)Andreos1 What's sustainable? A community that travels to work in outlying areas, that's increasing or an operator deciding there's not enough money in it?
There was similar conversation about loss leaders feeding in to the wider network and sustaining the profitability of the core routes.
I'd argue that if it wasn't for those 4 people, there's 4 more cars clogging up and delaying buses on the approach to Glasgow or Edinburgh every single hour of the day.
Multiply that by x number of villages/communities and all of a sudden there's 25 additional cars blocking the road. Every single hour of the day.
Theres all this patter about how 1 bus can take 75 cars off the road.
Aye, it might. If the 75 people in cars, all lived on the main bus route.
Because they don't, then the argument is pointless.
This bus is making a huge difference to those 300 people. That's the key point here.
(24 Aug 2023, 8:43 pm)Andreos1 What's sustainable? A community that travels to work in outlying areas, that's increasing or an operator deciding there's not enough money in it?
There was similar conversation about loss leaders feeding in to the wider network and sustaining the profitability of the core routes.
I'd argue that if it wasn't for those 4 people, there's 4 more cars clogging up and delaying buses on the approach to Glasgow or Edinburgh every single hour of the day.
Multiply that by x number of villages/communities and all of a sudden there's 25 additional cars blocking the road. Every single hour of the day.
Theres all this patter about how 1 bus can take 75 cars off the road.
Aye, it might. If the 75 people in cars, all lived on the main bus route.
Because they don't, then the argument is pointless.
This bus is making a huge difference to those 300 people. That's the key point here.
(24 Aug 2023, 9:29 pm)streetdeckfan Not once does it says 300 people, it says '300 passenger journeys', which is very careful wording.
If Doris pops to town and back once a day, that's 35 of those 'passenger journeys'
(24 Aug 2023, 9:29 pm)streetdeckfan Not once does it says 300 people, it says '300 passenger journeys', which is very careful wording.
If Doris pops to town and back once a day, that's 35 of those 'passenger journeys'
(24 Aug 2023, 8:43 pm)Andreos1 What's sustainable? A community that travels to work in outlying areas, that's increasing or an operator deciding there's not enough money in it?
There was similar conversation about loss leaders feeding in to the wider network and sustaining the profitability of the core routes.
I'd argue that if it wasn't for those 4 people, there's 4 more cars clogging up and delaying buses on the approach to Glasgow or Edinburgh every single hour of the day.
Multiply that by x number of villages/communities and all of a sudden there's 25 additional cars blocking the road. Every single hour of the day.
Theres all this patter about how 1 bus can take 75 cars off the road.
Aye, it might. If the 75 people in cars, all lived on the main bus route.
Because they don't, then the argument is pointless.
This bus is making a huge difference to those 300 people. That's the key point here.
(24 Aug 2023, 8:43 pm)Andreos1 What's sustainable? A community that travels to work in outlying areas, that's increasing or an operator deciding there's not enough money in it?
There was similar conversation about loss leaders feeding in to the wider network and sustaining the profitability of the core routes.
I'd argue that if it wasn't for those 4 people, there's 4 more cars clogging up and delaying buses on the approach to Glasgow or Edinburgh every single hour of the day.
Multiply that by x number of villages/communities and all of a sudden there's 25 additional cars blocking the road. Every single hour of the day.
Theres all this patter about how 1 bus can take 75 cars off the road.
Aye, it might. If the 75 people in cars, all lived on the main bus route.
Because they don't, then the argument is pointless.
This bus is making a huge difference to those 300 people. That's the key point here.
McGill's Eastern Scottish will be withdrawing all of their commercial network at Livingston in October or December. Contracted services 20, 31, 63 and 68 appear to be staying as are the Brightbus and Flixbus work.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24
Yesterday Tue 26th Sep 2023
McGill’s Group has announced that it is to cease its bus services in West Lothian.
The operator took over West Lothian services from FirstBus in late 2022. Since that time, McGill’s Group has injected a total of £4.5million into McGill’s Eastern Scottish to turn round the ailing business.
