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Michael

19181

08 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm

Couple of changes to the Hexham locals have appeared on VOSA:

PB0003954/1372
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 682 (682) West Woodburn Hexham
Start point: West Woodburn
Finish point: Hexham
Via Ridsdale, Barrasford, Wall, Acomb

Change 7th January ^

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PB0003954/493
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 689 (689) Consett Hexham

Start point: Consett
Finish point: Hexham
Via Blackhill, Shotley Bridge, Ebchester, Whittonstall, Slaley

Change for 7th January ^

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

08 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm #1

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

V514DFT

2282

08 Dec 2022, 8:35 pm

That all?, doesnt seem like GNE at all that

Kind Regards
Tez

V514DFT

08 Dec 2022, 8:35 pm #2

That all?, doesnt seem like GNE at all that

Kind Regards
Tez

Michael

19181

08 Dec 2022, 8:40 pm

(08 Dec 2022, 8:35 pm)V514DFT That all?, doesnt seem like GNE at all that

So far

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

08 Dec 2022, 8:40 pm #3

(08 Dec 2022, 8:35 pm)V514DFT That all?, doesnt seem like GNE at all that

So far

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

peter

994

08 Dec 2022, 8:55 pm

(08 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)Michael Couple of changes to the Hexham locals have appeared on VOSA:

PB0003954/1372
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 682 (682) West Woodburn Hexham
Start point: West Woodburn
Finish point: Hexham
Via Ridsdale, Barrasford, Wall, Acomb

Change 7th January ^

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PB0003954/493
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 689 (689) Consett Hexham

Start point: Consett
Finish point: Hexham
Via Blackhill, Shotley Bridge, Ebchester, Whittonstall, Slaley

Change for 7th January ^

Seems GNE have won the 882 from Rural Link. Perhaps will be interworking with the 689 on Saturday

peter

08 Dec 2022, 8:55 pm #4

(08 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)Michael Couple of changes to the Hexham locals have appeared on VOSA:

PB0003954/1372
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 682 (682) West Woodburn Hexham
Start point: West Woodburn
Finish point: Hexham
Via Ridsdale, Barrasford, Wall, Acomb

Change 7th January ^

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PB0003954/493
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 689 (689) Consett Hexham

Start point: Consett
Finish point: Hexham
Via Blackhill, Shotley Bridge, Ebchester, Whittonstall, Slaley

Change for 7th January ^

Seems GNE have won the 882 from Rural Link. Perhaps will be interworking with the 689 on Saturday

Michael

19181

12 Dec 2022, 6:23 pm

(08 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)Michael Couple of changes to the Hexham locals have appeared on VOSA:

PB0003954/1372
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 682 (682) West Woodburn Hexham
Start point: West Woodburn
Finish point: Hexham
Via Ridsdale, Barrasford, Wall, Acomb

Change 7th January ^

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PB0003954/493
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 689 (689) Consett Hexham

Start point: Consett
Finish point: Hexham
Via Blackhill, Shotley Bridge, Ebchester, Whittonstall, Slaley

Change for 7th January ^

From the CSV:

682: New Service - Operates Saturday only
689: Saturday timetable Change

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

12 Dec 2022, 6:23 pm #5

(08 Dec 2022, 7:50 pm)Michael Couple of changes to the Hexham locals have appeared on VOSA:

PB0003954/1372
New GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 682 (682) West Woodburn Hexham
Start point: West Woodburn
Finish point: Hexham
Via Ridsdale, Barrasford, Wall, Acomb

Change 7th January ^

-----------
PB0003954/493
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 689 (689) Consett Hexham

Start point: Consett
Finish point: Hexham
Via Blackhill, Shotley Bridge, Ebchester, Whittonstall, Slaley

Change for 7th January ^

From the CSV:

682: New Service - Operates Saturday only
689: Saturday timetable Change

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

19181

16 Dec 2022, 7:41 pm

29 Jan 2023:

PB0003954/1204
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 16 (16, 16A, 16B) Hownsgill Industrial Estate Durham

PB0003954/1209
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 47 (47) Consett Newcastle

PB0003954/1211
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 78 (78) Sunderland Consett

PB0003954/367
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X45 (X45) Newcastle Consett

PB0003954/365
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X15 (X15, X5) Durham Shotley Bridge Hospital

PB0003954/559
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 10 (10, 10A, 10B) Hexham Newcastle

PB0003954/649
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 12 (12) Winlaton Newcastle

PB0003954/1288
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED V5 (V5) The Dene Crookhall

PB0003954/1102
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X30 (X31, X30) Stanley Newcastle

PB0003954/364
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X71 (X71, X72) Stanley Newcastle

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

16 Dec 2022, 7:41 pm #6

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Unber43

3570

16 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm

(16 Dec 2022, 7:41 pm)Michael 29 Jan 2023:

