Qualifying Agreement - A1058 Coast Road
Qualifying Agreement - A1058 Coast Road
(24 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm)L469 YVK I do think an initial trial night bus covering the Coast Road on a Friday & Saturday evening (backed by TNE/NECA, Arriva & GNE) would work though using 1x bus (a StreetLite). GNE are already losing money on the last full 1 ex Whitley Bay to MetroCentre with all the dead running back to Percy Main. An N308 would give the service opportunity to carry revenue back towards the Coast, plus the fact that the STACK in Whitley Bay would also minimise losses towards Newcastle to pick up the later journey.
Newcastle Newgate Street - The Gate: 00:25
Whitley Bay - Park Avenue: 01:04
Whitley Bay - The Avenue (For STACK): 01:10
Newcastle - St Mary's Place: 01:44
Newcastle Newgate Street - The Gate: 01:55
Whitley Bay - Park Avenue: 02:34
Newcastle stops:
* Newgate Street - The Gate
* Grainger Street - McDonalds
* Market Street West
* Pilgrim Street
* John Dobson Street - Near City Hall
Then same route as 308 but via High Farm & Battle Hill Drive, and omitting Silverlink slip road
(24 Aug 2023, 5:28 pm)L469 YVK I do think an initial trial night bus covering the Coast Road on a Friday & Saturday evening (backed by TNE/NECA, Arriva & GNE) would work though using 1x bus (a StreetLite). GNE are already losing money on the last full 1 ex Whitley Bay to MetroCentre with all the dead running back to Percy Main. An N308 would give the service opportunity to carry revenue back towards the Coast, plus the fact that the STACK in Whitley Bay would also minimise losses towards Newcastle to pick up the later journey.
Newcastle Newgate Street - The Gate: 00:25
Whitley Bay - Park Avenue: 01:04
Whitley Bay - The Avenue (For STACK): 01:10
Newcastle - St Mary's Place: 01:44
Newcastle Newgate Street - The Gate: 01:55
Whitley Bay - Park Avenue: 02:34
Newcastle stops:
* Newgate Street - The Gate
* Grainger Street - McDonalds
* Market Street West
* Pilgrim Street
* John Dobson Street - Near City Hall
Then same route as 308 but via High Farm & Battle Hill Drive, and omitting Silverlink slip road
Today I experienced a blizzare but frustrating event.
All buses was running to delays when checked the bus I was on (GNE) was 26min late and pulled over at a bus stop and chucked all his passengers off and told them his bus is coming off service and to get the bus behind which was following along Battlehill and High Farm.
Before disembarking at a bus stop with no connecting bus behind I asked about what would happen if I was unable to board he assured me I could... I asked again if I cannot get on the bus can I use the bus after ... His response was I don't know probably... - I stopped enabling no passenger to get off to to define probably as it's 50 50 I need a dedicated wheelchair space to continue my journey
Luckily the next bus was accomodating but overloaded but an interesting find was
That some dedicated wheelchair spaces are bigger than others on coast and cobalt buses ....
Is this a common for buses late buses to chuck passengers off to regulate them back on route ..
This previous 311 service may of been beneficial to assist by picking passengers up for the services from Haymarket and advising 309 passengers to board this service your bus will be at Chillingham road to continue your journey after all it's a 5 min corridor so this would be achievable
(28 Aug 2023, 10:52 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Today I experienced a blizzare but frustrating event.When the 311 ran on a Sunday, the 310 still experienced issues due to the interworking patterns with service 309 at the time. Thankfully now any issues with the 309 are confined to the 309 on a Sunday with the 307 being standalone. So the 307 worst case can pick up passengers to allow them to change to a regulated 309 further downroute.
All buses was running to delays when checked the bus I was on (GNE) was 26min late and pulled over at a bus stop and chucked all his passengers off and told them his bus is coming off service and to get the bus behind which was following along Battlehill and High Farm.
Before disembarking at a bus stop with no connecting bus behind I asked about what would happen if I was unable to board he assured me I could... I asked again if I cannot get on the bus can I use the bus after ... His response was I don't know probably... - I stopped enabling no passenger to get off to to define probably as it's 50 50 I need a dedicated wheelchair space to continue my journey
Luckily the next bus was accomodating but overloaded but an interesting find was
That some dedicated wheelchair spaces are bigger than others on coast and cobalt buses ....
Is this a common for buses late buses to chuck passengers off to regulate them back on route ..
This previous 311 service may of been beneficial to assist by picking passengers up for the services from Haymarket and advising 309 passengers to board this service your bus will be at Chillingham road to continue your journey after all it's a 5 min corridor so this would be achievable
(28 Aug 2023, 10:52 pm)DaveFromUpNorth Today I experienced a blizzare but frustrating event.When the 311 ran on a Sunday, the 310 still experienced issues due to the interworking patterns with service 309 at the time. Thankfully now any issues with the 309 are confined to the 309 on a Sunday with the 307 being standalone. So the 307 worst case can pick up passengers to allow them to change to a regulated 309 further downroute.
All buses was running to delays when checked the bus I was on (GNE) was 26min late and pulled over at a bus stop and chucked all his passengers off and told them his bus is coming off service and to get the bus behind which was following along Battlehill and High Farm.