Despite this substantial investment – a mixture of one-off investment and mainly ongoing subsidy from McGill’s Group and its owners - McGill’s Eastern Scottish has faced constant challenges on a number of fronts.
The West Lothian network has endured sustained head-to-head competition from a nearby publicly subsidised operator, which entered the market several years ago. This, alongside a new electrified railway, has meant that Eastern Scottish routes to Edinburgh had to contend with huge competition as well as the challenges of the capital’s roadworks, diversions and congestion.
The business also had historical and current issues, including driver shortages and long-term, sustained passenger decline.
McGill’s Group said it would enter into consultation with staff and union representatives at Eastern Scottish but said it was committed to avoiding redundancies where possible. The announcement follows a meeting with staff held this evening.
In terms of services, McGill’s Eastern Scottish intends to cease services X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh from October 15th. (Alternatives exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.)
From December 2nd, services 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. McGill’s is currently consulting with the local authority on these services and it is hoped an announcement will follow in due course.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at the present time.
Ralph Roberts, CEO at McGill’s Group, said: “It is deeply regrettable that we are having to cease our West Lothian services and we recognise the angst and uncertainty this will cause for our team members and passengers in the area.
“We were fully aware of the challenges that existed for the business in West Lothian when we took over late last year and throughout that period, we have strived to make changes that might place the operation onto an even keel in the medium to long-term.
“However, despite investing around £4.5million in Eastern Scottish operations, we have now come to the conclusion that the ongoing losses are simply unsustainable. Inflationary pressures have meant costs have been rising substantially at the same time revenue is continually slipping, with passenger numbers showing long-term decline - not helped by significant competition.”
Mr Roberts added that McGill’s Group would do all it could to support staff and passengers in the coming weeks as the changes take effect.
Ralph continued: “McGill’s will be entering into dialogue with staff, union representatives and various local stakeholders to see what can be achieved but it is our firm hope that compulsory redundancies can be avoided.
“We thank our customers who use these routes for their patience and as a business, we will do all we can to make the transition as straightforward as it can be in terms of future journey planning and ticketing.
“We believe that we have done all we can to make our West Lothian operation work, but we need to recognise that with the challenges that exist, we have fallen short. Too many operators serving too few customers for too long has destabilised the marketplace in West Lothian.”
Details of changes
From 15th October, buses X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh will no longer run. Alternative buses exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.
From 2nd December, buses 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. We expect there to be an announcement on these routes shortly and are fully co-operating with local council colleagues through this process.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at this time.
We again thank you for your custom and will be sorry to not have the pleasure of serving you – and you have our reassurance we’ll be doing all we can to deliver the best services we can in the meantime.
If you need any further help with ticketing and journey planning after the change date, just get in touch with our team and we’ll do all we can to help. Call us on 03330 16 61 62 and email us at enquiries@mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24 - McGill's Scotland East (mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk)
(27 Sep 2023, 12:55 pm)XQ Zero McGill's Eastern Scottish will be withdrawing all of their commercial network at Livingstone in October or December. Contracted services 20, 31, 63 and 68 appear to be staying as are the Brightbus and Flixbus work.How many of the reasons given could apply to operators in this area?
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24
Yesterday Tue 26th Sep 2023
McGill’s Group has announced that it is to cease its bus services in West Lothian.
The operator took over West Lothian services from FirstBus in late 2022. Since that time, McGill’s Group has injected a total of £4.5million into McGill’s Eastern Scottish to turn round the ailing business.
Despite this substantial investment – a mixture of one-off investment and mainly ongoing subsidy from McGill’s Group and its owners - McGill’s Eastern Scottish has faced constant challenges on a number of fronts.
The West Lothian network has endured sustained head-to-head competition from a nearby publicly subsidised operator, which entered the market several years ago. This, alongside a new electrified railway, has meant that Eastern Scottish routes to Edinburgh had to contend with huge competition as well as the challenges of the capital’s roadworks, diversions and congestion.
