Bus Partnerships (multi-operator)
Bus Partnerships (multi-operator)
(12 May 2023, 6:22 pm)Unber43 Are the 30/31/36 good routes for SC
(12 May 2023, 6:22 pm)Unber43 Are the 30/31/36 good routes for SC
With Transport North East emerging with more influence, and if we finally get devolution sorted, I'd argue Nexus should be dissolved, as there is no point having a two tier transport regime.
(12 May 2023, 7:09 pm)solsburian With Transport North East emerging with more influence, and if we finally get devolution sorted, I'd argue Nexus should be dissolved, as there is no point having a two tier transport regime.
(12 May 2023, 7:09 pm)solsburian With Transport North East emerging with more influence, and if we finally get devolution sorted, I'd argue Nexus should be dissolved, as there is no point having a two tier transport regime.
(12 May 2023, 8:15 pm)Storx Can't disagree with that if I had to be honest, or at most, turned into the operator who runs the Metro. Everything else with Nexus always seems second thought at the best of time anyway imo.Bring back Nexus of pre 1986 , better known as the PTE. It had teeth and power, until
(12 May 2023, 8:15 pm)Storx Can't disagree with that if I had to be honest, or at most, turned into the operator who runs the Metro. Everything else with Nexus always seems second thought at the best of time anyway imo.Bring back Nexus of pre 1986 , better known as the PTE. It had teeth and power, until
(12 May 2023, 8:15 pm)Storx Can't disagree with that if I had to be honest, or at most, turned into the operator who runs the Metro. Everything else with Nexus always seems second thought at the best of time anyway imo.
Our research showed that residents of Tyne and Wear saw the PTE as a bureaucratic organisation, maybe resting on its laurels after building the Metro, and frankly not very dynamic, though that’s not the way we saw it!
(12 May 2023, 8:15 pm)Storx Can't disagree with that if I had to be honest, or at most, turned into the operator who runs the Metro. Everything else with Nexus always seems second thought at the best of time anyway imo.
Our research showed that residents of Tyne and Wear saw the PTE as a bureaucratic organisation, maybe resting on its laurels after building the Metro, and frankly not very dynamic, though that’s not the way we saw it!
Nexus secured services are funded by the council purse therefore they should be accountable to local councillors to scrutiny
(12 May 2023, 8:53 pm)Economic505 Bring back Nexus of pre 1986 , better known as the PTE. It had teeth and power, until
Thatcher’s 1985 Transport Act destroyed Public Transport. ( enacted 1986).
(12 May 2023, 9:00 pm)solsburian This quote from a 2016 Chronicle article about the 20th Anniversary of the Nexus brand, from Andy Bairstow, who was the PTEs head of marketing in the 90s is rather ironic:
The irony is many people today probably think Nexus is still exactly like that, and probably far worse. IMO the Nexus brand, just like Arriva, Connex and Consignia brands, was more about attempting to promote style over substance. Anyhow I digress.
(12 May 2023, 8:53 pm)Economic505 Bring back Nexus of pre 1986 , better known as the PTE. It had teeth and power, until
Thatcher’s 1985 Transport Act destroyed Public Transport. ( enacted 1986).
(12 May 2023, 9:00 pm)solsburian This quote from a 2016 Chronicle article about the 20th Anniversary of the Nexus brand, from Andy Bairstow, who was the PTEs head of marketing in the 90s is rather ironic:
The irony is many people today probably think Nexus is still exactly like that, and probably far worse. IMO the Nexus brand, just like Arriva, Connex and Consignia brands, was more about attempting to promote style over substance. Anyhow I digress.
(12 May 2023, 9:54 pm)Storx Can't disagree really to be fair.
