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MurdnunoC



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09 Jan 2024, 10:13 am #101
(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it
73 NEB points to you, sir.

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MurdnunoC
09 Jan 2024, 10:13 am #101

(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it
73 NEB points to you, sir.

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09 Jan 2024, 10:23 am #102
(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it. Gne just using it every second of the day. 

These changes are pathetic to anyone. 

X45/47/6 all to serve Metrocentre Coach Park in the morning. (Nothing mentioned)

93/94 serving Glasshouse (Sage) again. Didn't work the first time

27 every 30 on an evening. (Forgot the metro stops running after 8pm)

X20 back yet not mentioned what's happened to the 20A

65 was meant to have time changes (not anywhere)

74 mentioned its stopping on Claremont Road in Newcastle both ways (already does that)

These changes to me look to have been done in a rush and yet 4 change again are using BSIP. Yet people will come on here and say "well arriva are wasting it on a new service and stagecoach are doing terrible with it"
20A will continue to run evenings and Sundays hourly.
Edited 09 Jan 2024, 10:24 am by Retro Nero.
Retro Nero
09 Jan 2024, 10:23 am #102

(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it. Gne just using it every second of the day. 

These changes are pathetic to anyone. 

X45/47/6 all to serve Metrocentre Coach Park in the morning. (Nothing mentioned)

93/94 serving Glasshouse (Sage) again. Didn't work the first time

27 every 30 on an evening. (Forgot the metro stops running after 8pm)

X20 back yet not mentioned what's happened to the 20A

65 was meant to have time changes (not anywhere)

74 mentioned its stopping on Claremont Road in Newcastle both ways (already does that)

These changes to me look to have been done in a rush and yet 4 change again are using BSIP. Yet people will come on here and say "well arriva are wasting it on a new service and stagecoach are doing terrible with it"
20A will continue to run evenings and Sundays hourly.

Aaron21



786
09 Jan 2024, 10:45 am #103
(09 Jan 2024, 10:23 am)Retro Nero 20A will continue to run evenings and Sundays hourly.

Doesn't mention it though. So people don't know
Aaron21
09 Jan 2024, 10:45 am #103

(09 Jan 2024, 10:23 am)Retro Nero 20A will continue to run evenings and Sundays hourly.

Doesn't mention it though. So people don't know

Storx



4,621
09 Jan 2024, 11:14 am #104
(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it. Gne just using it every second of the day. 

These changes are pathetic to anyone. 

X45/47/6 all to serve Metrocentre Coach Park in the morning. (Nothing mentioned)

93/94 serving Glasshouse (Sage) again. Didn't work the first time

27 every 30 on an evening. (Forgot the metro stops running after 8pm)

X20 back yet not mentioned what's happened to the 20A

65 was meant to have time changes (not anywhere)

74 mentioned its stopping on Claremont Road in Newcastle both ways (already does that)

These changes to me look to have been done in a rush and yet 4 change again are using BSIP. Yet people will come on here and say "well arriva are wasting it on a new service and stagecoach are doing terrible with it"

As much as I like slating GNE, the BSIP, wasting of money on the X20, is on Nexus / DCC.
Storx
09 Jan 2024, 11:14 am #104

(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it. Gne just using it every second of the day. 

These changes are pathetic to anyone. 

X45/47/6 all to serve Metrocentre Coach Park in the morning. (Nothing mentioned)

93/94 serving Glasshouse (Sage) again. Didn't work the first time

27 every 30 on an evening. (Forgot the metro stops running after 8pm)

X20 back yet not mentioned what's happened to the 20A

65 was meant to have time changes (not anywhere)

74 mentioned its stopping on Claremont Road in Newcastle both ways (already does that)

These changes to me look to have been done in a rush and yet 4 change again are using BSIP. Yet people will come on here and say "well arriva are wasting it on a new service and stagecoach are doing terrible with it"

As much as I like slating GNE, the BSIP, wasting of money on the X20, is on Nexus / DCC.

09 Jan 2024, 7:10 pm #105
(08 Jan 2024, 9:47 pm)Dan Presumably you are looking at the departure times (ie those quoted on the website), not arrival (as they probably aren’t on the website).

A 10+ minute saving in journey time is quite attractive, in my opinion. It could be sped up further but there is a balance to be struck with actually stopping to allow people to use the service for something that isn’t just end to end traffic.


