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Kuyoyo

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06 Mar 2014, 8:17 pm #21

(06 Mar 2014, 8:14 pm)aureolin So you're not disclosing then? As it's not exactly new information.

I'm explaining, the Gas Scanias are (or were, now the cat's out of the bag about Stockton's order) officially the only ones that are supposed to already be in the public domain. Hence, they are the only ones that's destination can officially be disclosed because it's already well know.

Kuyoyo

06 Mar 2014, 8:17 pm #21

(06 Mar 2014, 8:14 pm)aureolin So you're not disclosing then? As it's not exactly new information.

Kuyoyo

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06 Mar 2014, 8:24 pm #22

(06 Mar 2014, 8:17 pm)Dan Kuyoyo was probably doing as he was told by keeping quiet. Tyresmoke spilled the beans for the only other 'unknown' investment, following on from earlier posts about 25 being 'the magic number'
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'Certainly being spread around the drivers now that Stockton are getting 25 ADL Enviro 300 for the 36/37/38 group of services. This should enable 25 ALX300s to be withdrawn, with the MAN E300s expected to be cascaded onto Middlesbrough based services 11/12/14/34'

Other buses could still make their way to the North East fleet by cascades from other regions though...

Dan has hit the nail on the head - I've know about new vehicles for Stockton for the last 3 weeks, and had heard rumours from drivers in the weeks leading up to the date I got the confirmation, which incidentally was the day of the launch of 28001-17. I was told that day to keep quiet until closer to the time. It's this reason the Stockton Open Day is delayed until later this year - so to launch the E300s at the event.

As for external cascades, remember Stockton are still 4 Tridents outstanding. Plus, the City Sightseeing Fleet turns 24 this year (and are, by far, the oldest vehicles used in service in not just the North East but in the Stagecoach UK fleet outside of London). Apart from that, the last vehicles transferred into the North East from outside the region before 17025-9/32 were 16431-7 in 2003 so I'd be amazed if much did arrive from other regions when most still have Olympians and B10Ms to replace as well as non-DDA single deckers.

Kuyoyo

06 Mar 2014, 8:24 pm #22

(06 Mar 2014, 8:17 pm)Dan Kuyoyo was probably doing as he was told by keeping quiet. Tyresmoke spilled the beans for the only other 'unknown' investment, following on from earlier posts about 25 being 'the magic number'
( ):

'Certainly being spread around the drivers now that Stockton are getting 25 ADL Enviro 300 for the 36/37/38 group of services. This should enable 25 ALX300s to be withdrawn, with the MAN E300s expected to be cascaded onto Middlesbrough based services 11/12/14/34'

Other buses could still make their way to the North East fleet by cascades from other regions though...

Adrian

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06 Mar 2014, 8:30 pm #23

(06 Mar 2014, 8:24 pm)Kuyoyo Dan has hit the nail on the head - I've know about new vehicles for Stockton for the last 3 weeks, and had heard rumours from drivers in the weeks leading up to the date I got the confirmation, which incidentally was the day of the launch of 28001-17. I was told that day to keep quiet until closer to the time. It's this reason the Stockton Open Day is delayed until later this year - so to launch the E300s at the event.

As for external cascades, remember Stockton are still 4 Tridents outstanding. Plus, the City Sightseeing Fleet turns 24 this year (and are, by far, the oldest vehicles used in service in not just the North East but in the Stagecoach UK fleet outside of London). Apart from that, the last vehicles transferred into the North East from outside the region before 17025-9/32 were 16431-7 in 2003 so I'd be amazed if much did arrive from other regions when most still have Olympians and B10Ms to replace as well as non-DDA single deckers.

Out of interest, do the City Sightseeing buses (nationwide for that matter), have a deadline to comply with the equality act?

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Adrian

06 Mar 2014, 8:30 pm #23

(06 Mar 2014, 8:24 pm)Kuyoyo Dan has hit the nail on the head - I've know about new vehicles for Stockton for the last 3 weeks, and had heard rumours from drivers in the weeks leading up to the date I got the confirmation, which incidentally was the day of the launch of 28001-17. I was told that day to keep quiet until closer to the time. It's this reason the Stockton Open Day is delayed until later this year - so to launch the E300s at the event.

As for external cascades, remember Stockton are still 4 Tridents outstanding. Plus, the City Sightseeing Fleet turns 24 this year (and are, by far, the oldest vehicles used in service in not just the North East but in the Stagecoach UK fleet outside of London). Apart from that, the last vehicles transferred into the North East from outside the region before 17025-9/32 were 16431-7 in 2003 so I'd be amazed if much did arrive from other regions when most still have Olympians and B10Ms to replace as well as non-DDA single deckers.