Before disembarking at a bus stop with no connecting bus behind I asked about what would happen if I was unable to board he assured me I could... I asked again if I cannot get on the bus can I use the bus after ... His response was I don't know probably... - I stopped enabling no passenger to get off to to define probably as it's 50 50 I need a dedicated wheelchair space to continue my journey
Luckily the next bus was accomodating but overloaded but an interesting find was
That some dedicated wheelchair spaces are bigger than others on coast and cobalt buses ....
Is this a common for buses late buses to chuck passengers off to regulate them back on route ..
This previous 311 service may of been beneficial to assist by picking passengers up for the services from Haymarket and advising 309 passengers to board this service your bus will be at Chillingham road to continue your journey after all it's a 5 min corridor so this would be achievable
(29 Aug 2023, 6:37 am)L469 YVK When the 311 ran on a Sunday, the 310 still experienced issues due to the interworking patterns with service 309 at the time. Thankfully now any issues with the 309 are confined to the 309 on a Sunday with the 307 being standalone. So the 307 worst case can pick up passengers to allow them to change to a regulated 309 further downroute.
Far cry from the days of Arriva barely being able to keep to time with a PVR of 4x on the 308 on Sundays. Something needs done for both routes as the traffic is only going to get worse down the Coast. But it's not something that warrants extra permanent resource.
Maybe on Sundays & Bank Holidays when a match day or when there's expected hot weather....Arriva & GNE work as part of the agreement to provide a spare bus & driver to pick up severe late running.
Arriva picks anything up at the Blyth end of the route and likewise, GNE via Riverside Depot fill in at the Newcastle end of the route.
(29 Aug 2023, 6:37 am)L469 YVK When the 311 ran on a Sunday, the 310 still experienced issues due to the interworking patterns with service 309 at the time. Thankfully now any issues with the 309 are confined to the 309 on a Sunday with the 307 being standalone. So the 307 worst case can pick up passengers to allow them to change to a regulated 309 further downroute.
Far cry from the days of Arriva barely being able to keep to time with a PVR of 4x on the 308 on Sundays. Something needs done for both routes as the traffic is only going to get worse down the Coast. But it's not something that warrants extra permanent resource.
Maybe on Sundays & Bank Holidays when a match day or when there's expected hot weather....Arriva & GNE work as part of the agreement to provide a spare bus & driver to pick up severe late running.
Arriva picks anything up at the Blyth end of the route and likewise, GNE via Riverside Depot fill in at the Newcastle end of the route.
(29 Aug 2023, 8:08 am)Rob44 Hello is that Fred asks the nasty arriva planner?? The itv weather says its going to be boiling hot on Sunday so can i pencil you in for a day running an extra 308??
Comes to Sunday and fred has to find his wellies and raincoat to travel to work!!!
Fred is also told to keep the week of the 24th september free as even though he is on annual leave and going to Miami for 2 weeks he needs to be available in case Newcastle get a home tie in the Carabo Cup/Champions league that week and may be needed for a n extra bus just before and just after the match
(29 Aug 2023, 8:08 am)Rob44 Hello is that Fred asks the nasty arriva planner?? The itv weather says its going to be boiling hot on Sunday so can i pencil you in for a day running an extra 308??
Comes to Sunday and fred has to find his wellies and raincoat to travel to work!!!
Fred is also told to keep the week of the 24th september free as even though he is on annual leave and going to Miami for 2 weeks he needs to be available in case Newcastle get a home tie in the Carabo Cup/Champions league that week and may be needed for a n extra bus just before and just after the match
Just a thought after seeing the post about the delayed open topper 309 the other day. But currently during the evenings.......
- 306 - 33 minutes sitting doing sweet FA in Tynemouth.
- 307 - extra PVR due to 56 minute gap in North Shields (okay, less of an issue with Percy Main a short distance away)
- Poor coordination between the 308 & 309 from Haymarket.
- 5 minutes layover at Haymarket can be tight at times.
So with the 351 brought into the Qualifying Agreement (between Newcastle and Wiltshire Drive) and the 307/309 interworking pattern PVR reduced by 1x, would a 10 minute combined frequency not work using the below as an example and taking the 351 into account too?
306/308
- 308 ex Newcastle 19:17 > arr Blyth 20:14
- 308 ex Blyth 20:32 > arr Newcastle 21:28
- 306 ex Newcastle 21:37 > arr Tynemouth 22:18
- 306 ex Tynemouth 22:27 > arr Newcastle 23:08
307/309
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:07 > arr North Shields 19:49
- 307 ex North Shields 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:38
- 309 ex Newcastle 20:47 > arr Blyth 21:49
- 309 ex Blyth 21:53 > arr Newcastle 22:58
307 (to Hadrian Park only)
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:27 > arr Hadrian Park 19:50
- 307 ex Hadrian Park 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:18
351 - Does anti-clockwise loop of Holystone Park and Holystone Whitley Road during evenings instead
- 351 ex Newcastle 20:57 > arr Holystone Park 21:21
- 351 ex Holystone Park 21:21 > arr Newcastle 21:48
Departures from Haymarket would be.......