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Have to agree here, considering there's only about a 20 min difference between the "fast" train and the stopping train NCL-KGX, cutting 10 mins from a 50ish mins journey is pretty decent IMO.
stagecoachbusdepot
09 Jan 2024, 7:10 pm #105

(08 Jan 2024, 9:47 pm)Dan Presumably you are looking at the departure times (ie those quoted on the website), not arrival (as they probably aren’t on the website).

A 10+ minute saving in journey time is quite attractive, in my opinion. It could be sped up further but there is a balance to be struck with actually stopping to allow people to use the service for something that isn’t just end to end traffic.


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Have to agree here, considering there's only about a 20 min difference between the "fast" train and the stopping train NCL-KGX, cutting 10 mins from a 50ish mins journey is pretty decent IMO.

09 Jan 2024, 7:57 pm #106
(09 Jan 2024, 7:10 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Have to agree here, considering there's only about a 20 min difference between the "fast" train and the stopping train NCL-KGX, cutting 10 mins from a 50ish mins journey is pretty decent IMO.

Depends really doesn't it, because if there's a 20 already in and the X20 isn't due for another 10 minutes, there's no point in getting that.
deanmachine
09 Jan 2024, 7:57 pm #106

(09 Jan 2024, 7:10 pm)stagecoachbusdepot Have to agree here, considering there's only about a 20 min difference between the "fast" train and the stopping train NCL-KGX, cutting 10 mins from a 50ish mins journey is pretty decent IMO.

Depends really doesn't it, because if there's a 20 already in and the X20 isn't due for another 10 minutes, there's no point in getting that.

nova347



415
09 Jan 2024, 8:08 pm #107
Tbh I always got the X20 because it had chargers (that work) and I just prefer a merc over a streetlite.
nova347
09 Jan 2024, 8:08 pm #107

Tbh I always got the X20 because it had chargers (that work) and I just prefer a merc over a streetlite.

Storx



4,621
09 Jan 2024, 8:38 pm #108
Since it's been funded by the council imo something like the below would be better, purple areas being stopping and black being non stop:
   

You could have the whole route every 30 minutes, with extra shorts running between the two P&R sites and then scrap the PR1 and save money there rather than having buses duplicating each other (this is how it works in York). Plus Doxford Park should be served all day imo, but it's just as quick to go via Silksworth and would open new links South.

The 20/20A would stay as it is now.
Storx
09 Jan 2024, 8:38 pm #108

Since it's been funded by the council imo something like the below would be better, purple areas being stopping and black being non stop:
   

You could have the whole route every 30 minutes, with extra shorts running between the two P&R sites and then scrap the PR1 and save money there rather than having buses duplicating each other (this is how it works in York). Plus Doxford Park should be served all day imo, but it's just as quick to go via Silksworth and would open new links South.

The 20/20A would stay as it is now.

Drifter60



551
09 Jan 2024, 9:22 pm #109
The 65 changes have cut the layover time at Seaham from 14 minutes to 5 minutes. Haven’t checked the layover at Durham as it interworks with the 20.
Drifter60
09 Jan 2024, 9:22 pm #109

The 65 changes have cut the layover time at Seaham from 14 minutes to 5 minutes. Haven’t checked the layover at Durham as it interworks with the 20.

Unber43



3,566
09 Jan 2024, 9:54 pm #110
(09 Jan 2024, 9:22 pm)Drifter60 The 65 changes have cut the layover time at Seaham from 14 minutes to 5 minutes. Haven’t checked the layover at Durham as it interworks with the 20.
Its got 7 mins at Durham (baring in mind the 65 now takes 1hour 1 min, it used to take 56 mins), then 7 mins in Sunderland then to goes onto a long 20 which has 3 mins at Hosptial but then about 6 at Durham Bus Station
Unber43
09 Jan 2024, 9:54 pm #110

(09 Jan 2024, 9:22 pm)Drifter60 The 65 changes have cut the layover time at Seaham from 14 minutes to 5 minutes. Haven’t checked the layover at Durham as it interworks with the 20.
Its got 7 mins at Durham (baring in mind the 65 now takes 1hour 1 min, it used to take 56 mins), then 7 mins in Sunderland then to goes onto a long 20 which has 3 mins at Hosptial but then about 6 at Durham Bus Station

Aaron21



786
09 Jan 2024, 10:10 pm #111
So the 93/94 mention "additionally serving The Glasshouse between Gateshead and Saltmeadows Road"

Well did they forget to tell people. Its only evenings

Nice to see they finally added the 65 timetable today.
Aaron21
09 Jan 2024, 10:10 pm #111

So the 93/94 mention "additionally serving The Glasshouse between Gateshead and Saltmeadows Road"

Well did they forget to tell people. Its only evenings

Nice to see they finally added the 65 timetable today.

