Gateshead Sunderland Road Bus Link
Gateshead Sunderland Road Bus Link
A couple of documents and articles relating the demolition of the Gateshead Flyover:
https://www.gateshead.gov.uk/media/16358...3032570000
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor...r-15862386
It's been in the pipeline for nearly a decade now so I'm surprised it hasn't been mentioned, at least in passing, on here before.
The long term aim to demolish the upper level of Gateshead Highway gets mentioned every now and again on the SkyscraperCity forum - highly recommended if any of you are interested in developments and infrastructure locally (https://www.skyscrapercity.com/forums/no...land.2254/), nationally or worldwide.
As mentioned this Sunderland Rd bus link junction was created on the bottom level of Gateshead Highway (future boulevard) not only for buses to cross the highway, but also so pedestrians and cyclists could cross at-grade rather than using the old unwelcoming subways.
This will improve movement between current and future neighbourhoods and the town centre.
Imo, knocking down the upper level would be a stupid idea. At peak times both levels are completely full, where do they expect those cars to go? Especially now they've funneled all traffic down it!
Plus, I just really like the look of it.
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(17 Apr 2022, 10:30 am)streetdeckfan Imo, knocking down the upper level would be a stupid idea. At peak times both levels are completely full, where do they expect those cars to go? Especially now they've funneled all traffic down it!
Plus, I just really like the look of it.
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(17 Apr 2022, 10:30 am)streetdeckfan Imo, knocking down the upper level would be a stupid idea. At peak times both levels are completely full, where do they expect those cars to go? Especially now they've funneled all traffic down it!
Plus, I just really like the look of it.
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(17 Apr 2022, 10:30 am)streetdeckfan Imo, knocking down the upper level would be a stupid idea. At peak times both levels are completely full, where do they expect those cars to go? Especially now they've funneled all traffic down it!
Plus, I just really like the look of it.
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(17 Apr 2022, 10:30 am)streetdeckfan Imo, knocking down the upper level would be a stupid idea. At peak times both levels are completely full, where do they expect those cars to go? Especially now they've funneled all traffic down it!
Plus, I just really like the look of it.
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(17 Apr 2022, 10:44 am)ne14ne1 reduce the number of cars travelling through the central Newcastle & Gateshead areas, especially those making short trips that can be done by active or public transport.
(17 Apr 2022, 10:44 am)ne14ne1 reduce the number of cars travelling through the central Newcastle & Gateshead areas, especially those making short trips that can be done by active or public transport.
(17 Apr 2022, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan Let's be real, that isn't going to happen any time soon.I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
It's just going to make traffic worse, unless they manage to reduce traffic by at least half before they even consider knocking it down
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(17 Apr 2022, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan Let's be real, that isn't going to happen any time soon.I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
It's just going to make traffic worse, unless they manage to reduce traffic by at least half before they even consider knocking it down
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(17 Apr 2022, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan Let's be real, that isn't going to happen any time soon.
It's just going to make traffic worse, unless they manage to reduce traffic by at least half before they even consider knocking it down
(17 Apr 2022, 11:54 am)Andreos1 I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
The blocking of any sort of alternative (Eastern portion of Askew Road for a start), will render Gateshead in to even more gridlock than we see currently!
(17 Apr 2022, 11:17 am)streetdeckfan Let's be real, that isn't going to happen any time soon.
It's just going to make traffic worse, unless they manage to reduce traffic by at least half before they even consider knocking it down
(17 Apr 2022, 11:54 am)Andreos1 I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
The blocking of any sort of alternative (Eastern portion of Askew Road for a start), will render Gateshead in to even more gridlock than we see currently!
(17 Apr 2022, 1:28 pm)Adrian It won't change naturally, because what you've said is likely the attitude of most private vehicle owners, but it needs to change. Car ownership isn't going to naturally decrease due to the sheer convenience (and even availability of it), therefore it's the role of policy makers in Central and Local Governments to enact the change that's required. It'll happen, no matter how many people are dragged kicking and screaming into change.
