Tees Valley ZEBRA (Zero Emission Bus Regional Area) 2 Bid
Tees Valley ZEBRA (Zero Emission Bus Regional Area) 2 Bid
I know there's already a thread generally on this but thought the Teesside one should probably have it's own thread than been stuck with the TNE bid.
Seen that Darlington in one of their latest council meetings has now released more details on this and the bid is for 62 buses split between Arriva Redcar and Darlington and Stagecoach Stockton.
See: https://democracy.darlington.gov.uk/docu...Report.pdf
There's also been a second document released by the TVCA on upgraded bus stops which has bus improvement corridors shown on maps.
See: https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/about/wp-co...024-fv.pdf
Edit: Someone confirmed it's the 2 at Darlington, 63 at Redcar with the rest at Stagecoach Stockton, left the original post below.
Now putting 1 + 1 together, which isn't always the most reliable by using the corridors on the maps and the depots listed above I have a feeling the bid might include these:
Arriva Darlington
2/2A (6)
X66/X67 (6)
Arriva Redcar
63 (13?)
X4 (8)
Stagecoach Stockton
36/37/38 (15?)
12 (6)
That's just speculating of course, but it would sense and would give a fair balance imo in terms of access across all areas, unlike other bids.
(03 Feb 2024, 12:32 pm)Storx I know there's already a thread generally on this but thought the Teesside one should probably have it's own thread than been stuck with the TNE bid.
Seen that Darlington in one of their latest council meetings has now released more details on this and the bid is for 62 buses split between Arriva Redcar and Darlington and Stagecoach Stockton.
See: https://democracy.darlington.gov.uk/docu...Report.pdf
There's also been a second document released by the TVCA on upgraded bus stops which has bus improvement corridors shown on maps.
See: https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/about/wp-co...024-fv.pdf
Now putting 1 + 1 together, which isn't always the most reliable by using the corridors on the maps and the depots listed above I have a feeling the bid might include these:
Arriva Darlington
2/2A (6)
X66/X67 (6)
Arriva Redcar
63 (13?)
X4 (8)
Stagecoach Stockton
36/37/38 (15?)
12 (6)
That's just speculating of course, but it would sense and would give a fair balance imo in terms of access across all areas, unlike other bids.
(03 Feb 2024, 12:32 pm)Storx I know there's already a thread generally on this but thought the Teesside one should probably have it's own thread than been stuck with the TNE bid.
Seen that Darlington in one of their latest council meetings has now released more details on this and the bid is for 62 buses split between Arriva Redcar and Darlington and Stagecoach Stockton.
See: https://democracy.darlington.gov.uk/docu...Report.pdf
There's also been a second document released by the TVCA on upgraded bus stops which has bus improvement corridors shown on maps.
See: https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/about/wp-co...024-fv.pdf
Now putting 1 + 1 together, which isn't always the most reliable by using the corridors on the maps and the depots listed above I have a feeling the bid might include these:
Arriva Darlington
2/2A (6)
X66/X67 (6)
Arriva Redcar
63 (13?)
X4 (8)
Stagecoach Stockton
36/37/38 (15?)
12 (6)
That's just speculating of course, but it would sense and would give a fair balance imo in terms of access across all areas, unlike other bids.
(03 Feb 2024, 12:39 pm)Andreos1 I've not looked at the attachments or documents, but I'd be very surprised to see the X4 to be included, just because of the nature of the route and logistics involved.
The 63 doesn't surprise me at all given the urban nature of the route.
(03 Feb 2024, 12:39 pm)Andreos1 I've not looked at the attachments or documents, but I'd be very surprised to see the X4 to be included, just because of the nature of the route and logistics involved.
The 63 doesn't surprise me at all given the urban nature of the route.
(03 Feb 2024, 4:14 pm)RobinHood The Arriva Zebra 2 bid is Darlington Service 2 and Redcar Service 63. Stagecoach bid is pretty much all of their Stockton depot based services, essentially a full depot bid. All bids are electric, no hydrogen.
(03 Feb 2024, 4:14 pm)RobinHood The Arriva Zebra 2 bid is Darlington Service 2 and Redcar Service 63. Stagecoach bid is pretty much all of their Stockton depot based services, essentially a full depot bid. All bids are electric, no hydrogen.
(03 Feb 2024, 4:36 pm)RobinHood It might not be the whole depot, but assuming two thirds of the bid are Stagecoach, its not far off!
(03 Feb 2024, 4:36 pm)RobinHood It might not be the whole depot, but assuming two thirds of the bid are Stagecoach, its not far off!
(03 Feb 2024, 4:48 pm)Storx Edited the post again to make that clearer.
Assume you only know the Arriva side and put 1 plus 2 together and obviously just linked the rest there. Mind surprised it's only 6 buses at Darlington mind, seems a rather expensive infrastructure job for so little routes but suppose there's not much else there within Tees Valley. The 1, 5 and 7 being the obvious choices but they're cross boundary.
(03 Feb 2024, 4:48 pm)Storx Edited the post again to make that clearer.
Assume you only know the Arriva side and put 1 plus 2 together and obviously just linked the rest there. Mind surprised it's only 6 buses at Darlington mind, seems a rather expensive infrastructure job for so little routes but suppose there's not much else there within Tees Valley. The 1, 5 and 7 being the obvious choices but they're cross boundary.
(03 Feb 2024, 5:07 pm)RobinHood 6+1 spare for the 2 and 13+1 spare for the 63 = 21 for Arriva. The rest for Stagecoach.
The infrastructure cost is broadly relative to the number of vehicles, except maybe the DNO charges which will be fixed irrespective of the number of connections. If they are successful though, it makes future electric much more attractive and value for money, as the core infrastructure is already in place, you just need additional charge points.
Some services cannot take electric in any form at the moment, as the technology doesn't exist, not without opportunity charging (which is additional cost) or additional spare vehicles to swap over during the day, due to range issues (also, additional cost compared to operating vs conventional diesel). Each operator therefore still needs to be happy that this is a business case they can commit to internally and makes sense, as they are still spending the same amount of money as it would be to buy new diesel, plus 25% towards the infrastructure and difference of the vehicle.
(03 Feb 2024, 5:07 pm)RobinHood 6+1 spare for the 2 and 13+1 spare for the 63 = 21 for Arriva. The rest for Stagecoach.
The infrastructure cost is broadly relative to the number of vehicles, except maybe the DNO charges which will be fixed irrespective of the number of connections. If they are successful though, it makes future electric much more attractive and value for money, as the core infrastructure is already in place, you just need additional charge points.
Some services cannot take electric in any form at the moment, as the technology doesn't exist, not without opportunity charging (which is additional cost) or additional spare vehicles to swap over during the day, due to range issues (also, additional cost compared to operating vs conventional diesel). Each operator therefore still needs to be happy that this is a business case they can commit to internally and makes sense, as they are still spending the same amount of money as it would be to buy new diesel, plus 25% towards the infrastructure and difference of the vehicle.