The business also had historical and current issues, including driver shortages and long-term, sustained passenger decline.
McGill’s Group said it would enter into consultation with staff and union representatives at Eastern Scottish but said it was committed to avoiding redundancies where possible. The announcement follows a meeting with staff held this evening.
In terms of services, McGill’s Eastern Scottish intends to cease services X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh from October 15th. (Alternatives exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.)
From December 2nd, services 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. McGill’s is currently consulting with the local authority on these services and it is hoped an announcement will follow in due course.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at the present time.
Ralph Roberts, CEO at McGill’s Group, said: “It is deeply regrettable that we are having to cease our West Lothian services and we recognise the angst and uncertainty this will cause for our team members and passengers in the area.
“We were fully aware of the challenges that existed for the business in West Lothian when we took over late last year and throughout that period, we have strived to make changes that might place the operation onto an even keel in the medium to long-term.
“However, despite investing around £4.5million in Eastern Scottish operations, we have now come to the conclusion that the ongoing losses are simply unsustainable. Inflationary pressures have meant costs have been rising substantially at the same time revenue is continually slipping, with passenger numbers showing long-term decline - not helped by significant competition.”
Mr Roberts added that McGill’s Group would do all it could to support staff and passengers in the coming weeks as the changes take effect.
Ralph continued: “McGill’s will be entering into dialogue with staff, union representatives and various local stakeholders to see what can be achieved but it is our firm hope that compulsory redundancies can be avoided.
“We thank our customers who use these routes for their patience and as a business, we will do all we can to make the transition as straightforward as it can be in terms of future journey planning and ticketing.
“We believe that we have done all we can to make our West Lothian operation work, but we need to recognise that with the challenges that exist, we have fallen short. Too many operators serving too few customers for too long has destabilised the marketplace in West Lothian.”
Details of changes
From 15th October, buses X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh will no longer run. Alternative buses exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.
From 2nd December, buses 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. We expect there to be an announcement on these routes shortly and are fully co-operating with local council colleagues through this process.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at this time.
We again thank you for your custom and will be sorry to not have the pleasure of serving you – and you have our reassurance we’ll be doing all we can to deliver the best services we can in the meantime.
If you need any further help with ticketing and journey planning after the change date, just get in touch with our team and we’ll do all we can to help. Call us on 03330 16 61 62 and email us at enquiries@mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24 - McGill's Scotland East (mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk)
(27 Sep 2023, 12:55 pm)XQ Zero McGill's Eastern Scottish will be withdrawing all of their commercial network at Livingstone in October or December. Contracted services 20, 31, 63 and 68 appear to be staying as are the Brightbus and Flixbus work.How many of the reasons given could apply to operators in this area?
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24
Yesterday Tue 26th Sep 2023
McGill’s Group has announced that it is to cease its bus services in West Lothian.
The operator took over West Lothian services from FirstBus in late 2022. Since that time, McGill’s Group has injected a total of £4.5million into McGill’s Eastern Scottish to turn round the ailing business.
Despite this substantial investment – a mixture of one-off investment and mainly ongoing subsidy from McGill’s Group and its owners - McGill’s Eastern Scottish has faced constant challenges on a number of fronts.
The West Lothian network has endured sustained head-to-head competition from a nearby publicly subsidised operator, which entered the market several years ago. This, alongside a new electrified railway, has meant that Eastern Scottish routes to Edinburgh had to contend with huge competition as well as the challenges of the capital’s roadworks, diversions and congestion.
The business also had historical and current issues, including driver shortages and long-term, sustained passenger decline.
McGill’s Group said it would enter into consultation with staff and union representatives at Eastern Scottish but said it was committed to avoiding redundancies where possible. The announcement follows a meeting with staff held this evening.
In terms of services, McGill’s Eastern Scottish intends to cease services X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh from October 15th. (Alternatives exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.)