Reopening Hills Street (even temporarily) for buses only and temporarily reopening Askew Road (past the garage) would probably be the sensible option, but no matter how much notice the Council give, you'll still get all the masses of motorists trying to get into Newcastle that way, complaining about being stuck in traffic, without realising the irony that they're part of the problem.
(17 Apr 2022, 1:28 pm)Adrian It won't change naturally, because what you've said is likely the attitude of most private vehicle owners, but it needs to change. Car ownership isn't going to naturally decrease due to the sheer convenience (and even availability of it), therefore it's the role of policy makers in Central and Local Governments to enact the change that's required. It'll happen, no matter how many people are dragged kicking and screaming into change.
Reopening Hills Street (even temporarily) for buses only and temporarily reopening Askew Road (past the garage) would probably be the sensible option, but no matter how much notice the Council give, you'll still get all the masses of motorists trying to get into Newcastle that way, complaining about being stuck in traffic, without realising the irony that they're part of the problem.
(17 Apr 2022, 1:28 pm)Adrian It won't change naturally, because what you've said is likely the attitude of most private vehicle owners, but it needs to change. Car ownership isn't going to naturally decrease due to the sheer convenience (and even availability of it), therefore it's the role of policy makers in Central and Local Governments to enact the change that's required. It'll happen, no matter how many people are dragged kicking and screaming into change.Looking at the plans for Gateshead in that Skyscraper City link which was shared, I'm not sure that will be an option. Or if it is, it's going to take time to undo all of the work they're planning currently.
Reopening Hills Street (even temporarily) for buses only and temporarily reopening Askew Road (past the garage) would probably be the sensible option , but no matter how much notice the Council give, you'll still get all the masses of motorists trying to get into Newcastle that way, complaining about being stuck in traffic, without realising the irony that they're part of the problem.
(17 Apr 2022, 1:28 pm)Adrian It won't change naturally, because what you've said is likely the attitude of most private vehicle owners, but it needs to change. Car ownership isn't going to naturally decrease due to the sheer convenience (and even availability of it), therefore it's the role of policy makers in Central and Local Governments to enact the change that's required. It'll happen, no matter how many people are dragged kicking and screaming into change.Looking at the plans for Gateshead in that Skyscraper City link which was shared, I'm not sure that will be an option. Or if it is, it's going to take time to undo all of the work they're planning currently.
Reopening Hills Street (even temporarily) for buses only and temporarily reopening Askew Road (past the garage) would probably be the sensible option , but no matter how much notice the Council give, you'll still get all the masses of motorists trying to get into Newcastle that way, complaining about being stuck in traffic, without realising the irony that they're part of the problem.
I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?
(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?
(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?
(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?I think it's something they've been encouraging for decades to be honest.
(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?I think it's something they've been encouraging for decades to be honest.
(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?Yeah, that’s my preferred route- occasionally get snarled up at Whitemare Pool but the traffic layout in Gateshead isn’t making me reconsider using my car, I just divert. It has absolutely put me off using a bus through Gateshead or visiting Tesco or the Vue.
(17 Apr 2022, 7:49 pm)Wybus I’m guessing if you live in Gateshead or south of Gateshead and want to travel by car to anywhere to the north east or east of Newcastle, say if you lived in Birtley, Whickham or Wrekenton and worked at Cobalt, or if you lived in Wallsend and worked at Team Valley, the only viable route they would want you to use now is via the Tyne Tunnel?Yeah, that’s my preferred route- occasionally get snarled up at Whitemare Pool but the traffic layout in Gateshead isn’t making me reconsider using my car, I just divert. It has absolutely put me off using a bus through Gateshead or visiting Tesco or the Vue.
(17 Apr 2022, 9:35 pm)Andreos1 I think it's something they've been encouraging for decades to be honest.
The original realignment of the A1 at the Angel in 86 was key.
Couple the building of the Blaydon Bridge 30 odd years ago to remove the bottle neck at Scotswood and West Denton along with the eventual second tunnel (plus Testos and Silverlink improvements) and they have essentially created an Eastern bypass to go with western bypass.