- 307 North Shields - xx:07
- 308 Blyth - xx:17
- 307 Hadrian Park xx:27
- 306 Tynemouth xx:37
- 309 Blyth xx:47
- 351 Holystone Park xx:57 - Evening journeys depart from Stand M at Haymarket
Last journeys would be
306 ex Newcastle
- 22:37 - Tynemouth
- 23:17 - Tynemouth
306 ex Tynemouth
- 22:27 - Newcastle
- 23:27 - Coast Road / Selby Gardens
307 ex Newcastle
- 22:27 - Hadrian Park
- 23:07 - North Shields
- 23:47 - Norham Road / Stannington Road
307 ex North Shields
- 22:51 - Newcastle
- 23:51 - Hadrian Park
307 ex Hadrian Park (shorts)
- 21:51 - Newcastle
308 ex Newcastle
- 22:17 - Blyth
- 23:32 - Blyth
308 ex Blyth
- 21:32 - Newcastle
- 22:31 - Newcastle
- 23:16 - Lynn Road / Billy Mill
309 ex Newcastle
- 22:47 - Blyth
309 ex Blyth
- 22:53 - New York
351 ex Newcastle
- 22:57 - Holystone Park (completes anti-clockwise loop to serve Holystone Whitley Road too)
351 ex Holystone Park
- 22:21 - Newcastle
(10 Sep 2023, 12:47 am)L469 YVK Just a thought after seeing the post about the delayed open topper 309 the other day. But currently during the evenings.......
- 306 - 33 minutes sitting doing sweet FA in Tynemouth.
- 307 - extra PVR due to 56 minute gap in North Shields (okay, less of an issue with Percy Main a short distance away)
- Poor coordination between the 308 & 309 from Haymarket.
- 5 minutes layover at Haymarket can be tight at times.
So with the 351 brought into the Qualifying Agreement (between Newcastle and Wiltshire Drive) and the 307/309 interworking pattern PVR reduced by 1x, would a 10 minute combined frequency not work using the below as an example and taking the 351 into account too?
306/308
- 308 ex Newcastle 19:17 > arr Blyth 20:14
- 308 ex Blyth 20:32 > arr Newcastle 21:28
- 306 ex Newcastle 21:37 > arr Tynemouth 22:18
- 306 ex Tynemouth 22:27 > arr Newcastle 23:08
307/309
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:07 > arr North Shields 19:49
- 307 ex North Shields 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:38
- 309 ex Newcastle 20:47 > arr Blyth 21:49
- 309 ex Blyth 21:53 > arr Newcastle 22:58
307 (to Hadrian Park only)
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:27 > arr Hadrian Park 19:50
- 307 ex Hadrian Park 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:18
351 - Does anti-clockwise loop of Holystone Park and Holystone Whitley Road during evenings instead
- 351 ex Newcastle 20:57 > arr Holystone Park 21:21
- 351 ex Holystone Park 21:21 > arr Newcastle 21:48
Departures from Haymarket would be.......
- 307 North Shields - xx:07
- 308 Blyth - xx:17
- 307 Hadrian Park xx:27
- 306 Tynemouth xx:37
- 309 Blyth xx:47
- 351 Holystone Park xx:57 - Evening journeys depart from Stand M at Haymarket
Last journeys would be
306 ex Newcastle
- 22:37 - Tynemouth
- 23:17 - Tynemouth
306 ex Tynemouth
- 22:27 - Newcastle
- 23:27 - Coast Road / Selby Gardens
307 ex Newcastle
- 22:27 - Hadrian Park
- 23:07 - North Shields
- 23:47 - Norham Road / Stannington Road
307 ex North Shields
- 22:51 - Newcastle
- 23:51 - Hadrian Park
307 ex Hadrian Park (shorts)
- 21:51 - Newcastle
308 ex Newcastle
- 22:17 - Blyth
- 23:32 - Blyth
308 ex Blyth
- 21:32 - Newcastle
- 22:31 - Newcastle
- 23:16 - Lynn Road / Billy Mill
309 ex Newcastle
- 22:47 - Blyth
309 ex Blyth
- 22:53 - New York
351 ex Newcastle
- 22:57 - Holystone Park (completes anti-clockwise loop to serve Holystone Whitley Road too)
351 ex Holystone Park
- 22:21 - Newcastle
(10 Sep 2023, 12:47 am)L469 YVK Just a thought after seeing the post about the delayed open topper 309 the other day. But currently during the evenings.......
- 306 - 33 minutes sitting doing sweet FA in Tynemouth.
- 307 - extra PVR due to 56 minute gap in North Shields (okay, less of an issue with Percy Main a short distance away)
- Poor coordination between the 308 & 309 from Haymarket.
- 5 minutes layover at Haymarket can be tight at times.
So with the 351 brought into the Qualifying Agreement (between Newcastle and Wiltshire Drive) and the 307/309 interworking pattern PVR reduced by 1x, would a 10 minute combined frequency not work using the below as an example and taking the 351 into account too?