From December 2nd, services 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. McGill’s is currently consulting with the local authority on these services and it is hoped an announcement will follow in due course.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at the present time.
Ralph Roberts, CEO at McGill’s Group, said: “It is deeply regrettable that we are having to cease our West Lothian services and we recognise the angst and uncertainty this will cause for our team members and passengers in the area.
“We were fully aware of the challenges that existed for the business in West Lothian when we took over late last year and throughout that period, we have strived to make changes that might place the operation onto an even keel in the medium to long-term.
“However, despite investing around £4.5million in Eastern Scottish operations, we have now come to the conclusion that the ongoing losses are simply unsustainable. Inflationary pressures have meant costs have been rising substantially at the same time revenue is continually slipping, with passenger numbers showing long-term decline - not helped by significant competition.”
Mr Roberts added that McGill’s Group would do all it could to support staff and passengers in the coming weeks as the changes take effect.
Ralph continued: “McGill’s will be entering into dialogue with staff, union representatives and various local stakeholders to see what can be achieved but it is our firm hope that compulsory redundancies can be avoided.
“We thank our customers who use these routes for their patience and as a business, we will do all we can to make the transition as straightforward as it can be in terms of future journey planning and ticketing.
“We believe that we have done all we can to make our West Lothian operation work, but we need to recognise that with the challenges that exist, we have fallen short. Too many operators serving too few customers for too long has destabilised the marketplace in West Lothian.”
Details of changes
From 15th October, buses X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh will no longer run. Alternative buses exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.
From 2nd December, buses 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. We expect there to be an announcement on these routes shortly and are fully co-operating with local council colleagues through this process.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at this time.
We again thank you for your custom and will be sorry to not have the pleasure of serving you – and you have our reassurance we’ll be doing all we can to deliver the best services we can in the meantime.
If you need any further help with ticketing and journey planning after the change date, just get in touch with our team and we’ll do all we can to help. Call us on 03330 16 61 62 and email us at enquiries@mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24 - McGill's Scotland East (mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk)
(27 Sep 2023, 3:28 pm)Bazza How many of the reasons given could apply to operators in this area?
Certainly GNE and possibly ANE (although I’m not sure if they are being so vocal about running at a loss)
Add that to running in competition with heavily subsidised competition- Metro in the case of GNE and eventually the Ashington rail link for ANE.
I wonder if Nexus / local authorities have plans in place if any of the big operators pull out of the region
(27 Sep 2023, 3:28 pm)Bazza How many of the reasons given could apply to operators in this area?
Certainly GNE and possibly ANE (although I’m not sure if they are being so vocal about running at a loss)
Add that to running in competition with heavily subsidised competition- Metro in the case of GNE and eventually the Ashington rail link for ANE.
I wonder if Nexus / local authorities have plans in place if any of the big operators pull out of the region
(27 Sep 2023, 6:00 pm)Storx In fairness, none at all.
That's a dig at Lothian Country, which recently expanded into the area and is fully owned by Edinburgh Council.
https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2023/0...y-october/ - I have a feeling they've spat their dummy over those new routes aswell.
From a passenger point of view, if the Blyth and Tyne Railway is nearby, then losing a duplicate bus service wouldn't be a loss - the rail journey is 10x better for 99% of people.
(27 Sep 2023, 6:00 pm)Storx In fairness, none at all.
That's a dig at Lothian Country, which recently expanded into the area and is fully owned by Edinburgh Council.
https://www.lothianbuses.com/news/2023/0...y-october/ - I have a feeling they've spat their dummy over those new routes aswell.
From a passenger point of view, if the Blyth and Tyne Railway is nearby, then losing a duplicate bus service wouldn't be a loss - the rail journey is 10x better for 99% of people.
(27 Sep 2023, 12:55 pm)XQ Zero McGill's Eastern Scottish will be withdrawing all of their commercial network at Livingstone in October or December. Contracted services 20, 31, 63 and 68 appear to be staying as are the Brightbus and Flixbus work.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24
Yesterday Tue 26th Sep 2023
McGill’s Group has announced that it is to cease its bus services in West Lothian.