LVK 404L



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09 Jan 2024, 10:54 pm #112
(09 Jan 2024, 10:10 pm)Aaron21 So the 93/94 mention "additionally serving The Glasshouse between Gateshead and Saltmeadows Road"

Well did they forget to tell people. Its only evenings

Nice to see they finally added the 
Services 93/94
  • Minor timetable changes to improve reliability. We are pleased to announce that in partnership with Nexus, with financial support from the Government’s Bus Service Improvement Plan, services 93 and 94 will now run every 30 minutes on an evening, additionally serving The Glasshouse between Gateshead and Saltmeadows Road.
LVK 404L
09 Jan 2024, 10:54 pm #112

(09 Jan 2024, 10:10 pm)Aaron21 So the 93/94 mention "additionally serving The Glasshouse between Gateshead and Saltmeadows Road"

Well did they forget to tell people. Its only evenings

Nice to see they finally added the 
Services 93/94
  • Minor timetable changes to improve reliability. We are pleased to announce that in partnership with Nexus, with financial support from the Government’s Bus Service Improvement Plan, services 93 and 94 will now run every 30 minutes on an evening, additionally serving The Glasshouse between Gateshead and Saltmeadows Road.

James101



652
09 Jan 2024, 11:10 pm #113
Spacing between departures from Durham to Sunderland isn’t great. X20 just 3 minute after a 20 and sharing the same stand. It won’t be helpful for X20 loadings as this effectively narrows the time saving down to 5 minutes to Houghton.
James101
09 Jan 2024, 11:10 pm #113

Spacing between departures from Durham to Sunderland isn’t great. X20 just 3 minute after a 20 and sharing the same stand. It won’t be helpful for X20 loadings as this effectively narrows the time saving down to 5 minutes to Houghton.

Dan

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10 Jan 2024, 3:55 am #114
(09 Jan 2024, 11:10 pm)James101 Spacing between departures from Durham to Sunderland isn’t great. X20 just 3 minute after a 20 and sharing the same stand. It won’t be helpful for X20 loadings as this effectively narrows the time saving down to 5 minutes to Houghton.


It’s impossible to get an equal co-ordination between the 20/X20 in both directions and across the entire route (by virtue of one being faster than the other…)

The biggest flow of passengers is Sunderland and East Herrington to Houghton-le-Spring, where you will note co-ordination between the two services is much better in both directions (aiming towards a bus being every 7-8 minutes on the common section).

It’s one of those situations where the service is trying to achieve more than one thing, and there’s limitations to how it can do everything.

Towards Durham is much better.


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Dan
10 Jan 2024, 3:55 am #114

(09 Jan 2024, 11:10 pm)James101 Spacing between departures from Durham to Sunderland isn’t great. X20 just 3 minute after a 20 and sharing the same stand. It won’t be helpful for X20 loadings as this effectively narrows the time saving down to 5 minutes to Houghton.


It’s impossible to get an equal co-ordination between the 20/X20 in both directions and across the entire route (by virtue of one being faster than the other…)

The biggest flow of passengers is Sunderland and East Herrington to Houghton-le-Spring, where you will note co-ordination between the two services is much better in both directions (aiming towards a bus being every 7-8 minutes on the common section).

It’s one of those situations where the service is trying to achieve more than one thing, and there’s limitations to how it can do everything.

Towards Durham is much better.


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Dan

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10 Jan 2024, 3:59 am #115
(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it. Gne just using it every second of the day.


Well done to Go North East for improving their bus services, using funding allocated by local authorities as part of the… Bus Service Improvement Plan!

Such a novel idea.


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Dan
10 Jan 2024, 3:59 am #115

(09 Jan 2024, 9:55 am)Aaron21 Knew the X20 would be BSIP. Called it. Gne just using it every second of the day.


Well done to Go North East for improving their bus services, using funding allocated by local authorities as part of the… Bus Service Improvement Plan!

Such a novel idea.


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DeltaMan



563
10 Jan 2024, 8:30 am #116
Think what I may do is start a bus company. Introduce a temporary timetable for staffing reasons and then get the tax payer to pay for me to restore the previous service levels. Job done.

Same goes for Arriva before anybody pipes up.
DeltaMan
10 Jan 2024, 8:30 am #116

Think what I may do is start a bus company. Introduce a temporary timetable for staffing reasons and then get the tax payer to pay for me to restore the previous service levels. Job done.

Same goes for Arriva before anybody pipes up.