306/308
- 308 ex Newcastle 19:17 > arr Blyth 20:14
- 308 ex Blyth 20:32 > arr Newcastle 21:28
- 306 ex Newcastle 21:37 > arr Tynemouth 22:18
- 306 ex Tynemouth 22:27 > arr Newcastle 23:08
307/309
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:07 > arr North Shields 19:49
- 307 ex North Shields 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:38
- 309 ex Newcastle 20:47 > arr Blyth 21:49
- 309 ex Blyth 21:53 > arr Newcastle 22:58
307 (to Hadrian Park only)
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:27 > arr Hadrian Park 19:50
- 307 ex Hadrian Park 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:18
351 - Does anti-clockwise loop of Holystone Park and Holystone Whitley Road during evenings instead
- 351 ex Newcastle 20:57 > arr Holystone Park 21:21
- 351 ex Holystone Park 21:21 > arr Newcastle 21:48
Departures from Haymarket would be.......
- 307 North Shields - xx:07
- 308 Blyth - xx:17
- 307 Hadrian Park xx:27
- 306 Tynemouth xx:37
- 309 Blyth xx:47
- 351 Holystone Park xx:57 - Evening journeys depart from Stand M at Haymarket
Last journeys would be
306 ex Newcastle
- 22:37 - Tynemouth
- 23:17 - Tynemouth
306 ex Tynemouth
- 22:27 - Newcastle
- 23:27 - Coast Road / Selby Gardens
307 ex Newcastle
- 22:27 - Hadrian Park
- 23:07 - North Shields
- 23:47 - Norham Road / Stannington Road
307 ex North Shields
- 22:51 - Newcastle
- 23:51 - Hadrian Park
307 ex Hadrian Park (shorts)
- 21:51 - Newcastle
308 ex Newcastle
- 22:17 - Blyth
- 23:32 - Blyth
308 ex Blyth
- 21:32 - Newcastle
- 22:31 - Newcastle
- 23:16 - Lynn Road / Billy Mill
309 ex Newcastle
- 22:47 - Blyth
309 ex Blyth
- 22:53 - New York
351 ex Newcastle
- 22:57 - Holystone Park (completes anti-clockwise loop to serve Holystone Whitley Road too)
351 ex Holystone Park
- 22:21 - Newcastle
(10 Sep 2023, 12:47 am)L469 YVK Just a thought after seeing the post about the delayed open topper 309 the other day. But currently during the evenings.......
- 306 - 33 minutes sitting doing sweet FA in Tynemouth.
- 307 - extra PVR due to 56 minute gap in North Shields (okay, less of an issue with Percy Main a short distance away)
- Poor coordination between the 308 & 309 from Haymarket.
- 5 minutes layover at Haymarket can be tight at times.
So with the 351 brought into the Qualifying Agreement (between Newcastle and Wiltshire Drive) and the 307/309 interworking pattern PVR reduced by 1x, would a 10 minute combined frequency not work using the below as an example and taking the 351 into account too?
306/308
- 308 ex Newcastle 19:17 > arr Blyth 20:14
- 308 ex Blyth 20:32 > arr Newcastle 21:28
- 306 ex Newcastle 21:37 > arr Tynemouth 22:18
- 306 ex Tynemouth 22:27 > arr Newcastle 23:08
307/309
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:07 > arr North Shields 19:49
- 307 ex North Shields 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:38
- 309 ex Newcastle 20:47 > arr Blyth 21:49
- 309 ex Blyth 21:53 > arr Newcastle 22:58
307 (to Hadrian Park only)
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:27 > arr Hadrian Park 19:50
- 307 ex Hadrian Park 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:18
351 - Does anti-clockwise loop of Holystone Park and Holystone Whitley Road during evenings instead
- 351 ex Newcastle 20:57 > arr Holystone Park 21:21
- 351 ex Holystone Park 21:21 > arr Newcastle 21:48
Departures from Haymarket would be.......
- 307 North Shields - xx:07
- 308 Blyth - xx:17
- 307 Hadrian Park xx:27
- 306 Tynemouth xx:37
- 309 Blyth xx:47
- 351 Holystone Park xx:57 - Evening journeys depart from Stand M at Haymarket
Last journeys would be
306 ex Newcastle
- 22:37 - Tynemouth
- 23:17 - Tynemouth
306 ex Tynemouth
- 22:27 - Newcastle
- 23:27 - Coast Road / Selby Gardens
307 ex Newcastle
- 22:27 - Hadrian Park
- 23:07 - North Shields
- 23:47 - Norham Road / Stannington Road
307 ex North Shields
- 22:51 - Newcastle
- 23:51 - Hadrian Park
307 ex Hadrian Park (shorts)
- 21:51 - Newcastle
308 ex Newcastle
- 22:17 - Blyth
- 23:32 - Blyth
308 ex Blyth
- 21:32 - Newcastle
- 22:31 - Newcastle
- 23:16 - Lynn Road / Billy Mill
309 ex Newcastle
- 22:47 - Blyth
309 ex Blyth
- 22:53 - New York
351 ex Newcastle
- 22:57 - Holystone Park (completes anti-clockwise loop to serve Holystone Whitley Road too)
351 ex Holystone Park
- 22:21 - Newcastle
(10 Sep 2023, 12:47 am)L469 YVK Just a thought after seeing the post about the delayed open topper 309 the other day. But currently during the evenings.......
- 306 - 33 minutes sitting doing sweet FA in Tynemouth.
- 307 - extra PVR due to 56 minute gap in North Shields (okay, less of an issue with Percy Main a short distance away)
- Poor coordination between the 308 & 309 from Haymarket.
