Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
Go North East: Service Suggestions v2
(14 Apr 2024, 11:44 am)col87 Ok the X10 takes longer than the train but it’s still always packed end to end so that’s not really an excuse. The X5 used to work as did the 231 before Go North East got rid of them so am fairly confident it would work now. My X1 idea would be limited stop so really it would only be. Hartlepool Interchange, Hartlepool Victoria Road, Mill House, Dyke House School, University Hospital, All stops Throston Grange and all stops Hart Village, Dalton Park, Easington Lane clock, Houghton Le Spring, then whatever stop it is to Washington then more or less direct to Newcastle so am fairly sure it would work.
(14 Apr 2024, 11:44 am)col87 Ok the X10 takes longer than the train but it’s still always packed end to end so that’s not really an excuse. The X5 used to work as did the 231 before Go North East got rid of them so am fairly confident it would work now. My X1 idea would be limited stop so really it would only be. Hartlepool Interchange, Hartlepool Victoria Road, Mill House, Dyke House School, University Hospital, All stops Throston Grange and all stops Hart Village, Dalton Park, Easington Lane clock, Houghton Le Spring, then whatever stop it is to Washington then more or less direct to Newcastle so am fairly sure it would work.
Been watching these 2/2A ideas but imo you'd be better making a Sunderland super loop which combines the 2/8 together instead, with expresses running inbetween resulting in this.
1/1A (Sunderland Loop): Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Rickleton - Ayton - Washington - HMRC - Castletown - Southwark - Sunderland
X2: Washington - Fatfield - Penshaw - [LIMITED STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
X2A: Pennywell - [NON STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
39A/B: All terminate at Sunderland
The Washington side as a result would look like this
(1/1A - Purple, 8 - Green, X2 - Pink, 50 - Blue)
and the Sunderland side looking like this:
(1/1A - Purple, X2/X2A - Pink, 35/35A - Yellow, 16 - Green, Combined - Black)
It would clean up both sides imo, with the 1/1A/16/35 all working together to give a 7.5 minute service (16 dropped in frequency) at the Sunderland side and a much much cleaner service in Washington with the 50 sped up and no real lost links on the 8 as they're mostly covered by the 78 anyway. We might aswell assume it's all franchising soon pretty much.
It's bonkers there's no bus service between Washington and the Stadium of Light, this would now cover it and a new express service with the X2 between Washington and Sunderland. There's way too many stopping buses along Chester Road currently. 7.5 mins is more than enough, with the 78 and 8 (SNE) running there aswell.
(14 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm)Storx Been watching these 2/2A ideas but imo you'd be better making a Sunderland super loop which combines the 2/8 together instead, with expresses running inbetween resulting in this.
1/1A (Sunderland Loop): Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Rickleton - Ayton - Washington - HMRC - Castletown - Southwark - Sunderland
X2: Washington - Fatfield - Penshaw - [LIMITED STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
X2A: Pennywell - [NON STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
39A/B: All terminate at Sunderland
The Washington side as a result would look like this
(1/1A - Purple, 8 - Green, X2 - Pink, 50 - Blue)
and the Sunderland side looking like this:
(1/1A - Purple, X2/X2A - Pink, 35/35A - Yellow, 16 - Green, Combined - Black)
It would clean up both sides imo, with the 1/1A/16/35 all working together to give a 7.5 minute service (16 dropped in frequency) at the Sunderland side and a much much cleaner service in Washington with the 50 sped up and no real lost links on the 8 as they're mostly covered by the 78 anyway. We might aswell assume it's all franchising soon pretty much.
It's bonkers there's no bus service between Washington and the Stadium of Light, this would now cover it and a new express service with the X2 between Washington and Sunderland. There's way too many stopping buses along Chester Road currently. 7.5 mins is more than enough, with the 78 and 8 (SNE) running there aswell.
(14 Apr 2024, 1:21 pm)Storx Been watching these 2/2A ideas but imo you'd be better making a Sunderland super loop which combines the 2/8 together instead, with expresses running inbetween resulting in this.
1/1A (Sunderland Loop): Sunderland - Royal Hospital - Penshaw - Rickleton - Ayton - Washington - HMRC - Castletown - Southwark - Sunderland
X2: Washington - Fatfield - Penshaw - [LIMITED STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
X2A: Pennywell - [NON STOP] - Royal Hospital - [LIMITED STOP] - Sunderland - Silksworth
39A/B: All terminate at Sunderland
The Washington side as a result would look like this
(1/1A - Purple, 8 - Green, X2 - Pink, 50 - Blue)
and the Sunderland side looking like this:
(1/1A - Purple, X2/X2A - Pink, 35/35A - Yellow, 16 - Green, Combined - Black)
It would clean up both sides imo, with the 1/1A/16/35 all working together to give a 7.5 minute service (16 dropped in frequency) at the Sunderland side and a much much cleaner service in Washington with the 50 sped up and no real lost links on the 8 as they're mostly covered by the 78 anyway. We might aswell assume it's all franchising soon pretty much.