The operator took over West Lothian services from FirstBus in late 2022. Since that time, McGill’s Group has injected a total of £4.5million into McGill’s Eastern Scottish to turn round the ailing business.
Despite this substantial investment – a mixture of one-off investment and mainly ongoing subsidy from McGill’s Group and its owners - McGill’s Eastern Scottish has faced constant challenges on a number of fronts.
The West Lothian network has endured sustained head-to-head competition from a nearby publicly subsidised operator, which entered the market several years ago. This, alongside a new electrified railway, has meant that Eastern Scottish routes to Edinburgh had to contend with huge competition as well as the challenges of the capital’s roadworks, diversions and congestion.
The business also had historical and current issues, including driver shortages and long-term, sustained passenger decline.
McGill’s Group said it would enter into consultation with staff and union representatives at Eastern Scottish but said it was committed to avoiding redundancies where possible. The announcement follows a meeting with staff held this evening.
In terms of services, McGill’s Eastern Scottish intends to cease services X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh from October 15th. (Alternatives exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.)
From December 2nd, services 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. McGill’s is currently consulting with the local authority on these services and it is hoped an announcement will follow in due course.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at the present time.
Ralph Roberts, CEO at McGill’s Group, said: “It is deeply regrettable that we are having to cease our West Lothian services and we recognise the angst and uncertainty this will cause for our team members and passengers in the area.
“We were fully aware of the challenges that existed for the business in West Lothian when we took over late last year and throughout that period, we have strived to make changes that might place the operation onto an even keel in the medium to long-term.
“However, despite investing around £4.5million in Eastern Scottish operations, we have now come to the conclusion that the ongoing losses are simply unsustainable. Inflationary pressures have meant costs have been rising substantially at the same time revenue is continually slipping, with passenger numbers showing long-term decline - not helped by significant competition.”
Mr Roberts added that McGill’s Group would do all it could to support staff and passengers in the coming weeks as the changes take effect.
Ralph continued: “McGill’s will be entering into dialogue with staff, union representatives and various local stakeholders to see what can be achieved but it is our firm hope that compulsory redundancies can be avoided.
“We thank our customers who use these routes for their patience and as a business, we will do all we can to make the transition as straightforward as it can be in terms of future journey planning and ticketing.
“We believe that we have done all we can to make our West Lothian operation work, but we need to recognise that with the challenges that exist, we have fallen short. Too many operators serving too few customers for too long has destabilised the marketplace in West Lothian.”
Details of changes
From 15th October, buses X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh will no longer run. Alternative buses exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.
From 2nd December, buses 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. We expect there to be an announcement on these routes shortly and are fully co-operating with local council colleagues through this process.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at this time.
We again thank you for your custom and will be sorry to not have the pleasure of serving you – and you have our reassurance we’ll be doing all we can to deliver the best services we can in the meantime.
If you need any further help with ticketing and journey planning after the change date, just get in touch with our team and we’ll do all we can to help. Call us on 03330 16 61 62 and email us at enquiries@mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24 - McGill's Scotland East (mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk)
(27 Sep 2023, 12:55 pm)XQ Zero McGill's Eastern Scottish will be withdrawing all of their commercial network at Livingstone in October or December. Contracted services 20, 31, 63 and 68 appear to be staying as are the Brightbus and Flixbus work.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24
Yesterday Tue 26th Sep 2023
McGill’s Group has announced that it is to cease its bus services in West Lothian.
The operator took over West Lothian services from FirstBus in late 2022. Since that time, McGill’s Group has injected a total of £4.5million into McGill’s Eastern Scottish to turn round the ailing business.
Despite this substantial investment – a mixture of one-off investment and mainly ongoing subsidy from McGill’s Group and its owners - McGill’s Eastern Scottish has faced constant challenges on a number of fronts.