Out of interest, do the City Sightseeing buses (nationwide for that matter), have a deadline to comply with the equality act?

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tyresmoke

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06 Mar 2014, 8:33 pm #24

(06 Mar 2014, 8:30 pm)aureolin Out of interest, do the City Sightseeing buses (nationwide for that matter), have a deadline to comply with the equality act?

DDA? Yes as they operate on registered (fare taking) services and therefore have to meet the deadline.
I suppose it depends on when the franchise is next up for grabs or whatever.

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tyresmoke

06 Mar 2014, 8:33 pm #24

(06 Mar 2014, 8:30 pm)aureolin Out of interest, do the City Sightseeing buses (nationwide for that matter), have a deadline to comply with the equality act?

DDA? Yes as they operate on registered (fare taking) services and therefore have to meet the deadline.
I suppose it depends on when the franchise is next up for grabs or whatever.

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Kuyoyo

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06 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm #25

(06 Mar 2014, 8:30 pm)aureolin Out of interest, do the City Sightseeing buses (nationwide for that matter), have a deadline to comply with the equality act?

Same deadline as normal service vehicles - as they operate as registered services, they have to be DDA-compliant by 1st January 2017. Newcastle is currently the only Stagecoach-operated franchise that still uses high floor vehicles (and has always used the oldest vehicles of the 3 owned franchise anyway).

Kuyoyo

06 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm #25

(06 Mar 2014, 8:30 pm)aureolin Out of interest, do the City Sightseeing buses (nationwide for that matter), have a deadline to comply with the equality act?

Tom

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06 Mar 2014, 8:38 pm #26

(06 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm)Kuyoyo Same deadline as normal service vehicles - as they operate as registered services, they have to be DDA-compliant by 1st January 2017. Newcastle is currently the only Stagecoach-operated franchise that still uses high floor vehicles (and has always used the oldest vehicles of the 3 owned franchise anyway).

Suppose it could get 17012-16 from Cumbria?

Tom

06 Mar 2014, 8:38 pm #26

(06 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm)Kuyoyo Same deadline as normal service vehicles - as they operate as registered services, they have to be DDA-compliant by 1st January 2017. Newcastle is currently the only Stagecoach-operated franchise that still uses high floor vehicles (and has always used the oldest vehicles of the 3 owned franchise anyway).

Suppose it could get 17012-16 from Cumbria?

Kuyoyo

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06 Mar 2014, 8:39 pm #27

(06 Mar 2014, 8:38 pm)Tom Suppose it could get 17012-16 from Cumbria?

They aren't DDA - any Tridents for City Sightseeing will come from examples retained once their life in London comes to an end.

Kuyoyo

06 Mar 2014, 8:39 pm #27

(06 Mar 2014, 8:38 pm)Tom Suppose it could get 17012-16 from Cumbria?

They aren't DDA - any Tridents for City Sightseeing will come from examples retained once their life in London comes to an end.

tyresmoke

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06 Mar 2014, 8:39 pm #28

(06 Mar 2014, 8:38 pm)Tom Suppose it could get 17012-16 from Cumbria?

Not sure they're DDA compliant though? Depends how much it would cost to do so versus converting some newer ex London stock though...

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tyresmoke

06 Mar 2014, 8:39 pm #28

(06 Mar 2014, 8:38 pm)Tom Suppose it could get 17012-16 from Cumbria?

Not sure they're DDA compliant though? Depends how much it would cost to do so versus converting some newer ex London stock though...

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Adrian

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06 Mar 2014, 8:42 pm #29

(06 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm)Kuyoyo Same deadline as normal service vehicles - as they operate as registered services, they have to be DDA-compliant by 1st January 2017. Newcastle is currently the only Stagecoach-operated franchise that still uses high floor vehicles (and has always used the oldest vehicles of the 3 owned franchise anyway).

Ah right makes sense - cheers!

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Adrian

06 Mar 2014, 8:42 pm #29

(06 Mar 2014, 8:34 pm)Kuyoyo Same deadline as normal service vehicles - as they operate as registered services, they have to be DDA-compliant by 1st January 2017. Newcastle is currently the only Stagecoach-operated franchise that still uses high floor vehicles (and has always used the oldest vehicles of the 3 owned franchise anyway).

Ah right makes sense - cheers!