It's bonkers there's no bus service between Washington and the Stadium of Light, this would now cover it and a new express service with the X2 between Washington and Sunderland. There's way too many stopping buses along Chester Road currently. 7.5 mins is more than enough, with the 78 and 8 (SNE) running there aswell.
(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.It was. The 773/774 was later shortened to the 73/74 of which the 73 remained until its withdrawal reletively recently.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.
(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.It was. The 773/774 was later shortened to the 73/74 of which the 73 remained until its withdrawal reletively recently.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.
(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.
(14 Apr 2024, 2:24 pm)Andreos1 They did something similar between getting rid of the X4, 185, 186 & 638 and introducing the 2.
Was only short lived mind. I think it was numbered something like the 773 and 774.
(14 Apr 2024, 7:01 pm)Storx Must admit, can't remember that one. Remember the 8 going along Chester Road though, and the 73 I believe which covered that before as mentioned after.
The 8 is just a bizarre route to me, just a long route with arguably very little people wanting to cross Washington as there's alternative services doing the same areas (50 or 78) and not an awful lot along the route. It might've been decent service to get the ship workers to the docks but that boat last sailed over 30 year ago.
Feels like it's a service which is being ran for reasons beyond money at the Eastern side, ie GNE don't want competition between Washington / Castletown and Sunderland.
(14 Apr 2024, 7:01 pm)Storx Must admit, can't remember that one. Remember the 8 going along Chester Road though, and the 73 I believe which covered that before as mentioned after.
The 8 is just a bizarre route to me, just a long route with arguably very little people wanting to cross Washington as there's alternative services doing the same areas (50 or 78) and not an awful lot along the route. It might've been decent service to get the ship workers to the docks but that boat last sailed over 30 year ago.
Feels like it's a service which is being ran for reasons beyond money at the Eastern side, ie GNE don't want competition between Washington / Castletown and Sunderland.
(14 Apr 2024, 7:50 pm)Andreos1 Yeah, they renumbered it after a year or so to the 73 and 74.
Then not long after that, it became the 2 and they axed the northern part of the route.
The original numbering presumably designed to work alongside the 775, 777 etc.
One of my biggest issues with the 8 and 50, is that they're timed to basically follow each other from Chester towards Washington AND from Washington towards Chester.
An entire hour to play with and they decide to run them together.
It's been like that for years and I can't see them changing it now.
(14 Apr 2024, 7:50 pm)Andreos1 Yeah, they renumbered it after a year or so to the 73 and 74.
Then not long after that, it became the 2 and they axed the northern part of the route.
The original numbering presumably designed to work alongside the 775, 777 etc.
One of my biggest issues with the 8 and 50, is that they're timed to basically follow each other from Chester towards Washington AND from Washington towards Chester.
An entire hour to play with and they decide to run them together.
It's been like that for years and I can't see them changing it now.
See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)
*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*
1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map
(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...What about the South Shields 5/5A?, suppose it could be renumbered 14/14A, and renumber the 26 to 15, and would your 6 effectively be reinstating the 43/44?
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)
*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*
1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
- Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre
6 Newcastle → Durham Map
- New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre
- Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
- New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle
- Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
- New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe
- New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park
X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
- New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.
- Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
- New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)
48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
- New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton
51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
- New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)
52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
- New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley
57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
- Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)
58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
- New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park
- Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.
X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
- Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)
Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.
(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...What about the South Shields 5/5A?, suppose it could be renumbered 14/14A, and renumber the 26 to 15, and would your 6 effectively be reinstating the 43/44?
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)
*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*
1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
- Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre
6 Newcastle → Durham Map
- New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre
- Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
- New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle
- Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
- New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe
- New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park
X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
- New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.
- Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
- New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)
48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
- New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton
51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
- New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)
52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
- New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley
57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
- Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)
58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
- New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park
- Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.
X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
- Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)
Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.
(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)
*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*
1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
- Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre
6 Newcastle → Durham Map
- New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre
- Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
- New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle
- Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
- New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe
- New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park
X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
- New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.
- Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
- New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)
48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
- New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton
51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
- New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)
52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
- New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley
57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
- Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)
58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
- New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park
- Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.
X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
- Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)
Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.
(26 Apr 2024, 12:44 am)logidoodah See how I would change the Gateshead services to actually connect to places other than just Newcastle or Gateshead Interchange...
(if a service is not mentioned then it has not been touched - such as 21 & 27 etc...)