The sad thing is for it's first 10 year or so it was actually alright, massive extension, few new bus stations etc. but it's just gone to pot. It's ever since they done the North Shields refurb, everything after that has been a shambles, delayed or over budget. I know there's been budget cuts but it doesn't excuse the Tyne Tunnel Pedestrian being delayed by god knows how long (it's still not finished), losing the budget for the ferry pier as they ran out of time, half the stations still not being refurbished (painting things black isn't a refurb) etc.
It's sad, places like Manchester are street years ahead and don't get me started on POP and their web presence which looks like it was built in 1996. It's really hard to think of 1 good thing they've done in the past 5 years and that's not even sarcastic - it really is.
(12 May 2023, 9:54 pm)Storx Can't disagree really to be fair.
The sad thing is for it's first 10 year or so it was actually alright, massive extension, few new bus stations etc. but it's just gone to pot. It's ever since they done the North Shields refurb, everything after that has been a shambles, delayed or over budget. I know there's been budget cuts but it doesn't excuse the Tyne Tunnel Pedestrian being delayed by god knows how long (it's still not finished), losing the budget for the ferry pier as they ran out of time, half the stations still not being refurbished (painting things black isn't a refurb) etc.
It's sad, places like Manchester are street years ahead and don't get me started on POP and their web presence which looks like it was built in 1996. It's really hard to think of 1 good thing they've done in the past 5 years and that's not even sarcastic - it really is.
(12 May 2023, 10:23 pm)solsburian I'll give you overseeing the Sunderland extension, though it was done on a shoestring, should have included Washington and trashed the fleet. Pragmatically, as soon as the extension was opened, they should have begun the process of pressing for a new fleet, sourcing parts for the current fleet was starting becoming an issue back in 2002 so they must have been aware that the situation as not going to get any better with no action.
I always feel that Nexus could have had more teeth like the other PTEs down south, i.e. when Merseytravel went gung ho over the Merseyrail Electrics franchise.
Today Nexus seem almost non-existent, I am often tempted to opt out when the Nexus researchers ask about my ticket and where I am travelling on the bus, because I think what is the point. As it stands, what value does Nexus give to the local authorities they represent , compared to perhaps having transport officers employed directly by the councils?
(12 May 2023, 10:23 pm)solsburian I'll give you overseeing the Sunderland extension, though it was done on a shoestring, should have included Washington and trashed the fleet. Pragmatically, as soon as the extension was opened, they should have begun the process of pressing for a new fleet, sourcing parts for the current fleet was starting becoming an issue back in 2002 so they must have been aware that the situation as not going to get any better with no action.
I always feel that Nexus could have had more teeth like the other PTEs down south, i.e. when Merseytravel went gung ho over the Merseyrail Electrics franchise.
Today Nexus seem almost non-existent, I am often tempted to opt out when the Nexus researchers ask about my ticket and where I am travelling on the bus, because I think what is the point. As it stands, what value does Nexus give to the local authorities they represent , compared to perhaps having transport officers employed directly by the councils?
Wow, the grief nexus get on here amazes me. Like andros say bailing out private bus companies . Running the metro with trains probably older then most of the pesters on here ( yes you could argue they should have asked more new rolling stock when the extension to Sunderland was being sorted but how do we know what was going on behind the scenes?? Mybe was one or the other?). The also so out bus infrastructure - have you seen the bus stops in NEXUS land compared to say Northumberland Durham? Must be at least 99% OF STOPS HAVE A UP TO DATE TIMETABLE and most have shelters. I remember waiting in the rain for buses in the 80;s as hardly any shelters. and with the private companies chopping and changing timetables it MUST BE A HELL OF A JOB TO CHANGE THEM although im sure those on here could change every stop in nexus land in less than a day including a hour for there dinner!!! Half the stops in Durham and Northumberland your lucky you can tell its an actual stop! Never mind havin a shelter or a timetable to give you some idea what the crack is! And someone mention Liverpool!! you want to try getting a bus to /from goodison park!!! no timetable att he bus stop on the main drag outside the ground. Good job there is a spoons there to keep me entertained!