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Kuyoyo

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27 Mar 2014, 3:42 pm #30

A surprising addition to the order - this is not related to the North East but is part of the order

http://www.stagecoachbus.com/pressreleas...px?Id=1720

Kuyoyo

27 Mar 2014, 3:42 pm #30

A surprising addition to the order - this is not related to the North East but is part of the order

http://www.stagecoachbus.com/pressreleas...px?Id=1720

MilkybarKid

27 Mar 2014, 4:22 pm #31

(27 Mar 2014, 3:42 pm)Kuyoyo A surprising addition to the order - this is not related to the North East but is part of the order

http://www.stagecoachbus.com/pressreleas...px?Id=1720

Is this Stagecoach's first ever double deck volvo order?

MilkybarKid

27 Mar 2014, 4:22 pm #31

(27 Mar 2014, 3:42 pm)Kuyoyo A surprising addition to the order - this is not related to the North East but is part of the order

http://www.stagecoachbus.com/pressreleas...px?Id=1720

Is this Stagecoach's first ever double deck volvo order?

Kuyoyo

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27 Mar 2014, 4:26 pm #32

(27 Mar 2014, 4:22 pm)MilkybarKid Is this Stagecoach's first ever double deck volvo order?

No, it's the second order for low floor Volvo Deckers this year. Prior to that, the last order for Volvo Deckers was in 1998 for Olympians.

Kuyoyo

27 Mar 2014, 4:26 pm #32

(27 Mar 2014, 4:22 pm)MilkybarKid Is this Stagecoach's first ever double deck volvo order?

No, it's the second order for low floor Volvo Deckers this year. Prior to that, the last order for Volvo Deckers was in 1998 for Olympians.

MilkybarKid

27 Mar 2014, 4:28 pm #33

Ahh right, thanks

Where did the first order go?

Edited 27 Mar 2014, 4:31 pm by MilkybarKid.

MilkybarKid

27 Mar 2014, 4:28 pm #33

Ahh right, thanks

Where did the first order go?

Dan

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06 Apr 2014, 9:21 am #34

(06 Apr 2014, 8:40 am)Richard Smiles As I understand it Tony, these vehicles will carry Fleet Numbers from 13041 upwards.

Do you know when they are due to enter service roughly? Wouldn't mind getting a few photos of them.

Dan

06 Apr 2014, 9:21 am #34

(06 Apr 2014, 8:40 am)Richard Smiles As I understand it Tony, these vehicles will carry Fleet Numbers from 13041 upwards.

Do you know when they are due to enter service roughly? Wouldn't mind getting a few photos of them.

Kuyoyo

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10 Apr 2014, 7:46 pm #35

Order break down as the first vehicles have been completed and are as I post this, en-route to the first lucky depot in this year's order

69 ADL Enviro 400 Scania double-deckers

86 ADL Enviro 300 single-deckers - 27101-86
27141/2: C&SL Carlisle
27157-81: NE Stockton

28 ADL Enviro 300 Scania single-deckers

23 ADL Enviro 300 Scania GAS single-deckers
28018-40: NE Sunderland (due May)

26 Astromega Euro 6 double deck coaches (for Oxford Tube)

3 Astromega Euro 5 double-deck coaches

6 Van Hool Altano TDX 21 left-hand drive coaches
55011-6: Megabus Rugby

199 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 midibuses - 37081-37179
37081-5: ES Perth (Delivered 10-11th April 2014)
37086-126: C&SL Carlisle (Under Construction)
37143/4: NE South Shields (Due July)

2 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 Euro 6 midibuses

29 ADL Enviro400 Euro 6 double-deckers
All 29 for Manchester

13 Optare Solo Cummins minibuses

8 Plaxton Elite i Volvo B11R Euro 6 coaches
54222-9

3 Van Hool Astromega double-deck sleepercoach vehicles
50311-3

18 ADL Enviro 400 Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13041-58: ES Dundee

32 Wrightbus Gemini Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13001-32: London

40 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers

1 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Conventional Euro 6

Kuyoyo

10 Apr 2014, 7:46 pm #35

Kuyoyo

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12 Apr 2014, 5:56 pm #36

Updated list

69 ADL Enviro 400 Scania double-deckers
15175-196
15950-96

86 ADL Enviro 300 single-deckers - 27101-86
27141/2: C&SL Carlisle
27157-81: NE Stockton

28 ADL Enviro 300 Scania single-deckers
28681-712

23 ADL Enviro 300 Scania GAS single-deckers
28018-40: NE Sunderland (due May)

26 Astromega Euro 6 double deck coaches (for Oxford Tube)
50261-86: MD Oxford
5 examples will carry the cherished registrations T40/44/50/55/60 UBE