*My apologies for the photo quality, I have no idea how it became blurry...and when I try to remove the photos from the post it crashes*
1 Metrocentre → Whitley Bay Map5/5A Newcastle → Annfield Plain/Fines Park Map Map
- Quicker Cross-Tyne journeys to the Metrocentre
6 Newcastle → Durham Map
- New Connections from Annfield Plain to Metrocentre
- Combined frequencies 5/5A every 30 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
10/A/B Newcastle → Hexham/Prudhoe Map & Map
- New Connections from Whickham to Durham & Sacriston to Newcastle
- Combined frequencies with 6/16 to every 15 mins & 5/5A/6 every 15 mins
28/A/29 Newcastle → Chester-Le-St [20] Map Map Map
- New Connections from Rockwood Hill & Prudhoe
- New through travel on 10A/10B allowing one journey to/from Tyne Retail Park
X30/X31 Newcastle → Stanley [30]
- New Connections from Birtley, Increased combined freq.
- Combined Frequency of 10 mins with 56, until QE Hospital
45/46 Newcastle → Consett Delves [20]47 Newcastle → Blackhall Mill/Consett [30]
- New Connections from Delves to Newcastle & Metrocentre (45-46-45)
48/49 Heworth → Blackhall Mill/Winlaton [20]
- New Connections Consett to Blaydon/Winlaton
51 Gateshead | Heworth | Amazon | Wrekenton | Low Fell | Gateshead [20]
- New connections West/East Gateshead to Metrocentre & Team Valley (49-48-49)
52 Gateshead | Low Fell | Wrekenton | Amazon | Heworth | Gateshead [20]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
53 Newcastle | Quayside | Gateshead | Saltwell Park | Newcastle [15]
- New Connections from across Gateshead to Amazon
54 Newcastle | Saltwell Park | Gateshead | Quayside | Newcastle [15]
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
55 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] Map (Interworks with 56)
- No Change just allocation of Q3 voltras instead
56 Newcastle → Sunderland [20] (Interworks with 55)
- New Connections from Sunderland, Concord & Gateshead to Team Valley
57 Winlaton → Wardley [20] Map A | Map B
- Reduced freq to enable increased combined freq [every 10 mins] Newcastle to Wrekenton (28/28A/29/56) & Wrekenton to Sunderland (55/56)
58 Newcastle → Heworth [20]
- New cross city connections between East/West Gateshead & Newcastle Business Park
- Increased Frequency to accommodate route changes.
X71 Newcastle → Castleside (Interworks with X5/X15)
- Reduction in frequency to enable increased combined freq and route changes
97 Newcastle → Metrocentre Asda [20] (as it was for years)
Withdrawn/Changed Routes;
X72 - 5/5A/48 route replacement
16A - now 6 extension
686 - would need significantly changing (10A/10B)
34 - northern section of route either cut or changed
X45/47 - Changed into 45/46 & 47 extended once an hour to Consett
49/49A - new 47/48/49 routes encompass this route.
93/94 - rerouted 51/52 covers northern part of route. New 48/49 routes cover southern part.
96 - covered by new 48/49
51/52 - route changes now covered by rerouted 57/58
29/25 - route variation for 29 and new 55 covers northern section of route
12/57 - 12 now numbered 57 and connects to gateshead. 57 rerouted.
58 - new route
1 - route changed to run via Dunston, Western part of route covered by 97.
(26 Apr 2024, 8:25 pm)Unber43 If youre removing the 16/16A I would increase the X5/X15 to every 20 mins
(26 Apr 2024, 8:25 pm)Unber43 If youre removing the 16/16A I would increase the X5/X15 to every 20 mins
And you see ladies and gentlemen
A classic example on why bus services fail
Too many changes instead of tweaks
Renumbered services is criminal
It doesn't benefit anyone except the office desk the infrequent passenger will be so confused you lose confidence
(26 Apr 2024, 10:04 pm)DaveFromUpNorth And you see ladies and gentlemen
A classic example on why bus services fail
Too many changes instead of tweaks
Renumbered services is criminal
It doesn't benefit anyone except the office desk the infrequent passenger will be so confused you lose confidence
(26 Apr 2024, 10:04 pm)DaveFromUpNorth And you see ladies and gentlemen
A classic example on why bus services fail
Too many changes instead of tweaks
Renumbered services is criminal
It doesn't benefit anyone except the office desk the infrequent passenger will be so confused you lose confidence
Complaint already sent into GNE, but daytime 309's need to be put back via Selby/Malton Gardens if another bus isn't added to the PVR. Timekeeping can't cope with High Farm given how built up it is and that's on top of ever increasing congestion around The Coast and Preston Grange.
At least any time saved could be re-invested along the spots mentioned above.
Sunday service is almost unpredictable too!
