Reduce bus stops to attract more passengers?
Reduce bus stops to attract more passengers?
(28 May 2022, 10:20 am)Rob44 im sure arrive came up with making the 44 to Newcastle the x44 at one point. meaning the first stop after Gosforth park ( i think) was regent centre. The obviously didn't last long!From memory, the X44 was a Friday/Saturday shopper service between Newbiggen and Blyth via the Spine Road in the early days of Arriva ownership.
(28 May 2022, 10:20 am)Rob44 im sure arrive came up with making the 44 to Newcastle the x44 at one point. meaning the first stop after Gosforth park ( i think) was regent centre. The obviously didn't last long!From memory, the X44 was a Friday/Saturday shopper service between Newbiggen and Blyth via the Spine Road in the early days of Arriva ownership.
(28 May 2022, 12:42 pm)DeltaMan From memory, the X44 was a Friday/Saturday shopper service between Newbiggen and Blyth via the Spine Road in the early days of Arriva ownership.
The 44 did used to run limited stop down the Coast Road.
Although I also recall a lot of tinkering being made to the 44/45 services almost every 6 months in the 2000s, so you maybe right!
(28 May 2022, 12:42 pm)DeltaMan From memory, the X44 was a Friday/Saturday shopper service between Newbiggen and Blyth via the Spine Road in the early days of Arriva ownership.
The 44 did used to run limited stop down the Coast Road.
Although I also recall a lot of tinkering being made to the 44/45 services almost every 6 months in the 2000s, so you maybe right!
(22 May 2022, 10:33 pm)BusLoverMum I can't think of anything more offputting than having to walk even further to catch your bus or from your bus to home with heavy bags of shopping.
This is another batshit idea that only considers the start and end of the route. If the people in between are served even less well than they are already, then the rot will spread.
(22 May 2022, 10:33 pm)BusLoverMum I can't think of anything more offputting than having to walk even further to catch your bus or from your bus to home with heavy bags of shopping.
This is another batshit idea that only considers the start and end of the route. If the people in between are served even less well than they are already, then the rot will spread.
(24 Jun 2022, 2:01 pm)ne14ne1 As part of improving the bus network in the Bronx, NY, they’re been reducing the number of stops/increasing the space between them to speed up journey times:
The Teams St/Askew Road West corridor springs to mind.
(24 Jun 2022, 2:01 pm)ne14ne1 As part of improving the bus network in the Bronx, NY, they’re been reducing the number of stops/increasing the space between them to speed up journey times:
The Teams St/Askew Road West corridor springs to mind.
(24 Jun 2022, 5:23 pm)Storx Tbh one corridor I think that would work well would be along Durham Road have a slow service say the 21 stopping everywhere but create a limited stop service on top of it say until the Angel so people from Birtley and CLS (where the X21 doesn't stop) don't have to stop at every bus stop and it feels an absolute age.Ironically, that's exactly what Durham Road had in the past.
The 43/44/45/X10/X11 work well along Great North Road imo for Cramlington and beyond passengers which is pretty much that.
(24 Jun 2022, 5:23 pm)Storx Tbh one corridor I think that would work well would be along Durham Road have a slow service say the 21 stopping everywhere but create a limited stop service on top of it say until the Angel so people from Birtley and CLS (where the X21 doesn't stop) don't have to stop at every bus stop and it feels an absolute age.Ironically, that's exactly what Durham Road had in the past.
The 43/44/45/X10/X11 work well along Great North Road imo for Cramlington and beyond passengers which is pretty much that.
(26 Jun 2022, 6:10 pm)busmanT Wasn't Xlines mean to be just that - faster interurban links with fewer stops?If so, given the X21 is all stops south of Chester, the X1 is all stops south of Shiney Row, the X20 is only limited stop between Rainton and Belmont, and the X15, X15, X30, X31, X45, X46 X70, X71 and X72 are all stops for almost the entire journey (weren't the X5, X15, X45 and X46 just existing normal services renumbered to put an X in front?), then it's doing a TERRIBLE job of it.
(26 Jun 2022, 6:10 pm)busmanT Wasn't Xlines mean to be just that - faster interurban links with fewer stops?If so, given the X21 is all stops south of Chester, the X1 is all stops south of Shiney Row, the X20 is only limited stop between Rainton and Belmont, and the X15, X15, X30, X31, X45, X46 X70, X71 and X72 are all stops for almost the entire journey (weren't the X5, X15, X45 and X46 just existing normal services renumbered to put an X in front?), then it's doing a TERRIBLE job of it.
(26 Jun 2022, 9:53 pm)F114TML If so, given the X21 is all stops south of Chester, the X1 is all stops south of Shiney Row, the X20 is only limited stop between Rainton and Belmont, and the X15, X15, X30, X31, X45, X46 X70, X71 and X72 are all stops for almost the entire journey (weren't the X5, X15, X45 and X46 just existing normal services renumbered to put an X in front?), then it's doing a TERRIBLE job of it.Yeah I think they were.
I thought it was simply to bring all the express ("express") routes under a single, unified brand.
(26 Jun 2022, 9:53 pm)F114TML If so, given the X21 is all stops south of Chester, the X1 is all stops south of Shiney Row, the X20 is only limited stop between Rainton and Belmont, and the X15, X15, X30, X31, X45, X46 X70, X71 and X72 are all stops for almost the entire journey (weren't the X5, X15, X45 and X46 just existing normal services renumbered to put an X in front?), then it's doing a TERRIBLE job of it.Yeah I think they were.
I thought it was simply to bring all the express ("express") routes under a single, unified brand.
Yes, just dug up the service change list.