- 5 minutes layover at Haymarket can be tight at times.
So with the 351 brought into the Qualifying Agreement (between Newcastle and Wiltshire Drive) and the 307/309 interworking pattern PVR reduced by 1x, would a 10 minute combined frequency not work using the below as an example and taking the 351 into account too?
306/308
- 308 ex Newcastle 19:17 > arr Blyth 20:14
- 308 ex Blyth 20:32 > arr Newcastle 21:28
- 306 ex Newcastle 21:37 > arr Tynemouth 22:18
- 306 ex Tynemouth 22:27 > arr Newcastle 23:08
307/309
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:07 > arr North Shields 19:49
- 307 ex North Shields 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:38
- 309 ex Newcastle 20:47 > arr Blyth 21:49
- 309 ex Blyth 21:53 > arr Newcastle 22:58
307 (to Hadrian Park only)
- 307 ex Newcastle 19:27 > arr Hadrian Park 19:50
- 307 ex Hadrian Park 19:51 > arr Newcastle 20:18
351 - Does anti-clockwise loop of Holystone Park and Holystone Whitley Road during evenings instead
- 351 ex Newcastle 20:57 > arr Holystone Park 21:21
- 351 ex Holystone Park 21:21 > arr Newcastle 21:48
Departures from Haymarket would be.......
- 307 North Shields - xx:07
- 308 Blyth - xx:17
- 307 Hadrian Park xx:27
- 306 Tynemouth xx:37
- 309 Blyth xx:47
- 351 Holystone Park xx:57 - Evening journeys depart from Stand M at Haymarket
Last journeys would be
306 ex Newcastle
- 22:37 - Tynemouth
- 23:17 - Tynemouth
306 ex Tynemouth
- 22:27 - Newcastle
- 23:27 - Coast Road / Selby Gardens
307 ex Newcastle
- 22:27 - Hadrian Park
- 23:07 - North Shields
- 23:47 - Norham Road / Stannington Road
307 ex North Shields
- 22:51 - Newcastle
- 23:51 - Hadrian Park
307 ex Hadrian Park (shorts)
- 21:51 - Newcastle
308 ex Newcastle
- 22:17 - Blyth
- 23:32 - Blyth
308 ex Blyth
- 21:32 - Newcastle
- 22:31 - Newcastle
- 23:16 - Lynn Road / Billy Mill
309 ex Newcastle
- 22:47 - Blyth
309 ex Blyth
- 22:53 - New York
351 ex Newcastle
- 22:57 - Holystone Park (completes anti-clockwise loop to serve Holystone Whitley Road too)
351 ex Holystone Park
- 22:21 - Newcastle
(10 Sep 2023, 11:01 am)RobinHood Unlikely to happen, given the QA is voluntary and Arriva wouldn't sign up to all of the multi ticket acceptance and co-ordination if the balance of the operation isn't broadly equal.But if anything.....the 351 thrown in and coordinated along with an additional short 307 trip would sort the 33 minute layover situation out for Arriva's evening 306 journeys and although less impactful....GNE's 56 minute gap on the evening 307's.
The suggestion of bringing the 351 into it means Go-Ahead would have a higher majority of the operating milage and therefore no longer broadly equal.
(10 Sep 2023, 11:01 am)RobinHood Unlikely to happen, given the QA is voluntary and Arriva wouldn't sign up to all of the multi ticket acceptance and co-ordination if the balance of the operation isn't broadly equal.But if anything.....the 351 thrown in and coordinated along with an additional short 307 trip would sort the 33 minute layover situation out for Arriva's evening 306 journeys and although less impactful....GNE's 56 minute gap on the evening 307's.
The suggestion of bringing the 351 into it means Go-Ahead would have a higher majority of the operating milage and therefore no longer broadly equal.
Wouldnt it be better to do something with the 335 and interwork that with the 41 infact now the 335 only go's as far as Hadrian Park you could can it altogether
335 Killingworth- Hadrian Park via Wallsend as now to Station Road then Wiltshire Drive/Wiltshire Gardens, West Street High Street West,Wallsend Interchange, Station Road, Mullen Road, Battle Hill Drive, Hadrian Park (The Bush), return same as Wallsend-Hadrian Park to Wallsend Interchange, then via Station Road (The Forum), Elton Street West, West Street, then the same route as Killingworth- Wallsend
342 would no longer serve West Street and High Street West, instead serving Station Road, The Forum, Wallsend Interchange, swapping with the 41/335
(10 Sep 2023, 3:31 pm)L469 YVK But if anything.....the 351 thrown in and coordinated along with an additional short 307 trip would sort the 33 minute layover situation out for Arriva's evening 306 journeys and although less impactful....GNE's 56 minute gap on the evening 307's.
(10 Sep 2023, 3:31 pm)L469 YVK But if anything.....the 351 thrown in and coordinated along with an additional short 307 trip would sort the 33 minute layover situation out for Arriva's evening 306 journeys and although less impactful....GNE's 56 minute gap on the evening 307's.
