July 2023 changes
July 2023 changes
(25 May 2023, 7:10 pm)Unber43 X6 I assume increase
(25 May 2023, 7:10 pm)Unber43 X6 I assume increase
(25 May 2023, 7:19 pm)cbma06 Can’t see that to be quite honest really, increasing the x6 to half hourly will cost GNE use of another bus , plus at least 2 more drivers wages etc… , if the x6 needed more capacity then it would be more of putting a single decker on than a solo.Why not GNE already do remote change overs for the 208/206 afaik, only the 201/209/210 interwork with the X6 currently, if they timed it right they could all interwork.
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(25 May 2023, 7:19 pm)cbma06 Can’t see that to be quite honest really, increasing the x6 to half hourly will cost GNE use of another bus , plus at least 2 more drivers wages etc… , if the x6 needed more capacity then it would be more of putting a single decker on than a solo.Why not GNE already do remote change overs for the 208/206 afaik, only the 201/209/210 interwork with the X6 currently, if they timed it right they could all interwork.
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(25 May 2023, 7:47 pm)Unber43 Why not GNE already do remote change overs for the 208/206 afaik, only the 201/209/210 interwork with the X6 currently, if they timed it right they could all interwork.
(25 May 2023, 7:47 pm)Unber43 Why not GNE already do remote change overs for the 208/206 afaik, only the 201/209/210 interwork with the X6 currently, if they timed it right they could all interwork.
(25 May 2023, 7:55 pm)Storx Those 5 routes are all contract routes so they'll make money regardless. The X6 isn't. They're losing money left right and centre, they won't be expanding on corridors where another operator is dropping buses as no-one uses it imo.Surely, if the demand was there for 2 direct GNE buses an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland then you would've thought that the X7 wouldn't have been withdrawn?
The pensioner pass farce down there won't help either. It might being the opposite and it becoming peak only runs to get the bus to Peterlee and vice versa (I don't know though) but that would leave no service between Seaham and Peterlee at all.
(25 May 2023, 7:55 pm)Storx Those 5 routes are all contract routes so they'll make money regardless. The X6 isn't. They're losing money left right and centre, they won't be expanding on corridors where another operator is dropping buses as no-one uses it imo.Surely, if the demand was there for 2 direct GNE buses an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland then you would've thought that the X7 wouldn't have been withdrawn?
The pensioner pass farce down there won't help either. It might being the opposite and it becoming peak only runs to get the bus to Peterlee and vice versa (I don't know though) but that would leave no service between Seaham and Peterlee at all.
(25 May 2023, 8:48 pm)Jimmi Surely, if the demand was there for 2 direct GNE buses an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland then you would've thought that the X7 wouldn't have been withdrawn?
Part of the proposals for the 22/23 did suggest at looking to revise the times of the 208 to better align up with the new 22/23 times, the changes also suggested that there would be 4 direct buses left overall between Peterlee and Sunderland although I think that's counting the 61.
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(25 May 2023, 8:48 pm)Jimmi Surely, if the demand was there for 2 direct GNE buses an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland then you would've thought that the X7 wouldn't have been withdrawn?
Part of the proposals for the 22/23 did suggest at looking to revise the times of the 208 to better align up with the new 22/23 times, the changes also suggested that there would be 4 direct buses left overall between Peterlee and Sunderland although I think that's counting the 61.
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(25 May 2023, 8:48 pm)Jimmi Surely, if the demand was there for 2 direct GNE buses an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland then you would've thought that the X7 wouldn't have been withdrawn?
Part of the proposals for the 22/23 did suggest at looking to revise the times of the 208 to better align up with the new 22/23 times, the changes also suggested that there would be 4 direct buses left overall between Peterlee and Sunderland although I think that's counting the 61.
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(25 May 2023, 8:48 pm)Jimmi Surely, if the demand was there for 2 direct GNE buses an hour between Peterlee and Sunderland then you would've thought that the X7 wouldn't have been withdrawn?
Part of the proposals for the 22/23 did suggest at looking to revise the times of the 208 to better align up with the new 22/23 times, the changes also suggested that there would be 4 direct buses left overall between Peterlee and Sunderland although I think that's counting the 61.
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In an ideal world, this is where all this partnership stuff would come in handy, especially with mutual ticket acceptance, you could now roughly time it so there's a 15 minute frequency between Dalton Park and Sunderland between the 22/23 & 61 and have the 60 slot in between to offer a 7/8 minute frequency between Westlea and Sunderland.
The way things are now, competition is pretty much dead and think the only way forward is some joined up thinking and more partnerships like what has been done along the Coast Road with the 306-309.
But the thing is, thats two difference companies fighting for profitablity, really the only reason 306-309 thing was done was because GNE/ANE never wanted to give up any compeition it wasn't done for passengers it was done to save their pocket, as they didn't need GNE/ANE at every 3 mins along the coast road. (presumable the 306/308 where every 15 mins each)
Where as Arriva has already slashed competition. I wonder whether the 61 could see an increase and do a loop around Easington, Dalton Park, Sunderland. but I doubt that would happen unless ANE totally pulled out of Sunderland
(26 May 2023, 6:15 am)WUnber43 THe only reason I think the X6 could be improved frequency wise is the fact that it is always busy both ways. But aswell 208 is standalone.The X6 is never ‘always’ busy both ways. Busiest journey is the 8am from Park Lane as we get all the office workers from Spectrum, rest of the time we don’t get close to filling a solo. Not unusual to leave Peterlee empty either.
X6 could be timed to leave 10 mins before the 22/23 leaves
(26 May 2023, 6:15 am)WUnber43 THe only reason I think the X6 could be improved frequency wise is the fact that it is always busy both ways. But aswell 208 is standalone.The X6 is never ‘always’ busy both ways. Busiest journey is the 8am from Park Lane as we get all the office workers from Spectrum, rest of the time we don’t get close to filling a solo. Not unusual to leave Peterlee empty either.
X6 could be timed to leave 10 mins before the 22/23 leaves
(25 May 2023, 6:46 pm)Michael 8th July:
PB0003954/1079
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED X6 (X6) Peterlee Sunderland
PB0003954/1289
Variation GO NORTH EAST LIMITED 208 Easington Village Peterlee