3 Astromega Euro 5 double-deck coaches
50251-3: WS Glasgow

6 Van Hool Altano TDX 21 left-hand drive coaches
55011-6: Megabus Rugby

199 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 midibuses - 37081-37179
37081-5: ES Perth (Delivered 10-11th April 2014)
37086-126: C&SL Carlisle (Under Construction)
37125-42
37143/4: NE South Shields (Due July)
37145-290

2 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 Euro 6 midibuses
37291/2

29 ADL Enviro400 Euro 6 double-deckers
10401-29: MA (Depot Unknown)

13 Optare Solo Cummins minibuses
47921 C&SL Carlisle
47922-33

8 Plaxton Elite i Volvo B11R Euro 6 coaches
54231-8: ES Aberhill

3 Van Hool Astromega double-deck sleepercoach vehicles
50311-3: WS Glasgow

18 ADL Enviro 400 Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13041-58: ES Dundee

32 Wrightbus Gemini Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13001-32: London

40 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
12324-63: LO Bow

1 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Conventional Euro 6
10197: London (depot unknown)

Kuyoyo

12 Apr 2014, 5:56 pm #36

Davey Bowyer

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12 Apr 2014, 7:47 pm #37

I'm surprised that Stagecoach is ordering with Wrights and Volvo. That's a very wierd turn of events with Arriva going in the opposite way with regards to the E400 order but Wrights no longer build the DB300 integral although essentially, the ADL and VDL chassis both come with the same engine but just built and tuned slightly differently.

Davey Bowyer

12 Apr 2014, 7:47 pm #37

Kuyoyo

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12 Apr 2014, 7:49 pm #38

(12 Apr 2014, 7:47 pm)Davey Bowyer I'm surprised that Stagecoach is ordering with Wrights and Volvo. That's a very wierd turn of events with Arriva going in the opposite way with regards to the E400 order but Wrights no longer build the DB300 integral although essentially, the ADL and VDL chassis both come with the same engine but just built and tuned slightly differently.

Only reason for the Volvo order is due to delivery time issues with ADL over ordering E400Hs. They are likely to be the only examples order (and the ordering of the ADL-bodied examples is also odd, as they will be the first examples bodied by someone other than Wrights and the first ADL-bodied Volvos for 5 years for the mainland).

Kuyoyo

12 Apr 2014, 7:49 pm #38

(12 Apr 2014, 7:47 pm)Davey Bowyer I'm surprised that Stagecoach is ordering with Wrights and Volvo. That's a very wierd turn of events with Arriva going in the opposite way with regards to the E400 order but Wrights no longer build the DB300 integral although essentially, the ADL and VDL chassis both come with the same engine but just built and tuned slightly differently.

Kuyoyo

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13 Apr 2014, 9:52 am #39

Had confirmation on the first of the E300 order, see below

Stagecoach 2014-2015 Order

69 ADL Enviro 400 Scania double-deckers
15175-196

15175-15179: EM Grimsby
15180-15189: EK Folkestone
15190-15196: YZ Chesterfield

15950-96

15950-960: EA Cambridge
15961-963: SW Torquay
15964-966: OF Oxford
15967-976: WX Swindon
15977-981: WX Cheltenham
15982-993: SE (Depot Unallocated)
15994-996: OX Oxford

86 ADL Enviro 300 single-deckers - 27101-86

27101-112: BU Aberdeen
27113-116: MY Preston
27117-130: ES Glenrothes
27131-140: ES Perth
27141/2: C&SL Carlisle
27143-156: MY Gillmoss
27157-181: NE Stockton
27182-186: (Currently Unallocated)

28 ADL Enviro 300 Scania single-deckers
28681-712

28681-708: (Currently Unallocated)
28709-712: WW Cwmbran

23 ADL Enviro 300 Scania GAS single-deckers
28018-40: NE Sunderland (due May)

26 Astromega Euro 6 double deck coaches (for Oxford Tube)
50261-86: OF Oxford
5 examples will carry the cherished registrations T40/44/50/55/60 UBE

3 Astromega Euro 5 double-deck coaches
50251-3: WS Glasgow

6 Van Hool Altano TDX 21 left-hand drive coaches
55011-6: Megabus Rugby

199 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 midibuses - 37081-37179
37081-5: ES Perth (Delivered 10-11th April 2014)
37086-126: C&SL Carlisle (Under Construction)
37127-129: MY Preston
37130-141: SW Exeter
37142: SW Exmouth
37143/4: NE South Shields (Due July)
37145: YZ Barnsley
37146-166: MA Stockport
37167-180: WW Caerphilly
37181-186: YZ Chesterfield
37187-209: EM Grimsby
37210-215: EA Cambridge
37216-235: EA Peterborough
37236-279: (Currently Unallocated)
37280-290: WS Arran (Scotland)