F114TML



909
10 Jan 2024, 10:06 am #117
(09 Jan 2024, 8:38 pm)Storx Since it's been funded by the council imo something like the below would be better, purple areas being stopping and black being non stop:


You could have the whole route every 30 minutes, with extra shorts running between the two P&R sites and then scrap the PR1 and save money there rather than having buses duplicating each other (this is how it works in York). Plus Doxford Park should be served all day imo, but it's just as quick to go via Silksworth and would open new links South.

The 20/20A would stay as it is now.

Eek! You might want to dive it through Farringdon - there's a reason Stagecoach only use that route as a diversin or by driver discretion.
F114TML
10 Jan 2024, 10:06 am #117

(09 Jan 2024, 8:38 pm)Storx Since it's been funded by the council imo something like the below would be better, purple areas being stopping and black being non stop:


You could have the whole route every 30 minutes, with extra shorts running between the two P&R sites and then scrap the PR1 and save money there rather than having buses duplicating each other (this is how it works in York). Plus Doxford Park should be served all day imo, but it's just as quick to go via Silksworth and would open new links South.

The 20/20A would stay as it is now.

Eek! You might want to dive it through Farringdon - there's a reason Stagecoach only use that route as a diversin or by driver discretion.

Adrian



9,589
10 Jan 2024, 10:43 am #118
(10 Jan 2024, 8:30 am)DeltaMan Think what I may do is start a bus company. Introduce a temporary timetable for staffing reasons and then get the tax payer to pay for me to restore the previous service levels. Job done.

Same goes for Arriva before anybody pipes up.

Take the 'for staffing reasons' out, and it's pretty much what every operator has done since deregulation.

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Adrian
10 Jan 2024, 10:43 am #118

(10 Jan 2024, 8:30 am)DeltaMan Think what I may do is start a bus company. Introduce a temporary timetable for staffing reasons and then get the tax payer to pay for me to restore the previous service levels. Job done.

Same goes for Arriva before anybody pipes up.

Take the 'for staffing reasons' out, and it's pretty much what every operator has done since deregulation.


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Storx



4,621
10 Jan 2024, 11:58 am #119
(10 Jan 2024, 10:06 am)F114TML Eek! You might want to dive it through Farringdon - there's a reason Stagecoach only use that route as a diversin or by driver discretion.

Must say never seem any problems in a car, quite often go from Morrison's to Sainsbury's when around there. Guessing the problem is Silksworth Lane is too narrow for a bus?
Storx
10 Jan 2024, 11:58 am #119

(10 Jan 2024, 10:06 am)F114TML Eek! You might want to dive it through Farringdon - there's a reason Stagecoach only use that route as a diversin or by driver discretion.

Must say never seem any problems in a car, quite often go from Morrison's to Sainsbury's when around there. Guessing the problem is Silksworth Lane is too narrow for a bus?

Andreos1



14,241
10 Jan 2024, 12:22 pm #120
(10 Jan 2024, 3:59 am)Dan Well done to Go North East for improving their bus services, using funding allocated by local authorities as part of the… Bus Service Improvement Plan!

Such a novel idea.


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Intrigued how they couldn't do this all without funding mind.

(09 Jan 2024, 11:10 pm)James101 Spacing between departures from Durham to Sunderland isn’t great. X20 just 3 minute after a 20 and sharing the same stand. It won’t be helpful for X20 loadings as this effectively narrows the time saving down to 5 minutes to Houghton.

I'd have thought it would make sense for it to be the other way around. 
X20 takes the heavy load to help support the investment it's getting. 
20 sustains itself with those travelling locally or to locations the X20 doesn't serve.
Edited 10 Jan 2024, 12:28 pm by Andreos1.

'Illegitimis non carborundum'
Andreos1
10 Jan 2024, 12:22 pm #120

(10 Jan 2024, 3:59 am)Dan Well done to Go North East for improving their bus services, using funding allocated by local authorities as part of the… Bus Service Improvement Plan!

Such a novel idea.


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Intrigued how they couldn't do this all without funding mind.

(09 Jan 2024, 11:10 pm)James101 Spacing between departures from Durham to Sunderland isn’t great. X20 just 3 minute after a 20 and sharing the same stand. It won’t be helpful for X20 loadings as this effectively narrows the time saving down to 5 minutes to Houghton.

I'd have thought it would make sense for it to be the other way around. 
X20 takes the heavy load to help support the investment it's getting. 
20 sustains itself with those travelling locally or to locations the X20 doesn't serve.


'Illegitimis non carborundum'

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