Then there are the running of buses..... if they run the entire service then fine but running a service on an evening and Sundays but letter the commercial operator take the cream of 7 till 6pm pm well that's the biggest P**S take since VAR turned over the penalty to Newcastle on Sunday.
In my view NEXUS do a reasonable ( not good or Great) in sh*t circumstances....... they get far to much grief for what they dopoorly and no compliments about what they do well
Well local councilliors have stated in an email that they have no say whatsoever over nexus secured services
(12 May 2023, 10:23 pm)solsburian I'll give you overseeing the Sunderland extension, though it was done on a shoestring, should have included Washington and trashed the fleet. Pragmatically, as soon as the extension was opened, they should have begun the process of pressing for a new fleet, sourcing parts for the current fleet was starting becoming an issue back in 2002 so they must have been aware that the situation as not going to get any better with no action.
I always feel that Nexus could have had more teeth like the other PTEs down south, i.e. when Merseytravel went gung ho over the Merseyrail Electrics franchise.
Today Nexus seem almost non-existent, I am often tempted to opt out when the Nexus researchers ask about my ticket and where I am travelling on the bus, because I think what is the point. As it stands, what value does Nexus give to the local authorities they represent, compared to perhaps having transport officers employed directly by the councils?
(13 May 2023, 7:13 am)Rob44 Wow, the grief nexus get on here amazes me. Like andros say bailing out private bus companies . Running the metro with trains probably older then most of the pesters on here ( yes you could argue they should have asked more new rolling stock when the extension to Sunderland was being sorted but how do we know what was going on behind the scenes?? Mybe was one or the other?). The also so out bus infrastructure - have you seen the bus stops in NEXUS land compared to say Northumberland Durham? Must be at least 99% OF STOPS HAVE A UP TO DATE TIMETABLE and most have shelters. I remember waiting in the rain for buses in the 80;s as hardly any shelters. and with the private companies chopping and changing timetables it MUST BE A HELL OF A JOB TO CHANGE THEM although im sure those on here could change every stop in nexus land in less than a day including a hour for there dinner!!! Half the stops in Durham and Northumberland your lucky you can tell its an actual stop! Never mind havin a shelter or a timetable to give you some idea what the crack is! And someone mention Liverpool!! you want to try getting a bus to /from goodison park!!! no timetable att he bus stop on the main drag outside the ground. Good job there is a spoons there to keep me entertained!
Then there are the running of buses..... if they run the entire service then fine but running a service on an evening and Sundays but letter the commercial operator take the cream of 7 till 6pm pm well that's the biggest P**S take since VAR turned over the penalty to Newcastle on Sunday.
In my view NEXUS do a reasonable ( not good or Great) in sh*t circumstances....... they get far to much grief for what they dopoorly and no compliments about what they do well
(12 May 2023, 10:23 pm)solsburian I'll give you overseeing the Sunderland extension, though it was done on a shoestring, should have included Washington and trashed the fleet. Pragmatically, as soon as the extension was opened, they should have begun the process of pressing for a new fleet, sourcing parts for the current fleet was starting becoming an issue back in 2002 so they must have been aware that the situation as not going to get any better with no action.
I always feel that Nexus could have had more teeth like the other PTEs down south, i.e. when Merseytravel went gung ho over the Merseyrail Electrics franchise.
Today Nexus seem almost non-existent, I am often tempted to opt out when the Nexus researchers ask about my ticket and where I am travelling on the bus, because I think what is the point. As it stands, what value does Nexus give to the local authorities they represent, compared to perhaps having transport officers employed directly by the councils?