2 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 Euro 6 midibuses
37291/2: SE Basingstoke

29 ADL Enviro400 Euro 6 double-deckers
10401-29: MA Sharston

13 Optare Solo M880 Cummins minibuses
47921: C&NL Carlisle
47922-923: MY Preston
47924-927: SE Andover
47928-930: SE Chichester
47931-933: SE Aldershot

8 Plaxton Elite i Volvo B11R Euro 6 coaches
54231-8: ES Aberhill

3 Van Hool Astromega double-deck sleepercoach vehicles
50311-3: WS Glasgow

18 ADL Enviro 400 ? Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13041-58: ES Dundee

32 Wrightbus Gemini Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13001-32: LN Plumstead

40 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
12324-63: LN Bow

1 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Conventional Euro 6
10197: LN Bromley

Kuyoyo

13 Apr 2014, 9:52 am #39

Kuyoyo

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15 Apr 2014, 10:53 am #40

Some new additional information regarding various parts of the order (as well as some corrections which are listed in bold)

Stagecoach 2014-2015 Order

69 ADL Enviro 400 Scania double-deckers
15175-196

15175-15179: EM Grimsby
15180-15189: EK Folkestone GOLD spec
15190-15196: YZ Chesterfield GOLD spec

15950-96

15950-960: EA Cambridge GOLD spec
15961-963: SW Torquay GOLD spec
15964-966: OF Oxford GOLD spec
15967-970: WX Swindon GOLD spec
15971-976: WX Swindon
15977-981: WX Cheltenham
15982-993: SE Worthing
15994-996: OX Oxford

86 ADL Enviro 300 Euro 6 single-deckers - 27101-86

27101-112: BU Aberdeen
27113-116: MY Preston
27117-130: ES Glenrothes
27131-140: ES Perth
27141/2: C&SL Carlisle
27143-156: MY Gillmoss
27157-181: NE Stockton
27182-186: EM Mansfield

28 ADL Enviro 300 Scania single-deckers
28681-712

28681-688: WX Cheltenham
28689-702: WS Kilmarnock
28703-708: WS Cumnock
28709-712: WW Cwmbran

23 ADL Enviro 300 Scania GAS single-deckers
28018-40: NE Sunderland (due May)

26 Astromega Euro 6 double deck coaches (for Oxford Tube)
50261-86: OF Oxford
5 examples will carry the cherished registrations T40/44/50/55/60 UBE

3 Astromega Euro 5 double-deck coaches
50251-3: WS Glasgow

6 Van Hool Altano TDX 21 left-hand drive coaches
55011-6: Megabus Rugby

199 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 midibuses - 37081-37179
37081-5: ES Perth (Delivered 10-11th April 2014)
37086-126: C&SL Carlisle (Under Construction)
37127-129: MY Preston
37130-141: SW Exeter
37142: SW Exmouth
37143/4: NE South Shields (Due July)
37145: YZ Barnsley
37146-166: MA Stockport
37167-180: WW Caerphilly
37181-186: YZ Chesterfield
37187-209: EM Grimsby
37210-215: EA Cambridge
37216-235: EA Peterborough
37236-247: WX Cheltenham
37248-253: WS Kilmarnock
37254-259: HL Inverness
37260-277: SE Worthing
37278-283: SE Chichester
37284-288: SE Portsmouth
37289-290: Unallocated

2 ADL Enviro 200 Dart 4 Euro 6 midibuses
37291/2: SE Eastbourne

29 ADL MMC Euro 6 double-deckers
10401-29: MA Sharston

13 Optare Solo M900 Cummins minibuses
47921: C&NL Carlisle
47922-923: MY Preston
47924-927: SE Andover
47928-930: SE Chichester
47931-933: SE Aldershot

8 Plaxton Elite i Volvo B11R Euro 6 coaches
54231-8: ES Aberhill

3 Van Hool Astromega double-deck sleepercoach vehicles
50311-3: WS Glasgow

18 ADL Enviro MMC Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13041-58: ES Glenrothes (note these are currently down as due in early 2015 but may be required before the end of the year)

32 Wrightbus Gemini Volvo B5LH Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
13001-32: LN Plumstead

40 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Euro 6 hybrid double-deckers
12324-63: LN Bow

1 ADL Enviro 400 Trident Conventional Euro 6
10197: LN Bromley

Note, the original list from the Stagecoach Bus Handbook 2014 are those due by the end of September (13041-58)

Edited 15 Apr 2014, 12:27 pm by Kuyoyo.

Kuyoyo

15 Apr 2014, 10:53 am #40

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