The West Lothian network has endured sustained head-to-head competition from a nearby publicly subsidised operator, which entered the market several years ago. This, alongside a new electrified railway, has meant that Eastern Scottish routes to Edinburgh had to contend with huge competition as well as the challenges of the capital’s roadworks, diversions and congestion.
The business also had historical and current issues, including driver shortages and long-term, sustained passenger decline.
McGill’s Group said it would enter into consultation with staff and union representatives at Eastern Scottish but said it was committed to avoiding redundancies where possible. The announcement follows a meeting with staff held this evening.
In terms of services, McGill’s Eastern Scottish intends to cease services X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh from October 15th. (Alternatives exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.)
From December 2nd, services 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. McGill’s is currently consulting with the local authority on these services and it is hoped an announcement will follow in due course.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at the present time.
Ralph Roberts, CEO at McGill’s Group, said: “It is deeply regrettable that we are having to cease our West Lothian services and we recognise the angst and uncertainty this will cause for our team members and passengers in the area.
“We were fully aware of the challenges that existed for the business in West Lothian when we took over late last year and throughout that period, we have strived to make changes that might place the operation onto an even keel in the medium to long-term.
“However, despite investing around £4.5million in Eastern Scottish operations, we have now come to the conclusion that the ongoing losses are simply unsustainable. Inflationary pressures have meant costs have been rising substantially at the same time revenue is continually slipping, with passenger numbers showing long-term decline - not helped by significant competition.”
Mr Roberts added that McGill’s Group would do all it could to support staff and passengers in the coming weeks as the changes take effect.
Ralph continued: “McGill’s will be entering into dialogue with staff, union representatives and various local stakeholders to see what can be achieved but it is our firm hope that compulsory redundancies can be avoided.
“We thank our customers who use these routes for their patience and as a business, we will do all we can to make the transition as straightforward as it can be in terms of future journey planning and ticketing.
“We believe that we have done all we can to make our West Lothian operation work, but we need to recognise that with the challenges that exist, we have fallen short. Too many operators serving too few customers for too long has destabilised the marketplace in West Lothian.”
Details of changes
From 15th October, buses X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh will no longer run. Alternative buses exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.
From 2nd December, buses 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. We expect there to be an announcement on these routes shortly and are fully co-operating with local council colleagues through this process.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at this time.
We again thank you for your custom and will be sorry to not have the pleasure of serving you – and you have our reassurance we’ll be doing all we can to deliver the best services we can in the meantime.
If you need any further help with ticketing and journey planning after the change date, just get in touch with our team and we’ll do all we can to help. Call us on 03330 16 61 62 and email us at enquiries@mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24 - McGill's Scotland East (mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk)
(27 Sep 2023, 8:37 pm)Bazza What about the passengers on that route who aren’t near a station, and has it been confirmed that conncessionary pass holders will be able to travel for free on the line?
(27 Sep 2023, 8:37 pm)Bazza What about the passengers on that route who aren’t near a station, and has it been confirmed that conncessionary pass holders will be able to travel for free on the line?
(27 Sep 2023, 3:28 pm)Bazza How many of the reasons given could apply to operators in this area?
Certainly GNE and possibly ANE (although I’m not sure if they are being so vocal about running at a loss)
Add that to running in competition with heavily subsidised competition- Metro in the case of GNE and eventually the Ashington rail link for ANE.
I wonder if Nexus / local authorities have plans in place if any of the big operators pull out of the region
(27 Sep 2023, 3:28 pm)Bazza How many of the reasons given could apply to operators in this area?
Certainly GNE and possibly ANE (although I’m not sure if they are being so vocal about running at a loss)
Add that to running in competition with heavily subsidised competition- Metro in the case of GNE and eventually the Ashington rail link for ANE.
I wonder if Nexus / local authorities have plans in place if any of the big operators pull out of the region
(27 Sep 2023, 12:55 pm)XQ Zero McGill's Eastern Scottish will be withdrawing all of their commercial network at Livingstone in October or December. Contracted services 20, 31, 63 and 68 appear to be staying as are the Brightbus and Flixbus work.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24
Yesterday Tue 26th Sep 2023
McGill’s Group has announced that it is to cease its bus services in West Lothian.