PB0003954/1204
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 16 (16, 16A, 16B) Hownsgill Industrial Estate Durham

PB0003954/1209
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 47 (47) Consett Newcastle

PB0003954/1211
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 78 (78) Sunderland Consett

PB0003954/367
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X45 (X45) Newcastle Consett

PB0003954/365
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X15 (X15, X5) Durham Shotley Bridge Hospital

PB0003954/559
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 10 (10, 10A, 10B) Hexham Newcastle

PB0003954/649
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 12 (12) Winlaton Newcastle

PB0003954/1288
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED V5 (V5) The Dene Crookhall

PB0003954/1102
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X30 (X31, X30) Stanley Newcastle

PB0003954/364
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X71 (X71, X72) Stanley Newcastle

Probs to help the reliability of the service, ever since the change the X45/X30/X31 have been absolutely attriocus.

Its probs for the reliability of all them as there are plenty of Delayed operations on all of these, also the X5/X15 has changed it used to go via Castleside, but on that it says Shotley Bridge

Unber43

16 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm #7

(16 Dec 2022, 7:41 pm)Michael 29 Jan 2023:

PB0003954/1204
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 16 (16, 16A, 16B) Hownsgill Industrial Estate Durham

PB0003954/1209
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 47 (47) Consett Newcastle

PB0003954/1211
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 78 (78) Sunderland Consett

PB0003954/367
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X45 (X45) Newcastle Consett

PB0003954/365
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X15 (X15, X5) Durham Shotley Bridge Hospital

PB0003954/559
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 10 (10, 10A, 10B) Hexham Newcastle

PB0003954/649
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 12 (12) Winlaton Newcastle

PB0003954/1288
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED V5 (V5) The Dene Crookhall

PB0003954/1102
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X30 (X31, X30) Stanley Newcastle

PB0003954/364
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X71 (X71, X72) Stanley Newcastle

L469 YVK

3561

16 Dec 2022, 9:42 pm

(16 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm)Unber43 Probs to help the reliability of the service, ever since the change the X45/X30/X31 have been absolutely attriocus.

Its probs for the reliability of all them as there are plenty of Delayed operations on all of these, also the X5/X15 has changed it used to go via Castleside, but on that it says Shotley Bridge

X30/X31 would be better off standalone using 6338-40 with 6341-51 all moving to Riverside, meaning a common fleet on the X10 & X21 and not a particular batch of vehicles getting a daily hammering. 7x out of the 15x would also form the Tyne Valley Ten PVR on Sundays to reduce fuel costs over B9TLs.

StreetDecks:
- 6331-33 - Washington Spares
- 6356-63 - X45 & X71/X72
- 6364-74 - X1
- 6375 - Washington Spare
- 6376-77 - X45 & X71/X72

E400MMC:
- 6336-37 - Consett Spares
- 6338-40 - X30/X31
- 6341-53 - X10 & X21 (X21 PVR back to 9 with layover)
- 6354-55 - Riverside Spares

B5TL:
- 6308-14 - Either for 47 or 58 (only 6x needed if 47)
- 6333-34 - Consett Spares

Full repaints:
- 7x B5TL to corporate

Partial repaints:
- 11x E400MMC to charcoal XLines

Decals:
- 8x StreetDeck changed to 'generic' Consett to Newcastle graphics for both X45 and X71/X72

- 6352-55 changed to 'generic' express links across North East but still Purple.

L469 YVK

16 Dec 2022, 9:42 pm #8

(16 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm)Unber43 Probs to help the reliability of the service, ever since the change the X45/X30/X31 have been absolutely attriocus.

Its probs for the reliability of all them as there are plenty of Delayed operations on all of these, also the X5/X15 has changed it used to go via Castleside, but on that it says Shotley Bridge

Michael

19181

18 Dec 2022, 11:28 am

(16 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm)Unber43 Probs to help the reliability of the service, ever since the change the X45/X30/X31 have been absolutely attriocus.

Its probs for the reliability of all them as there are plenty of Delayed operations on all of these, also the X5/X15 has changed it used to go via Castleside, but on that it says Shotley Bridge

Or cuts? - if word is true, GNE are making a massive loss.

I would expect more to appear on VOSA over the coming week.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

18 Dec 2022, 11:28 am #9

(16 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm)Unber43 Probs to help the reliability of the service, ever since the change the X45/X30/X31 have been absolutely attriocus.

Its probs for the reliability of all them as there are plenty of Delayed operations on all of these, also the X5/X15 has changed it used to go via Castleside, but on that it says Shotley Bridge

Or cuts? - if word is true, GNE are making a massive loss.