Question is would it be financially be better for GNE to pay for an extra bus & driver increasing the PVR to 9x (6x on Sundays) given the 10/15 minute frequency with the 307? Or would GNE be better missing High Farm and keeping a PVR of 8x, but losing potential revenue via High Farm and running 5 minutes behind the 306?
Personally I would introduce the X39 to operate through the day and make it an express route
Newcastle Haymarket - five Swans - corner House then express to bottom of station road (coast road stop of Wiltshire drive) then all stops in Battlehill Drive to Cobalt then change the service to 309 and all stops to Bylth
If a service is running late it can operate as a X39 to Battlehill and pick up time.
This would then stop the need to go up and down every ramp and get stuck at every light possible.
(21 May 2024, 2:03 am)DaveFromUpNorth Personally I would introduce the X39 to operate through the day and make it an express route
Newcastle Haymarket - five Swans - corner House then express to bottom of station road (coast road stop of Wiltshire drive) then all stops in Battlehill Drive to Cobalt then change the service to 309 and all stops to Bylth
If a service is running late it can operate as a X39 to Battlehill and pick up time.
This would then stop the need to go up and down every ramp and get stuck at every light possible.
(21 May 2024, 2:03 am)DaveFromUpNorth Personally I would introduce the X39 to operate through the day and make it an express route
Newcastle Haymarket - five Swans - corner House then express to bottom of station road (coast road stop of Wiltshire drive) then all stops in Battlehill Drive to Cobalt then change the service to 309 and all stops to Bylth
If a service is running late it can operate as a X39 to Battlehill and pick up time.
This would then stop the need to go up and down every ramp and get stuck at every light possible.
(21 May 2024, 7:10 am)Storx Personally I'd up that X39 to every 15 minutes and extend it to Blyth splitting via the 308/309 route in Blyth both every 30 minutes, additionally serving The Silverlink to give Silverlink links and the two bus stops on the Coast Road (no real added time) but at the same time curtail the 308 at Whitley Bay with it going via Battle Hill, you could maybe even link it together with the 306 and create a loop - even maybe via Monkseaton and reinvent the 325/326 in some form which were popular routes at one point.Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010
There's absolutely no need for 6 buses between Whitley Bay and Blyth, it's complete overkill and a waste of resources especially with the traffic issues around the Spanish City adding delays.
ie.
306/308 - Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Jolly Bowman, Every 20 Minutes NT Loop.
X38/X39 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle to Cobalt (Direct), Whitley Bay and Blyth
307 - Every 20 Minutes, Serving all the nooks and crannies, Hadrian Park; Mullen Road etc.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01269...?entry=ttu - Visualisation of the loop for those who can't picture it (modified the 306 to do a bit of the 307).
It's basically how the 43/44/45/X10/X11 work between Newcastle and Cramlington via Gosforth.
Obviously it'll only work once franchising comes in though because of the operator differences.
(21 May 2024, 7:10 am)Storx Personally I'd up that X39 to every 15 minutes and extend it to Blyth splitting via the 308/309 route in Blyth both every 30 minutes, additionally serving The Silverlink to give Silverlink links and the two bus stops on the Coast Road (no real added time) but at the same time curtail the 308 at Whitley Bay with it going via Battle Hill, you could maybe even link it together with the 306 and create a loop - even maybe via Monkseaton and reinvent the 325/326 in some form which were popular routes at one point.Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010
There's absolutely no need for 6 buses between Whitley Bay and Blyth, it's complete overkill and a waste of resources especially with the traffic issues around the Spanish City adding delays.
ie.
306/308 - Every 10 Minutes, Newcastle to Jolly Bowman, Every 20 Minutes NT Loop.
X38/X39 - Every 15 Minutes, Newcastle to Cobalt (Direct), Whitley Bay and Blyth
307 - Every 20 Minutes, Serving all the nooks and crannies, Hadrian Park; Mullen Road etc.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/55.01269...?entry=ttu - Visualisation of the loop for those who can't picture it (modified the 306 to do a bit of the 307).
It's basically how the 43/44/45/X10/X11 work between Newcastle and Cramlington via Gosforth.
Obviously it'll only work once franchising comes in though because of the operator differences.
(21 May 2024, 8:44 am)ian foster Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010
(21 May 2024, 8:44 am)ian foster Keep the 308 out of battle hill. too many buses serve this tedious route anyway. bring back the 44 to Whitley Bay as it was until 2010
The 308 doesnt go into Battle Hill, it go's along the Coast Road, pre 2010, the 309 used to go along the Coast Road aswell, as Battle Hill had the 75/76, but when they were ditched, the decision was made to have the 309 accompany the 310 through Battle Hill as replacements, personally i'd do something with the X39 since it only runs at peaks i would also revise the 309 to miss out Battle Hill