(15 May 2024, 11:15 am)Aaron21 wrote I'd say 308 to Stagecoach and run the 306 standalone

To be honest, the 306 wouldn't be a bad little operation for Stagecoach but I doubt Arriva would give them up anytime soon unless forced by Kim!

(15 May 2024, 4:56 pm)L469 YVK wrote To be honest, the 306 wouldn't be a bad little operation for Stagecoach but I doubt Arriva would give them up anytime soon unless forced by Kim!

Up until 1981 it was jointly operated by Northern and Tyne & Wear P.T.E (stagecoach's Predecessor)

BBC spin on the X12 proposals
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy63...bd9t9ZXdeX

(16 May 2024, 8:41 am)ian foster wrote Up until 1981 it was jointly operated by Northern and Tyne & Wear P.T.E (stagecoach's Predecessor)

Didnt GNE and Arriva also share it at some point?

(16 May 2024, 11:16 am)V514DFT wrote Didnt GNE and Arriva also share it at some point?

that was 308

(16 May 2024, 12:27 pm)Rob44 wrote that was 308

Apologies, having looked back i realise they are talking about the 306

PB0002717/615 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Guisborough To: Danby Via: Name or No.: M3 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

PB0002717/616 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Saltburn To: Guisborough Via: Name or No.: M4 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New ServiceNew Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

PB0002717/617 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Guisborough To: Stokesley Via: Name or No.: M4 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

PB0002717/618 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Stokesley To: Helmsley Via: Name or No.: M4 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

PB0002717/619 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Helmsley To: Sutton Bank Via: Name or No.: M4 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

PB0002717/620 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Stockton To: Stokesley Via: Name or No.: M5 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate from 30th June to 27th October 2024.

PB0002717/621 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Stokesley To: Northallerton Via: Name or No.: M5 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

PB0002717/622 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Northallerton To: Thirsk Via: Name or No.: M5 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

PB0002717/623 ARRIVA DURHAM COUNTY LTD, 1 ADMIRAL WAY, DOXFORD INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS PARK, SUNDERLAND, SR3 3XP From: Thirsk To: Helmsley Via: Name or No.: M5 Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 30 June 2024 End date: 27 October 2024 Other details: New Service to operate between 30th June and 27th October 2024

Both the 308 & 777 have a timetable change for July

308 says Revised Route and Timetable due to completion of roadworks

777 says revised timetable

(03 Jun 2024, 7:14 am)Aaron21 wrote Both the 308 & 777 have a timetable change for July

308 says Revised Route and Timetable due to completion of roadworks

777 says revised timetable

The 308(306) will be the work in Tynemouth at Grand Parade.

(03 Jun 2024, 8:12 am)Storx wrote The 308(306) will be the work in Tynemouth at Grand Parade.

Be the rerouting up Percy Park Road as Sea Banks Road is now a 1 way system

Wonder if the 777 is to remove the need for interworking.

(03 Jun 2024, 2:34 pm)Rapidsnap wrote Wonder if the 777 is to remove the need for interworking.

That would increase the PVR by 1 at a time where Ashington are struggling enough as it is, so I can't see it happening at present.

Looks like the route change on service 24 is at the Hartlepool end , with the 24 still going via Hartlepool hospital but route direction other way round

July 21st changes from North Yorkshire Council's website:

28/28A - minor timing changes
X26 - no longer serving Catterick Village

I'm sure Michael will be along shortly to post this with the correct formatting and full details, but some interesting Arriva Northumbria registrations have appeared on the DVSA (all for September unless stated otherwise):

4X16: Wooler to Kelso (via Morpeth, Longframlington, Wooler)
3X16: Longframlington to Wooler (via Morpeth, Longframlington, Wooler)
2X16: Morpeth to Longframlington (via Morpeth, Longframlington, Wooler)

392: Marden Estate to HMRC Benton Park View (via Wallsend)

678: Hadrian Lodge to St Thomas More Academy

664: Burnside College to Wallsend (via Battle Hill)

Also variations to:

35 - Effective from 21st July ending on 31st August
44
777
1X16 (assume linked to Wooler/Kelso registration)
X21 - As 35
654
X30
693
306/308
699


And cancellations to:
47
116
656
105
553

Assume the X16 change is BSIP funded, and will see the interworking end with the 777. 

I can't see any registration from GNE or Stagecoach which replaces the 47 or 553, maybe the 44 variation will cover the 47? That said, Stannington has disappeared from the 44 registration so maybe that's gone the distance.