I would expect more to appear on VOSA over the coming week.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Aaron21

798

19 Dec 2022, 3:20 pm

#10

Changes appeared on bustimes.org

X45/16 cut from Consett Depot

47 cut from Shotley Bridge (16 replace)

V5 to replace X45/16 to Consett Depot

12 now serving another new one way Loop round Winlaton (wish they would make there mind up)

Aaron21

19 Dec 2022, 3:20 pm #10

Jack Gill

167

19 Dec 2022, 3:36 pm

#11

Very weird to see the 16 going to Shotley Bridge..

Jack Gill

19 Dec 2022, 3:36 pm #11

Very weird to see the 16 going to Shotley Bridge..

Michael

19181

19 Dec 2022, 7:55 pm

#12

(19 Dec 2022, 3:20 pm)Aaron21 Changes appeared on bustimes.org

X45/16 cut from Consett Depot

47 cut from Shotley Bridge (16 replace)

V5 to replace X45/16 to Consett Depot

12 now serving another new one way Loop round Winlaton (wish they would make there mind up)

They must of been took off, can't see anything for those routes now.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

19 Dec 2022, 7:55 pm #12

(19 Dec 2022, 3:20 pm)Aaron21 Changes appeared on bustimes.org

X45/16 cut from Consett Depot

47 cut from Shotley Bridge (16 replace)

V5 to replace X45/16 to Consett Depot

12 now serving another new one way Loop round Winlaton (wish they would make there mind up)

They must of been took off, can't see anything for those routes now.

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

S813 FVK

6030

19 Dec 2022, 8:20 pm

#13

(19 Dec 2022, 7:55 pm)Michael They must of been took off, can't see anything for those routes now.

They'll be at the top of the 'Cancelled' list further down the page, as were the 682/689 registrations until the latest refresh.
https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0003954

S813 FVK

19 Dec 2022, 8:20 pm #13

(19 Dec 2022, 7:55 pm)Michael They must of been took off, can't see anything for those routes now.

They'll be at the top of the 'Cancelled' list further down the page, as were the 682/689 registrations until the latest refresh.
https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0003954

Michael

19181

19 Dec 2022, 8:26 pm

#14

(19 Dec 2022, 8:20 pm)S813 FVK They'll be at the top of the 'Cancelled' list further down the page, as were the 682/689 registrations until the latest refresh.
https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0003954

Thank you, maybe I should of looked better.... Angel

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Michael

19 Dec 2022, 8:26 pm #14

(19 Dec 2022, 8:20 pm)S813 FVK They'll be at the top of the 'Cancelled' list further down the page, as were the 682/689 registrations until the latest refresh.
https://bustimes.org/licences/PB0003954

Thank you, maybe I should of looked better.... Angel

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Unber43

3570

19 Dec 2022, 8:49 pm

#15

(19 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm)L469 YVK Allocations
- 6356-63 & 6376-77 = 47/X45/X71/X72
- 6338-43 = X5/X15 & X30/X31

Spares
- 6334-35 - Volvo B5TL
- 6336-37 - E400MMC - 1x forms PVR of X5/X15 with reserve B5LH stepping in if needed

Vehicles Released
- 6344-51 - To Riverside for X10 & X21 alongside 6352-55 (based on X21 PVR remaining at 8x)
- 6043-48 - Various
- 6065-68 - To reserve
- 6308-14 - 58

PVR 47/X45/X71/X72 is 16, there are only 10 there...

Unber43

19 Dec 2022, 8:49 pm #15

(19 Dec 2022, 8:30 pm)L469 YVK Allocations
- 6356-63 & 6376-77 = 47/X45/X71/X72
- 6338-43 = X5/X15 & X30/X31

Spares
- 6334-35 - Volvo B5TL
- 6336-37 - E400MMC - 1x forms PVR of X5/X15 with reserve B5LH stepping in if needed

Vehicles Released
- 6344-51 - To Riverside for X10 & X21 alongside 6352-55 (based on X21 PVR remaining at 8x)
- 6043-48 - Various
- 6065-68 - To reserve
- 6308-14 - 58

PVR 47/X45/X71/X72 is 16, there are only 10 there...

L469 YVK

3561

19 Dec 2022, 8:57 pm

#16

Completely mis-calculated ooooppps!

L469 YVK

19 Dec 2022, 8:57 pm #16

Completely mis-calculated ooooppps!

Tiger5105

127

23 Dec 2022, 10:32 pm

#17

I had hoped the changes to the X45 would have increased reliability on an evening. As its a service used by my son and daughter frequently on an evening and there is only 1 per hour to Consett it is regularly 30 mins late, no doubt due to the impossible to keep to timetable.
Both buses on there tonight are again 30 mins late.
How are the public meant to have any confidence in bus travel when they aren't even sure a once an hour bus is going to turn up?!