(13 May 2023, 7:13 am)Rob44 Wow, the grief nexus get on here amazes me. Like andros say bailing out private bus companies . Running the metro with trains probably older then most of the pesters on here ( yes you could argue they should have asked more new rolling stock when the extension to Sunderland was being sorted but how do we know what was going on behind the scenes?? Mybe was one or the other?). The also so out bus infrastructure - have you seen the bus stops in NEXUS land compared to say Northumberland Durham? Must be at least 99% OF STOPS HAVE A UP TO DATE TIMETABLE and most have shelters. I remember waiting in the rain for buses in the 80;s as hardly any shelters. and with the private companies chopping and changing timetables it MUST BE A HELL OF A JOB TO CHANGE THEM although im sure those on here could change every stop in nexus land in less than a day including a hour for there dinner!!! Half the stops in Durham and Northumberland your lucky you can tell its an actual stop! Never mind havin a shelter or a timetable to give you some idea what the crack is! And someone mention Liverpool!! you want to try getting a bus to /from goodison park!!! no timetable att he bus stop on the main drag outside the ground. Good job there is a spoons there to keep me entertained!
Then there are the running of buses..... if they run the entire service then fine but running a service on an evening and Sundays but letter the commercial operator take the cream of 7 till 6pm pm well that's the biggest P**S take since VAR turned over the penalty to Newcastle on Sunday.
In my view NEXUS do a reasonable ( not good or Great) in sh*t circumstances....... they get far to much grief for what they dopoorly and no compliments about what they do well
(13 May 2023, 10:49 am)DaveFromUpNorth Well local councilliors have stated in an email that they have no say whatsoever over nexus secured servicesCan't find the link annoyingly but one councillor seemingly thought the 520 was a GNE-run route that GNE proposed to withdraw but looked kindly on the residents of the estate it serves.
(13 May 2023, 10:49 am)DaveFromUpNorth Well local councilliors have stated in an email that they have no say whatsoever over nexus secured servicesCan't find the link annoyingly but one councillor seemingly thought the 520 was a GNE-run route that GNE proposed to withdraw but looked kindly on the residents of the estate it serves.
(13 May 2023, 10:51 am)Storx Aye totally agreed tbh, it's a shame and I can't disagree about budgets etc but there's way too many people up there who are they by being known by certain people rather than merit.I dont use rail uk so aint heard any of that. Also until its in the public domain i take those allegations with pinch of salt. I had numerous people on her saying arriva wouldn't invest in new buses yet when i was in the hotspur after a few drinks Im sure i saw a load of band new buses in the Haymarket in service!!
NEXUS is a shambles, there's much more to it than a few bus timetables - a large chunk of bus shelters are maintained by Clear Channel and not Nexus and is a council issue - nothing to do with Nexus hence why there's loads in Sunderland with gardens on top lately and Gateshead generally doesn't have many.
But if you want a list of things they 100% deserve criticism for then here we go and only recent things:
- Serious bullying allegations at the top towards anyone who isn't in their little cult hence the massive staff turnover and low morale
- Haymarket Metro station closed due to 2/3 escalators broken
- Glass panels off the roof at Whitley Bay due to critical safety checks being skipped
- Under investigation by the RAIB/ORR for a fatal incident at one of the underground stations and being unnoticed for hours - it will come out eventually but they can't say much yet but it's serious.
- Ignoring the issues with the fleet problems and pretending nothing is wrong. The Metro needs to be dropped to every 15 minutes ASAP otherwise there's going to be severe consequences with severe fleet issues - it's already bad anyway.
- Linked to the above lying to the public about removing the peaks because of reduced patronage which was just outright wrong.
- The Tyne Passenger Tunnel, Rome was built quicker.
- Correspondence when anything going wrong being nothing less than abysmal and gives Arriva a run in for the money.
- North Shields Ferry terminal broken, getting the funding to replace it then run out of time to actually use the money.
- and a personal one, the trains are absolutely disgusting lately and look like they haven't been cleaned for months. You can physically see the dirt on some seats.
It's all on RailUK mostly as there's two posters who have inside connections, both trusted, who keep leaking stuff. There's some pretty abysmal stuff there and as they said if this wasn't a public service and a heritage railway they'd have a prohibition order by now. If any of this was the 3 big bus operators then there'd be absolute hell on here and rightly so.