The operator took over West Lothian services from FirstBus in late 2022. Since that time, McGill’s Group has injected a total of £4.5million into McGill’s Eastern Scottish to turn round the ailing business.
Despite this substantial investment – a mixture of one-off investment and mainly ongoing subsidy from McGill’s Group and its owners - McGill’s Eastern Scottish has faced constant challenges on a number of fronts.
The West Lothian network has endured sustained head-to-head competition from a nearby publicly subsidised operator, which entered the market several years ago. This, alongside a new electrified railway, has meant that Eastern Scottish routes to Edinburgh had to contend with huge competition as well as the challenges of the capital’s roadworks, diversions and congestion.
The business also had historical and current issues, including driver shortages and long-term, sustained passenger decline.
McGill’s Group said it would enter into consultation with staff and union representatives at Eastern Scottish but said it was committed to avoiding redundancies where possible. The announcement follows a meeting with staff held this evening.
In terms of services, McGill’s Eastern Scottish intends to cease services X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh from October 15th. (Alternatives exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.)
From December 2nd, services 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. McGill’s is currently consulting with the local authority on these services and it is hoped an announcement will follow in due course.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at the present time.
Ralph Roberts, CEO at McGill’s Group, said: “It is deeply regrettable that we are having to cease our West Lothian services and we recognise the angst and uncertainty this will cause for our team members and passengers in the area.
“We were fully aware of the challenges that existed for the business in West Lothian when we took over late last year and throughout that period, we have strived to make changes that might place the operation onto an even keel in the medium to long-term.
“However, despite investing around £4.5million in Eastern Scottish operations, we have now come to the conclusion that the ongoing losses are simply unsustainable. Inflationary pressures have meant costs have been rising substantially at the same time revenue is continually slipping, with passenger numbers showing long-term decline - not helped by significant competition.”
Mr Roberts added that McGill’s Group would do all it could to support staff and passengers in the coming weeks as the changes take effect.
Ralph continued: “McGill’s will be entering into dialogue with staff, union representatives and various local stakeholders to see what can be achieved but it is our firm hope that compulsory redundancies can be avoided.
“We thank our customers who use these routes for their patience and as a business, we will do all we can to make the transition as straightforward as it can be in terms of future journey planning and ticketing.
“We believe that we have done all we can to make our West Lothian operation work, but we need to recognise that with the challenges that exist, we have fallen short. Too many operators serving too few customers for too long has destabilised the marketplace in West Lothian.”
Details of changes
From 15th October, buses X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh will no longer run. Alternative buses exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.
From 2nd December, buses 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. We expect there to be an announcement on these routes shortly and are fully co-operating with local council colleagues through this process.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at this time.
We again thank you for your custom and will be sorry to not have the pleasure of serving you – and you have our reassurance we’ll be doing all we can to deliver the best services we can in the meantime.
If you need any further help with ticketing and journey planning after the change date, just get in touch with our team and we’ll do all we can to help. Call us on 03330 16 61 62 and email us at enquiries@mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24 - McGill's Scotland East (mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk)
(27 Sep 2023, 12:55 pm)XQ Zero McGill's Eastern Scottish will be withdrawing all of their commercial network at Livingstone in October or December. Contracted services 20, 31, 63 and 68 appear to be staying as are the Brightbus and Flixbus work.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24
Yesterday Tue 26th Sep 2023
McGill’s Group has announced that it is to cease its bus services in West Lothian.
The operator took over West Lothian services from FirstBus in late 2022. Since that time, McGill’s Group has injected a total of £4.5million into McGill’s Eastern Scottish to turn round the ailing business.
Despite this substantial investment – a mixture of one-off investment and mainly ongoing subsidy from McGill’s Group and its owners - McGill’s Eastern Scottish has faced constant challenges on a number of fronts.