Throw in a load of white paint, traffic lights and the removal of pedestrian footbridges in various spots along Durham Road means only the brave and buses venture through that way now.
(17 Apr 2022, 9:35 pm)Andreos1 I think it's something they've been encouraging for decades to be honest.
The original realignment of the A1 at the Angel in 86 was key.
Couple the building of the Blaydon Bridge 30 odd years ago to remove the bottle neck at Scotswood and West Denton along with the eventual second tunnel (plus Testos and Silverlink improvements) and they have essentially created an Eastern bypass to go with western bypass.
Throw in a load of white paint, traffic lights and the removal of pedestrian footbridges in various spots along Durham Road means only the brave and buses venture through that way now.
(17 Apr 2022, 11:54 am)Andreos1 I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
The blocking of any sort of alternative (Eastern portion of Askew Road for a start), will render Gateshead in to even more gridlock than we see currently!
(17 Apr 2022, 11:54 am)Andreos1 I'd love to know the diversion route they're going to suggest for the period when they're bringing it down.
The blocking of any sort of alternative (Eastern portion of Askew Road for a start), will render Gateshead in to even more gridlock than we see currently!
(18 Apr 2022, 10:15 am)Adrian I agree it's been encouraged for decades, but planners must still see it as being vastly underused, when people still opt to short cut over the Tyne Bridge and central motorway for example. I think there was hope that the air quality restrictions would tackle some of this, but omitting private cars has put a bit of a spanner in the works here. Maybe it'll be dealt with when the original scheme is deemed insufficient, or maybe they'll look to tackle it in another way, e.g. congestion charging.I personally think the Western Bypass was done on the cheap.
I'm a bit too young to remember the realignment in 86, but certainly there's been constant investment in the A1(M) between J61 at Bowburn and J80 at Seaton Burn for decades now. Then there's the projects on the A19 that you mention, plus the £265m or so that the expansion of the Tyne Tunnel cost into a second tunnel.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:07 am)Ambassador Yeah, that’s my preferred route- occasionally get snarled up at Whitemare Pool but the traffic layout in Gateshead isn’t making me reconsider using my car, I just divert. It has absolutely put me off using a bus through Gateshead or visiting Tesco or the Vue.It has the danger of it becoming a ghost town. Bypassed by traffic completely.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:20 am)Storx Imagine it will be just Charles Street / High Street West. The way it's built they should be able to keep it open from the Tyne Bridge to the Felling Bypass roundabout and at the other end I'd imagine they'll just make the roundabout two way round either way and knock it down in sections with the Durham Road traffic pushed along Prince Consort Road.You're more optimistic than I am!
It'll be busy but won't be that bad.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:15 am)Adrian I agree it's been encouraged for decades, but planners must still see it as being vastly underused, when people still opt to short cut over the Tyne Bridge and central motorway for example. I think there was hope that the air quality restrictions would tackle some of this, but omitting private cars has put a bit of a spanner in the works here. Maybe it'll be dealt with when the original scheme is deemed insufficient, or maybe they'll look to tackle it in another way, e.g. congestion charging.I personally think the Western Bypass was done on the cheap.
I'm a bit too young to remember the realignment in 86, but certainly there's been constant investment in the A1(M) between J61 at Bowburn and J80 at Seaton Burn for decades now. Then there's the projects on the A19 that you mention, plus the £265m or so that the expansion of the Tyne Tunnel cost into a second tunnel.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:07 am)Ambassador Yeah, that’s my preferred route- occasionally get snarled up at Whitemare Pool but the traffic layout in Gateshead isn’t making me reconsider using my car, I just divert. It has absolutely put me off using a bus through Gateshead or visiting Tesco or the Vue.It has the danger of it becoming a ghost town. Bypassed by traffic completely.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:20 am)Storx Imagine it will be just Charles Street / High Street West. The way it's built they should be able to keep it open from the Tyne Bridge to the Felling Bypass roundabout and at the other end I'd imagine they'll just make the roundabout two way round either way and knock it down in sections with the Durham Road traffic pushed along Prince Consort Road.You're more optimistic than I am!