(13 May 2023, 10:51 am)Storx Aye totally agreed tbh, it's a shame and I can't disagree about budgets etc but there's way too many people up there who are they by being known by certain people rather than merit.I dont use rail uk so aint heard any of that. Also until its in the public domain i take those allegations with pinch of salt. I had numerous people on her saying arriva wouldn't invest in new buses yet when i was in the hotspur after a few drinks Im sure i saw a load of band new buses in the Haymarket in service!!
NEXUS is a shambles, there's much more to it than a few bus timetables - a large chunk of bus shelters are maintained by Clear Channel and not Nexus and is a council issue - nothing to do with Nexus hence why there's loads in Sunderland with gardens on top lately and Gateshead generally doesn't have many.
But if you want a list of things they 100% deserve criticism for then here we go and only recent things:
- Serious bullying allegations at the top towards anyone who isn't in their little cult hence the massive staff turnover and low morale
- Haymarket Metro station closed due to 2/3 escalators broken
- Glass panels off the roof at Whitley Bay due to critical safety checks being skipped
- Under investigation by the RAIB/ORR for a fatal incident at one of the underground stations and being unnoticed for hours - it will come out eventually but they can't say much yet but it's serious.
- Ignoring the issues with the fleet problems and pretending nothing is wrong. The Metro needs to be dropped to every 15 minutes ASAP otherwise there's going to be severe consequences with severe fleet issues - it's already bad anyway.
- Linked to the above lying to the public about removing the peaks because of reduced patronage which was just outright wrong.
- The Tyne Passenger Tunnel, Rome was built quicker.
- Correspondence when anything going wrong being nothing less than abysmal and gives Arriva a run in for the money.
- North Shields Ferry terminal broken, getting the funding to replace it then run out of time to actually use the money.
- and a personal one, the trains are absolutely disgusting lately and look like they haven't been cleaned for months. You can physically see the dirt on some seats.
It's all on RailUK mostly as there's two posters who have inside connections, both trusted, who keep leaking stuff. There's some pretty abysmal stuff there and as they said if this wasn't a public service and a heritage railway they'd have a prohibition order by now. If any of this was the 3 big bus operators then there'd be absolute hell on here and rightly so.
(13 May 2023, 10:49 am)DaveFromUpNorth Well local councilliors have stated in an email that they have no say whatsoever over nexus secured servicesClearly not true - Nexus is run by the 5 Tyne & Wear Councils so local councillors do have a say. Tyne and Wear sub-committee papers show which councillors are in control of Nexus.
(13 May 2023, 10:49 am)DaveFromUpNorth Well local councilliors have stated in an email that they have no say whatsoever over nexus secured servicesClearly not true - Nexus is run by the 5 Tyne & Wear Councils so local councillors do have a say. Tyne and Wear sub-committee papers show which councillors are in control of Nexus.
(13 May 2023, 11:10 am)F114TML Can't find the link annoyingly but one councillor seemingly thought the 520 was a GNE-run route that GNE proposed to withdraw but looked kindly on the residents of the estate it serves.I doubt that loss making GNE can afford to undercut anyone - it’s competitive tendering and GNE normally lose out to GCT (recently services 19 & 71).
All GNE did was undercut GCT (assuming GCT bidded, but tbh it's not much of a stretch to assume they did).
(13 May 2023, 11:10 am)F114TML Can't find the link annoyingly but one councillor seemingly thought the 520 was a GNE-run route that GNE proposed to withdraw but looked kindly on the residents of the estate it serves.I doubt that loss making GNE can afford to undercut anyone - it’s competitive tendering and GNE normally lose out to GCT (recently services 19 & 71).
All GNE did was undercut GCT (assuming GCT bidded, but tbh it's not much of a stretch to assume they did).