The West Lothian network has endured sustained head-to-head competition from a nearby publicly subsidised operator, which entered the market several years ago. This, alongside a new electrified railway, has meant that Eastern Scottish routes to Edinburgh had to contend with huge competition as well as the challenges of the capital’s roadworks, diversions and congestion.
The business also had historical and current issues, including driver shortages and long-term, sustained passenger decline.
McGill’s Group said it would enter into consultation with staff and union representatives at Eastern Scottish but said it was committed to avoiding redundancies where possible. The announcement follows a meeting with staff held this evening.
In terms of services, McGill’s Eastern Scottish intends to cease services X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh from October 15th. (Alternatives exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.)
From December 2nd, services 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. McGill’s is currently consulting with the local authority on these services and it is hoped an announcement will follow in due course.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at the present time.
Ralph Roberts, CEO at McGill’s Group, said: “It is deeply regrettable that we are having to cease our West Lothian services and we recognise the angst and uncertainty this will cause for our team members and passengers in the area.
“We were fully aware of the challenges that existed for the business in West Lothian when we took over late last year and throughout that period, we have strived to make changes that might place the operation onto an even keel in the medium to long-term.
“However, despite investing around £4.5million in Eastern Scottish operations, we have now come to the conclusion that the ongoing losses are simply unsustainable. Inflationary pressures have meant costs have been rising substantially at the same time revenue is continually slipping, with passenger numbers showing long-term decline - not helped by significant competition.”
Mr Roberts added that McGill’s Group would do all it could to support staff and passengers in the coming weeks as the changes take effect.
Ralph continued: “McGill’s will be entering into dialogue with staff, union representatives and various local stakeholders to see what can be achieved but it is our firm hope that compulsory redundancies can be avoided.
“We thank our customers who use these routes for their patience and as a business, we will do all we can to make the transition as straightforward as it can be in terms of future journey planning and ticketing.
“We believe that we have done all we can to make our West Lothian operation work, but we need to recognise that with the challenges that exist, we have fallen short. Too many operators serving too few customers for too long has destabilised the marketplace in West Lothian.”
Details of changes
From 15th October, buses X22 and X24 between Livingston and Edinburgh will no longer run. Alternative buses exist on Lothian Country routes 72, X27 and X28.
From 2nd December, buses 21, 23, 25 and 26 will no longer run. We expect there to be an announcement on these routes shortly and are fully co-operating with local council colleagues through this process.
There will be no changes to routes 20, 63 and 68 at this time.
We again thank you for your custom and will be sorry to not have the pleasure of serving you – and you have our reassurance we’ll be doing all we can to deliver the best services we can in the meantime.
If you need any further help with ticketing and journey planning after the change date, just get in touch with our team and we’ll do all we can to help. Call us on 03330 16 61 62 and email us at enquiries@mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk.
Cancellation of Eastern Scottish routes 21, 23, 25, 26, X22 & X24 - McGill's Scotland East (mcgillsscotlandeast.co.uk)
(27 Sep 2023, 9:12 pm)Storx I can't see there being too much change though, maybe the X21/X22 down to every 30 minutes each and a rejig of some of the Blyth expresses to reduce the number heading between Cramlington and Blyth. If you timetabled the X21/X22 to interwork with the 1 and 2 then there'd still be 4 BPH on common areas.
(27 Sep 2023, 9:12 pm)Storx I can't see there being too much change though, maybe the X21/X22 down to every 30 minutes each and a rejig of some of the Blyth expresses to reduce the number heading between Cramlington and Blyth. If you timetabled the X21/X22 to interwork with the 1 and 2 then there'd still be 4 BPH on common areas.
(27 Sep 2023, 10:35 pm)mb134 Surely the travel patterns between Cramlington and Blyth are completely unaffected by the railway?
(27 Sep 2023, 10:35 pm)mb134 Surely the travel patterns between Cramlington and Blyth are completely unaffected by the railway?