It'll be busy but won't be that bad.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:15 am)Adrian I agree it's been encouraged for decades, but planners must still see it as being vastly underused, when people still opt to short cut over the Tyne Bridge and central motorway for example. I think there was hope that the air quality restrictions would tackle some of this, but omitting private cars has put a bit of a spanner in the works here. Maybe it'll be dealt with when the original scheme is deemed insufficient, or maybe they'll look to tackle it in another way, e.g. congestion charging.
I'm a bit too young to remember the realignment in 86, but certainly there's been constant investment in the A1(M) between J61 at Bowburn and J80 at Seaton Burn for decades now. Then there's the projects on the A19 that you mention, plus the £265m or so that the expansion of the Tyne Tunnel cost into a second tunnel.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:15 am)Adrian I agree it's been encouraged for decades, but planners must still see it as being vastly underused, when people still opt to short cut over the Tyne Bridge and central motorway for example. I think there was hope that the air quality restrictions would tackle some of this, but omitting private cars has put a bit of a spanner in the works here. Maybe it'll be dealt with when the original scheme is deemed insufficient, or maybe they'll look to tackle it in another way, e.g. congestion charging.
I'm a bit too young to remember the realignment in 86, but certainly there's been constant investment in the A1(M) between J61 at Bowburn and J80 at Seaton Burn for decades now. Then there's the projects on the A19 that you mention, plus the £265m or so that the expansion of the Tyne Tunnel cost into a second tunnel.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:23 am)Andreos1 I personally think the Western Bypass was done on the cheap.
Absolutely no future proofing and the inevitable short term fixes, snarl ups and lack of public transport didn't help.
Then throw in the fact that going through Low Fell, was the traditional route and is shorter in distance for the majority of users.
The works to improve and widen it at various stages between Birtley and Westerhope will hopefully be enough going forward. But I'm not convinced.
The realignment (I say 86 - it may have been a year or so earlier) works fascinated me at the time.
The idea of switching the road direction from basically 180 degrees north/south and moving it to the left a bit (along with the other works) blew my mind.
(18 Apr 2022, 10:23 am)Andreos1 I personally think the Western Bypass was done on the cheap.
Absolutely no future proofing and the inevitable short term fixes, snarl ups and lack of public transport didn't help.
Then throw in the fact that going through Low Fell, was the traditional route and is shorter in distance for the majority of users.
The works to improve and widen it at various stages between Birtley and Westerhope will hopefully be enough going forward. But I'm not convinced.
The realignment (I say 86 - it may have been a year or so earlier) works fascinated me at the time.
The idea of switching the road direction from basically 180 degrees north/south and moving it to the left a bit (along with the other works) blew my mind.
(18 Apr 2022, 1:18 pm)Adrian There's even less future proofing in towns and cities, as I guess nobody foreseen the rise in popularity of the private car and ease of ownership. You've got severely limited options in town and city centre to expand highways, especially somewhere like Newcastle, which has already seen more than enough demolition for roads.I'm sure they knew exactly what would happen when the biggest shopping centre in Europe was being built and the numbers of people it would attract though. Ditto with the Garden Festival in 1990 and the supposed investment that was going to bring.
I get the argument that the traditional route is usually shorter for most road users, but those in a private vehicle have the option to take alternative routes. Public transport generally can't, and wouldn't serve people if it did.
(18 Apr 2022, 1:18 pm)Adrian There's even less future proofing in towns and cities, as I guess nobody foreseen the rise in popularity of the private car and ease of ownership. You've got severely limited options in town and city centre to expand highways, especially somewhere like Newcastle, which has already seen more than enough demolition for roads.I'm sure they knew exactly what would happen when the biggest shopping centre in Europe was being built and the numbers of people it would attract though. Ditto with the Garden Festival in 1990 and the supposed investment that was going to bring.
I get the argument that the traditional route is usually shorter for most road users, but those in a private vehicle have the option to take alternative routes. Public transport generally can't, and wouldn't serve people if it did.