(10 Sep 2023, 11:35 am)Storx The 351 badly needs to run the full route, there's massive housing estates without an evening bus service at all currently and shouldn't be part of the Coast Road network.
imo the North Tyneside / SE Northumberland subsidised evening service should be the following:
1: Whitley Bay to wherever (Hourly)
19: North Shields to Cramlington (Hourly)
37: Cramlington to West End (Hourly)
41: Wallsend to Hadrian Park (Hourly)
57A: Whitley Bay to Bedlington (Hourly)
306: Extended to Whitley Bay (Hourly)
317: Whitley Bay to Wallsend (Hourly)
342: Killingworth to Wallsend (Hourly)
351: Whitley Bay to Newcastle (Hourly)
353: North Shields to Cramlington (Hourly)
359: Whitley Bay to Killingworth (Hourly)
351 -> 359 -> 342 -> 41 all interworking together.
1 / 306 - Interworking to provide 2 BPH between North Shields and Whitley Bay or thereabouts.
Everything else withdrawn or not replaced including the 54 (not a mistake). It would mean that everywhere would have a bus service 7 days a week, from early to late. There's absolutely no need for the 19 and 317 to be both 2 BPH as now either.
(10 Sep 2023, 11:35 am)Storx The 351 badly needs to run the full route, there's massive housing estates without an evening bus service at all currently and shouldn't be part of the Coast Road network.
imo the North Tyneside / SE Northumberland subsidised evening service should be the following:
1: Whitley Bay to wherever (Hourly)
19: North Shields to Cramlington (Hourly)
37: Cramlington to West End (Hourly)
41: Wallsend to Hadrian Park (Hourly)
57A: Whitley Bay to Bedlington (Hourly)
306: Extended to Whitley Bay (Hourly)
317: Whitley Bay to Wallsend (Hourly)
342: Killingworth to Wallsend (Hourly)
351: Whitley Bay to Newcastle (Hourly)
353: North Shields to Cramlington (Hourly)
359: Whitley Bay to Killingworth (Hourly)
351 -> 359 -> 342 -> 41 all interworking together.
1 / 306 - Interworking to provide 2 BPH between North Shields and Whitley Bay or thereabouts.
Everything else withdrawn or not replaced including the 54 (not a mistake). It would mean that everywhere would have a bus service 7 days a week, from early to late. There's absolutely no need for the 19 and 317 to be both 2 BPH as now either.
(10 Sep 2023, 3:39 pm)V514DFT Wouldnt it be better to do something with the 335 and interwork that with the 41 infact now the 335 only go's as far as Hadrian Park you could can it altogether
335 Killingworth- Hadrian Park via Wallsend as now to Station Road then Wiltshire Drive/Wiltshire Gardens, West Street High Street West,Wallsend Interchange, Station Road, Mullen Road, Battle Hill Drive, Hadrian Park (The Bush), return same as Wallsend-Hadrian Park to Wallsend Interchange, then via Station Road (The Forum), Elton Street West, West Street, then the same route as Killingworth- Wallsend
342 would no longer serve West Street and High Street West, instead serving Station Road, The Forum, Wallsend Interchange, swapping with the 41/335
(10 Sep 2023, 5:58 pm)Thomas12 Agree with that, although the 317 is relatively busy in the evening. Probably gets more passengers than the 1.
The 19 could be scrapped all together on an evening/Sunday as it's a waste of time in it's current form, if they could work out a way for the 319 to incorporate the Fish Quay.
(10 Sep 2023, 3:39 pm)V514DFT Wouldnt it be better to do something with the 335 and interwork that with the 41 infact now the 335 only go's as far as Hadrian Park you could can it altogether
335 Killingworth- Hadrian Park via Wallsend as now to Station Road then Wiltshire Drive/Wiltshire Gardens, West Street High Street West,Wallsend Interchange, Station Road, Mullen Road, Battle Hill Drive, Hadrian Park (The Bush), return same as Wallsend-Hadrian Park to Wallsend Interchange, then via Station Road (The Forum), Elton Street West, West Street, then the same route as Killingworth- Wallsend
342 would no longer serve West Street and High Street West, instead serving Station Road, The Forum, Wallsend Interchange, swapping with the 41/335
(10 Sep 2023, 5:58 pm)Thomas12 Agree with that, although the 317 is relatively busy in the evening. Probably gets more passengers than the 1.
The 19 could be scrapped all together on an evening/Sunday as it's a waste of time in it's current form, if they could work out a way for the 319 to incorporate the Fish Quay.
(10 Sep 2023, 6:20 pm)Storx Aye can't disagree tbh. The idea behind that 19 was to give East Cramlington a bus service as there's nothing along there currently and give Seghill a Metro link all night.
Must admit I don't know about the 317 like just seems overkill to be subsidising it so much, same with the 1 every 30 minutes tbh.
(10 Sep 2023, 6:20 pm)Storx Aye can't disagree tbh. The idea behind that 19 was to give East Cramlington a bus service as there's nothing along there currently and give Seghill a Metro link all night.
Must admit I don't know about the 317 like just seems overkill to be subsidising it so much, same with the 1 every 30 minutes tbh.
(10 Sep 2023, 6:51 pm)Thomas12 Yes, it would make sense to have a 19 running from Northumberland Park to Cramlington on an evening as opposed to North Shields to Northumberland Park where it carries mostly fresh air from what I've seen.