(19 Jul 2024, 11:06 pm)PH - BQA wrote I'm sure Michael will be along shortly to post this with the correct formatting and full details, but some interesting Arriva Northumbria registrations have appeared on the DVSA (all for September unless stated otherwise):

4X16: Wooler to Kelso (via Morpeth, Longframlington, Wooler)
3X16: Longframlington to Wooler (via Morpeth, Longframlington, Wooler)
2X16: Morpeth to Longframlington (via Morpeth, Longframlington, Wooler)

392: Marden Estate to HMRC Benton Park View (via Wallsend)

678: Hadrian Lodge to St Thomas More Academy

664: Burnside College to Wallsend (via Battle Hill)

Also variations to:

35 - Effective from 21st July ending on 31st August
44
777
1X16 (assume linked to Wooler/Kelso registration)
X21 - As 35
654
X30
693
306/308
699


And cancellations to:
47
116
656
105
553

Assume the X16 change is BSIP funded, and will see the interworking end with the 777. 

I can't see any registration from GNE or Stagecoach which replaces the 47 or 553, maybe the 44 variation will cover the 47? That said, Stannington has disappeared from the 44 registration so maybe that's gone the distance.

That X16 is certainly an interesting one. 

First ANE service to Scotland too?

(20 Jul 2024, 8:22 am)Andreos1 wrote That X16 is certainly an interesting one. 

First ANE service to Scotland too?

Arriva used to operate into Jedburgh from Wooler in the early days, think it was linked to the food factory in the area at the time.

Good to see Arriva have got the 392.

X16 Newcastle - Morpeth - Longframlington - Wooler - Kelso is an interesting one.

Surprised to see the 47 and 553 cancelled. The 47 especially as it was due to get an electric bus. Curious to know if the 653 will be cancelled as well or could be extended to run the full route like the 553 did before. Presumably something will cover the 47 route, it already interworks with the 43/44/45 so might be renumbered and merged into the 44 or 45.

(20 Jul 2024, 8:31 am)NMS26222 wrote Arriva used to operate into Jedburgh from Wooler in the early days, think it was linked to the food factory in the area at the time.

As a workers service?
Genuinely didn't know about that route. 
Would be interesting to see the timetable.

(20 Jul 2024, 8:22 am)Andreos1 wrote That X16 is certainly an interesting one. 

First ANE service to Scotland too?

710 possibly? Unsure how it's funded as the freedom request only mentions the Saturday run, not the Wednesday one, but when you already have a bus service doing a chunk of the route it gives you a chance to undercut Glen Valley. Be a shame though as they've had it for years.

(20 Jul 2024, 10:16 am)Storx wrote 710 possibly? Unsure how it's funded as the freedom request only mentions the Saturday run, not the Wednesday one, but when you already have a bus service doing a chunk of the route it gives you a chance to undercut Glen Valley. Be a shame though as they've had it for years.

I think we all know BSIP hasn't been used as it could be, but I'd hope the two were to run in sync and complement each other - or at the very least, offer a slight alternative/variation.

The current 710 timetable doesn't really lend itself to the ANE network unless there's some dead running at the Kelso end.

(20 Jul 2024, 2:17 pm)Andreos1 wrote I think we all know BSIP hasn't been used as it could be, but I'd hope the two were to run in sync and complement each other - or at the very least, offer a slight alternative/variation.

The current 710 timetable doesn't really lend itself to the ANE network unless there's some dead running at the Kelso end.

Why do you say that BSIP hasn't been used as it could be? We'd have never seen services like the 777 without it! I suspect the X16 will be a replacement for the 710, but we'll have to wait and see.

(20 Jul 2024, 4:43 pm)whg1070 wrote Why do you say that BSIP hasn't been used as it could be? We'd have never seen services like the 777 without it! I suspect the X16 will be a replacement for the 710, but we'll have to wait and see.

Mainly in T&W.
The Derwentside to Newcastle services and the 20A being two examples off the top of my head, where older routes were re-introduced.
Rather than new services, like the airport 777.

(20 Jul 2024, 5:38 pm)Andreos1 wrote Mainly in T&W.
The Derwentside to Newcastle services and the 20A being two examples off the top of my head, where older routes were re-introduced.
Rather than new services, like the airport 777.

Northumberland County Council seem to have been much better at using their funding, with improved evening and Sunday services, new/extended routes, and improved frequencies on corridors which could grow.

(20 Jul 2024, 5:54 pm)PH - BQA wrote Northumberland County Council seem to have been much better at using their funding, with improved evening and Sunday services, new/extended routes, and improved frequencies on corridors which could grow.

From the outside in, it certainly appears that way. 
Whereas in T&W, there's the two examples mentioned above and the Tyne Bridge P&R site...