Tiger5105

23 Dec 2022, 10:32 pm #17

Unber43

3570

23 Dec 2022, 10:38 pm

#18

(23 Dec 2022, 10:32 pm)Tiger5105 I had hoped the changes to the X45 would have increased reliability on an evening. As its a service used by my son and daughter frequently on an evening and there is only 1 per hour to Consett it is regularly 30 mins late, no doubt due to the impossible to keep to timetable.
Both buses on there tonight are again 30 mins late.
How are the public meant to have any confidence in bus travel when they aren't even sure a once an hour bus is going to turn up?!

Yeah its really bad. There are about 9 services (X45/47/X30/X31/56/X1/21/X21/78) Aswell as 8 & 6 sometimes which get hammered with delays constantly a daily occurance.

Unber43

23 Dec 2022, 10:38 pm #18

(23 Dec 2022, 10:32 pm)Tiger5105 I had hoped the changes to the X45 would have increased reliability on an evening. As its a service used by my son and daughter frequently on an evening and there is only 1 per hour to Consett it is regularly 30 mins late, no doubt due to the impossible to keep to timetable.
Both buses on there tonight are again 30 mins late.
How are the public meant to have any confidence in bus travel when they aren't even sure a once an hour bus is going to turn up?!

Yeah its really bad. There are about 9 services (X45/47/X30/X31/56/X1/21/X21/78) Aswell as 8 & 6 sometimes which get hammered with delays constantly a daily occurance.

Tiger5105

127

23 Dec 2022, 11:16 pm

#19

(23 Dec 2022, 10:38 pm)Unber43 Yeah its really bad. There are about 9 services (X45/47/X30/X31/56/X1/21/X21/78) Aswell as 8 & 6 sometimes which get hammered with delays constantly a daily occurance.

I know GNE can't help delays but take the X45 . Once an hour on an evening and a hard to stick to timetable even with no hold ups means the slightest hold up in traffic around the metrocentre or Newcastle on and evening and the driver loses any chance of making time up for the whole evening. Even the supposed 6 min layover at Eldon Square isn't in reality if a bus can't stick to a timetable even with very little holdups!

Tiger5105

23 Dec 2022, 11:16 pm #19

(23 Dec 2022, 10:38 pm)Unber43 Yeah its really bad. There are about 9 services (X45/47/X30/X31/56/X1/21/X21/78) Aswell as 8 & 6 sometimes which get hammered with delays constantly a daily occurance.

L469 YVK

3561

24 Dec 2022, 8:48 am

#20

(23 Dec 2022, 11:16 pm)Tiger5105 I know GNE can't help delays but take the X45 . Once an hour on an evening and a hard to stick to timetable even with no hold ups means the slightest hold up in traffic around the metrocentre or Newcastle on and evening and the driver loses any chance of making time up for the whole evening. Even the supposed 6 min layover at Eldon Square isn't in reality if a bus can't stick to a timetable even with very little holdups!

It's not just the running times, it's if anything earlier in the evening happens plus suitable drivers / rotas to regulate things.

If a relief is due to happen before going into evening running times, then delays can be erradicated. But if not, then that's where things can get messy.

Take Arriva's 308 for example which is also a 1hr round trip like the X45. If the 20:14 ex Blyth (board finishes back at Blyth for 00:09) can get a replacement driver AND vehicle, then it can be regulated if the earlier journeys on the board are running late. But if no replacement vehicle readily available, then the relief driver would just have to pick up the late running vehicle.

On another note.......if the 12 is going to remain every 30 minutes (PVR 3), would it not make sense for.....

- 12 moves to Consett and interworks with the 6 again

- Daytime X30/X31 operations move to Riverside with changeovers in Dunston

Means all 20x E400MMC could then be moved to Riverside for X10/X21/X30/X31. Total PVR would be 16x with 2x 69/20/70 plate spares available and also 6336-37. X21 long layover also re-introduced.

Then for Consett with some interworking pattern changes......

- 47-X71-X71-X45 - PVR 5x
- 47-X72-X72-X45 - PVR 5x
- X45-47 - PVR 5x

Consett Decker Fleet (Newcastle routes):
- 6356-63 - 47/X45/X71/X72
- 6376-77 - 47/X45/X71/X72
- 6308-12 - 47/X45/X71/X72
- 6313-14 - Spare*
- 6334-35 - Spare*

* Spares if not needed on any of the Newcastle routes could then be used on the X5/X15.

L469 YVK

24 Dec 2022, 8:48 am #20

(23 Dec 2022, 11:16 pm)Tiger5105 I know GNE can't help delays but take the X45 . Once an hour on an evening and a hard to stick to timetable even with no hold ups means the slightest hold up in traffic around the metrocentre or Newcastle on and evening and the driver loses any chance of making time up for the whole evening. Even the supposed 6 min layover at Eldon Square isn't in reality if a bus can't stick to a timetable even with very little holdups!

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