The evening journeys on the 1 that are subsidised are only hourly (it's just the 21:58, 22:58, 23:58 departures from Newcastle, and the 20:12, 21:12, 22:12, and 23:12 journeys from Whitley Bay) - not sure if the Newcastle to Metrocentre section is subsidised but that's only hourly too.
(10 Sep 2023, 6:51 pm)Thomas12 Yes, it would make sense to have a 19 running from Northumberland Park to Cramlington on an evening as opposed to North Shields to Northumberland Park where it carries mostly fresh air from what I've seen.
The evening journeys on the 1 that are subsidised are only hourly (it's just the 21:58, 22:58, 23:58 departures from Newcastle, and the 20:12, 21:12, 22:12, and 23:12 journeys from Whitley Bay) - not sure if the Newcastle to Metrocentre section is subsidised but that's only hourly too.
Just thought about this. Some posters have mentioned about having an X39 doing the 309 route from Blyth to Cobalt, then only calling at Silverlink & Willington Square before Newcastle. Now....the big issue is that demand could fluctuate between Cobalt & Newcastle outside of the peak times. Now a fast service to the Cobalt would be a huge welcome by all accounts, it's just working out how it would be managed outside of the peak times to ensure the route can remain profitable. So I've come up with the following.........
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rUipZ9HiUqMY1Br56 (note that Silver Fox Way and Quicksilver Way would be served rather than The Silverlink North
Route would be all stops between Blyth and East Benton Rise, then completely non-stop to Newcastle (maybe additionally serving the Corner House and Cradlewell depending on timekeeping?).
I haven't worked out how to deal with the other parts of the Coast Road network yet but.....the 351 would still serve a purpose to some extent although would no longer need to serve Holystone Park.
The main driver behind the above idea is not only a faster alternative to the 308 & 309......but also targeting the "high car use" areas with a half-decent offering rather than a completely random hourly service.
(17 Sep 2023, 1:08 pm)L469 YVK Just thought about this. Some posters have mentioned about having an X39 doing the 309 route from Blyth to Cobalt, then only calling at Silverlink & Willington Square before Newcastle. Now....the big issue is that demand could fluctuate between Cobalt & Newcastle outside of the peak times. Now a fast service to the Cobalt would be a huge welcome by all accounts, it's just working out how it would be managed outside of the peak times to ensure the route can remain profitable. So I've come up with the following.........
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rUipZ9HiUqMY1Br56 (note that Silver Fox Way and Quicksilver Way would be served rather than The Silverlink North
Route would be all stops between Blyth and East Benton Rise, then completely non-stop to Newcastle (maybe additionally serving the Corner House and Cradlewell depending on timekeeping?).
I haven't worked out how to deal with the other parts of the Coast Road network yet but.....the 351 would still serve a purpose to some extent although would no longer need to serve Holystone Park.
The main driver behind the above idea is not only a faster alternative to the 308 & 309......but also targeting the "high car use" areas with a half-decent offering rather than a completely random hourly service.
(17 Sep 2023, 1:08 pm)L469 YVK Just thought about this. Some posters have mentioned about having an X39 doing the 309 route from Blyth to Cobalt, then only calling at Silverlink & Willington Square before Newcastle. Now....the big issue is that demand could fluctuate between Cobalt & Newcastle outside of the peak times. Now a fast service to the Cobalt would be a huge welcome by all accounts, it's just working out how it would be managed outside of the peak times to ensure the route can remain profitable. So I've come up with the following.........
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rUipZ9HiUqMY1Br56 (note that Silver Fox Way and Quicksilver Way would be served rather than The Silverlink North
Route would be all stops between Blyth and East Benton Rise, then completely non-stop to Newcastle (maybe additionally serving the Corner House and Cradlewell depending on timekeeping?).
I haven't worked out how to deal with the other parts of the Coast Road network yet but.....the 351 would still serve a purpose to some extent although would no longer need to serve Holystone Park.
The main driver behind the above idea is not only a faster alternative to the 308 & 309......but also targeting the "high car use" areas with a half-decent offering rather than a completely random hourly service.
Thought I'd post this given the time and year, and no about another set of changes come March. A simple idea without re-inventing the wheel, but gives a faster service to Newcastle and opens better links from the Marden Estate too including to NT Hospital. Furthermore, would also give GNE a more efficient pattern and driving hours. Will post sample times but in general, running & layover times improved.
306:
- Tynemouth to Newcastle only
- Omits Battle Hill Drive
- No change to frequency
307:
- No change including frequency
309:
- Whitley Bay Seafront to Newcastle only
- Via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads
306/307/309 Coast Road Station Road to Newcastle:
- Up to every 6-7 minutes Monday to Saturday - 9 buses per hour
- Up to every 15 minutes evenings (**including evening only 308)
- Up to every 10 minutes Sundays
307/309 Battle Hill to Newcastle:
- Up to every 7-13 minutes Monday to Saturday
- Up to every 30 minutes Evenings
- Up to every 10-20 minutes Sundays
NEW X38:
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Willington Square, then non stop to Corner House before obeserving all stops to Newcastle Haymarket
- Timed for easy connections to / from services 306 & 309 if requiring Cobalt or other stops along the Coast Road. Through fares available
- Monday to Saturday every 20 minutes
- Sundays every 30 minutes
308**:
- Evenings only running every 60 minutes. No route change
PVR's and interworking patterns
306/X38(308)
Monday to Saturday
X38 > 306 > 306 > X38
- PVR 13x
Evenings
308 > 306 > 306 > 308
- PVR 4x
Sunday daytimes
X10/X11 > 306 > 306 > X10/X11
- PVR 8x
X38
- PVR 5x
307/309
Monday to Saturday
309 > 307 > 307 > 309
- PVR 13x
Evenings
307 > 307
- PVR 2x
309 > 309
- PVR 2x
Sunday daytimes
309 > 307 > 307 > 309
- PVR 9x
Monday to Saturday total PVR would reduce by 3x. Evening total PVR would reduce by 1x. Sunday PVR would increase by 1x. Interworking the 306 with X10/X11 on Sundays and X38 standalone would be necessary to maintain connections with 306 & 309.