X5 was formerly the 15A
X15 was formerly the 15 (these literally were just a change of number, absolutely no timetable or route change otherwise)
X45/X46/X47 were formerly the 45/46/47 and the difference was that the express versions were non-stop from Metrocentre to Newcastle.
http://web.archive.org/web/2020103021481...uly-373932
(this was at the same time they commenced the short-lived extension of the 33 to East Herrington).
For the 15/15A, would it not have hurt to just supplement them with a truely limited stop service if they really wanted an Xlines route round there?
(26 Jun 2022, 10:06 pm)F114TML Yes, just dug up the service change list.
X5 was formerly the 15A
X15 was formerly the 15 (these literally were just a change of number, absolutely no timetable or route change otherwise)
X45/X46/X47 were formerly the 45/46/47 and the difference was that the express versions were non-stop from Metrocentre to Newcastle.
http://web.archive.org/web/2020103021481...uly-373932
(this was at the same time they commenced the short-lived extension of the 33 to East Herrington).
For the 15/15A, would it not have hurt to just supplement them with a truely limited stop service if they really wanted an Xlines route round there?
(26 Jun 2022, 10:06 pm)F114TML Yes, just dug up the service change list.
X5 was formerly the 15A
X15 was formerly the 15 (these literally were just a change of number, absolutely no timetable or route change otherwise)
X45/X46/X47 were formerly the 45/46/47 and the difference was that the express versions were non-stop from Metrocentre to Newcastle.
http://web.archive.org/web/2020103021481...uly-373932
(this was at the same time they commenced the short-lived extension of the 33 to East Herrington).
For the 15/15A, would it not have hurt to just supplement them with a truely limited stop service if they really wanted an Xlines route round there?
(26 Jun 2022, 6:10 pm)busmanT Wasn't Xlines mean to be just that - faster interurban links with fewer stops?Think there was some patter about it being a comparable journey to the car.
(26 Jun 2022, 6:10 pm)busmanT Wasn't Xlines mean to be just that - faster interurban links with fewer stops?Think there was some patter about it being a comparable journey to the car.
(27 Jun 2022, 2:34 pm)Unber43 Same thing can be send for the X30/X31 is the 6.
But I don't really know what the X70/X71 especially the X72 as expresses.
(27 Jun 2022, 6:30 pm)Dan Clutching at straws somewhat when comparing it against the X70/X71, but clearly the 'slow' Consett to Newcastle service is the 47.We all know 47 is the slow service.
(27 Jun 2022, 6:30 pm)Dan Clutching at straws somewhat when comparing it against the X70/X71, but clearly the 'slow' Consett to Newcastle service is the 47.We all know 47 is the slow service.
(27 Jun 2022, 6:33 pm)Unber43 We all know 47 is the slow service.
But it would make sense if the 47 was either renamed the 45, or X45 renamed X47.
X70/X71 Consett in 1 hour I would say that is an express, I mean the X70 is pretty much a straightline.
And the X72 is 10 mins shorter than the 6, so that could probs count.
Really the X72/X30/X31 should be retimed to work at an every 20 mins frequency. even tho X72 is 20 mins longer
(27 Jun 2022, 6:33 pm)Unber43 We all know 47 is the slow service.
But it would make sense if the 47 was either renamed the 45, or X45 renamed X47.
X70/X71 Consett in 1 hour I would say that is an express, I mean the X70 is pretty much a straightline.
And the X72 is 10 mins shorter than the 6, so that could probs count.
Really the X72/X30/X31 should be retimed to work at an every 20 mins frequency. even tho X72 is 20 mins longer
(27 Jun 2022, 6:45 pm)Storx The X30/X31/X45/X70/X71/X72 aren't express services they literally stop at every bus stop bar a short section in Gateshead / Teams.GNE X20 aswell & X6.
Express services need to skip an area where a duplicate service runs the same route imo or a service which just runs between two areas without really stopping.
They're quite rare in the North East but the 1/X1 between Darlington and Shildon is probably the best example of one or the 21/X21 between Gateshead and Chester Le Street or for not stopping services the GNE X1/X66, Arriva X20 and SNE 100/X24
(27 Jun 2022, 6:45 pm)Storx The X30/X31/X45/X70/X71/X72 aren't express services they literally stop at every bus stop bar a short section in Gateshead / Teams.GNE X20 aswell & X6.
Express services need to skip an area where a duplicate service runs the same route imo or a service which just runs between two areas without really stopping.
They're quite rare in the North East but the 1/X1 between Darlington and Shildon is probably the best example of one or the 21/X21 between Gateshead and Chester Le Street or for not stopping services the GNE X1/X66, Arriva X20 and SNE 100/X24
(27 Jun 2022, 6:45 pm)Storx The X30/X31/X45/X70/X71/X72 aren't express services they literally stop at every bus stop bar a short section in Gateshead / Teams.
Express services need to skip an area where a duplicate service runs the same route imo or a service which just runs between two areas without really stopping.
They're quite rare in the North East but the 1/X1 between Darlington and Shildon is probably the best example of one or the 21/X21 between Gateshead and Chester Le Street or for not stopping services the GNE X1/X66, Arriva X20 and SNE 100/X24
(27 Jun 2022, 6:45 pm)Storx The X30/X31/X45/X70/X71/X72 aren't express services they literally stop at every bus stop bar a short section in Gateshead / Teams.
Express services need to skip an area where a duplicate service runs the same route imo or a service which just runs between two areas without really stopping.
They're quite rare in the North East but the 1/X1 between Darlington and Shildon is probably the best example of one or the 21/X21 between Gateshead and Chester Le Street or for not stopping services the GNE X1/X66, Arriva X20 and SNE 100/X24