So the 44 could be Dinnington - Hazlerogg - Wideopen (Great North Road) - Gosforth - West Jesmond (Great North Road) - Haymarket - Newcastle General Hospital from September? Would this mean a weekend service on the current 47 route?

I'm convinced something must be replacing the 553. Maybe the 44 as well?

Any idea of frequency, timetable or journey times on the X16?

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So the 44 could be Dinnington - Hazlerigg - Wideopen (Great North Road) - Gosforth - West Jesmond (Great North Road) - Haymarket - Newcastle General Hospital from September? Would this mean a weekend service on the current 47 route?

I'm convinced something must be replacing the 553. Maybe the 44 as well?

Any idea of frequency, timetable or journey times on the X16?

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So the 44 could be Dinnington - Hazlerigg - Wideopen (Great North Road) - Gosforth - West Jesmond (Great North Road) - Haymarket - Newcastle General Hospital from September? Would this mean a weekend service on the current 47 route?

I'm convinced something must be replacing the 553. Maybe the 44 as well?

Any idea of frequency, timetable or journey times on the X16?

When I was working at the Freeman, I'm sure I remember hearing that Arriva only had the contract for the 553 for another year. If that's the case, then it would make sense that maybe Arriva won't be running it from September if either they've decided to walk away, or the Hospital Trust has found a cheaper option.

I think it could be possible that they might look to tag the 47 onto the end of the 44 route. Supposedly they need to make sure the new electric buses are on the routes they were funded for, so that would make sense if they have to make changes to boards for that. I think there is 0% chance the 44 will be rerouted to take on the 553 route though.

(20 Jul 2024, 8:46 pm)Shrek wrote When I was working at the Freeman, I'm sure I remember hearing that Arriva only had the contract for the 553 for another year. If that's the case, then it would make sense that maybe Arriva won't be running it from September if either they've decided to walk away, or the Hospital Trust has found a cheaper option.

I think it could be possible that they might look to tag the 47 onto the end of the 44 route. Supposedly they need to make sure the new electric buses are on the routes they were funded for, so that would make sense if they have to make changes to boards for that. I think there is 0% chance the 44 will be rerouted to take on the 553 route though.

Ah, okay. Thanks for that. So the NHS 553 branded Pulsar 1499 will be repainted into Journey Mark? Presumably the 553 route will continue to exist, possibly as the 653. 

I thought Arriva had already sorted out the 43/44/45/47 interworking pattern for the new electric buses to go on those boards when they arrive. Been interworking for a while. Just merge the 44/47 routes so the 44 will run between Newcastle General Hospital and Dinnington? 43 and 45 will interwork with the 44 still? New BZLs for this group of services? Coming Spring next year?

(20 Jul 2024, 8:46 pm)Shrek wrote When I was working at the Freeman, I'm sure I remember hearing that Arriva only had the contract for the 553 for another year. If that's the case, then it would make sense that maybe Arriva won't be running it from September if either they've decided to walk away, or the Hospital Trust has found a cheaper option.

I think it could be possible that they might look to tag the 47 onto the end of the 44 route. Supposedly they need to make sure the new electric buses are on the routes they were funded for, so that would make sense if they have to make changes to boards for that. I think there is 0% chance the 44 will be rerouted to take on the 553 route though.

Personally I can't see the 44 and 47 being merged as it would completely break the interworking pattern at Haymarket.

Remember it's:
43 -> 44 -> 45 -> 43 or 43 -> 45 -> 44 -> 43

Doing:
43 -> 45 -> 44 -> 44 -> 45 -> 43 -> 43 -> 43, just wouldn't work at all.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see the H and 47 merged personally, not sure the Haymarket links are really needed when there's the 36 doing the link. The H badly needs a frequency upgrade through the core though.

(20 Jul 2024, 9:01 pm)Storx wrote Personally I can't see the 44 and 47 being merged as it would completely break the interworking pattern at Haymarket.

Remember it's:
43 -> 44 -> 45 -> 43 or 43 -> 45 -> 44 -> 43

Doing:
43 -> 45 -> 44 -> 44 -> 45 -> 43 -> 43 -> 43, just wouldn't work at all.

Personally I wouldn't be surprised to see the H and 47 merged personally, not sure the Haymarket links are really needed when there's the 36 doing the link. The H badly needs a frequency upgrade through the core though.

But the H is for NHS staff only, so does that mean the merged H/47 would be NHS staff only? 

Given Arriva have purchased a new bus for the 47, I assume they are still operating it? 

Any route or timetable changes on the 392?