(14 Jan 2024, 10:28 pm)L469 YVK Thought I'd post this given the time and year, and no about another set of changes come March. A simple idea without re-inventing the wheel, but gives a faster service to Newcastle and opens better links from the Marden Estate too including to NT Hospital. Furthermore, would also give GNE a more efficient pattern and driving hours. Will post sample times but in general, running & layover times improved.
306:
- Tynemouth to Newcastle only
- Omits Battle Hill Drive
- No change to frequency
307:
- No change including frequency
309:
- Whitley Bay Seafront to Newcastle only
- Via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads
306/307/309 Coast Road Station Road to Newcastle:
- Up to every 6-7 minutes Monday to Saturday - 9 buses per hour
- Up to every 15 minutes evenings (**including evening only 308)
- Up to every 10 minutes Sundays
307/309 Battle Hill to Newcastle:
- Up to every 7-13 minutes Monday to Saturday
- Up to every 30 minutes Evenings
- Up to every 10-20 minutes Sundays
NEW X38:
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Willington Square, then non stop to Corner House before obeserving all stops to Newcastle Haymarket
- Timed for easy connections to / from services 306 & 309 if requiring Cobalt or other stops along the Coast Road. Through fares available
- Monday to Saturday every 20 minutes
- Sundays every 30 minutes
308**:
- Evenings only running every 60 minutes. No route change
PVR's and interworking patterns
306/X38(308)
Monday to Saturday
X38 > 306 > 306 > X38
- PVR 13x
Evenings
308 > 306 > 306 > 308
- PVR 4x
Sunday daytimes
X10/X11 > 306 > 306 > X10/X11
- PVR 8x
X38
- PVR 5x
307/309
Monday to Saturday
309 > 307 > 307 > 309
- PVR 13x
Evenings
307 > 307
- PVR 2x
309 > 309
- PVR 2x
Sunday daytimes
309 > 307 > 307 > 309
- PVR 9x
Monday to Saturday total PVR would reduce by 3x. Evening total PVR would reduce by 1x. Sunday PVR would increase by 1x. Interworking the 306 with X10/X11 on Sundays and X38 standalone would be necessary to maintain connections with 306 & 309.
(14 Jan 2024, 10:28 pm)L469 YVK Thought I'd post this given the time and year, and no about another set of changes come March. A simple idea without re-inventing the wheel, but gives a faster service to Newcastle and opens better links from the Marden Estate too including to NT Hospital. Furthermore, would also give GNE a more efficient pattern and driving hours. Will post sample times but in general, running & layover times improved.
306:
- Tynemouth to Newcastle only
- Omits Battle Hill Drive
- No change to frequency
307:
- No change including frequency
309:
- Whitley Bay Seafront to Newcastle only
- Via Marden Estate rather than Hillheads
306/307/309 Coast Road Station Road to Newcastle:
- Up to every 6-7 minutes Monday to Saturday - 9 buses per hour
- Up to every 15 minutes evenings (**including evening only 308)
- Up to every 10 minutes Sundays
307/309 Battle Hill to Newcastle:
- Up to every 7-13 minutes Monday to Saturday
- Up to every 30 minutes Evenings
- Up to every 10-20 minutes Sundays
NEW X38:
- Same as current 308 Blyth to Willington Square, then non stop to Corner House before obeserving all stops to Newcastle Haymarket
- Timed for easy connections to / from services 306 & 309 if requiring Cobalt or other stops along the Coast Road. Through fares available
- Monday to Saturday every 20 minutes
- Sundays every 30 minutes
308**:
- Evenings only running every 60 minutes. No route change
PVR's and interworking patterns
306/X38(308)
Monday to Saturday
X38 > 306 > 306 > X38
- PVR 13x
Evenings
308 > 306 > 306 > 308
- PVR 4x
Sunday daytimes
X10/X11 > 306 > 306 > X10/X11
- PVR 8x
X38
- PVR 5x
307/309
Monday to Saturday
309 > 307 > 307 > 309
- PVR 13x
Evenings
307 > 307
- PVR 2x
309 > 309
- PVR 2x
Sunday daytimes
309 > 307 > 307 > 309
- PVR 9x
Monday to Saturday total PVR would reduce by 3x. Evening total PVR would reduce by 1x. Sunday PVR would increase by 1x. Interworking the 306 with X10/X11 on Sundays and X38 standalone would be necessary to maintain connections with 306 & 309.
