AVL / Real Time Information
AVL / Real Time Information
(26 Jul 2014, 8:39 am)Dan Good job other hardware can be used to ensure that all vehicles can be traced! We've already discussed Arriva's system for real time information being less than ideal - Go North East won't have this problem.
(26 Jul 2014, 8:39 am)Dan Good job other hardware can be used to ensure that all vehicles can be traced! We've already discussed Arriva's system for real time information being less than ideal - Go North East won't have this problem.
(26 Jul 2014, 8:35 am)palatine3833 they certainly have a few benefits over the ERG model which GNE have (including GPS that works)
(26 Jul 2014, 8:35 am)palatine3833 they certainly have a few benefits over the ERG model which GNE have (including GPS that works)
(26 Jul 2014, 9:24 am)aureolin I'll be quite interested to see it in action. It's bound to be an improvement on the Siemens AVL system they purchased...
A criticism I have of the Arriva live map is that when a vehicle (presumably) loses data signal, which happens a lot in rural Durham, it disappears from the map completely. It should display an estimated location with a different icon colour instead, until it picks data signal back up. I also think the live map should indicate zone boundaries, and I'd hope GNE's solution would say shade different parts of the map different colours, depending on the Buzzfare zone.
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(26 Jul 2014, 9:24 am)aureolin I'll be quite interested to see it in action. It's bound to be an improvement on the Siemens AVL system they purchased...
A criticism I have of the Arriva live map is that when a vehicle (presumably) loses data signal, which happens a lot in rural Durham, it disappears from the map completely. It should display an estimated location with a different icon colour instead, until it picks data signal back up. I also think the live map should indicate zone boundaries, and I'd hope GNE's solution would say shade different parts of the map different colours, depending on the Buzzfare zone.
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(26 Jul 2014, 9:35 am)tyresmoke The Arriva map can do this, indeed I've just been looking at mine and the buses that are not being tracked (for whatever reason) are displaying an estimated location with a grey icon instead of green.
(26 Jul 2014, 9:35 am)tyresmoke The Arriva map can do this, indeed I've just been looking at mine and the buses that are not being tracked (for whatever reason) are displaying an estimated location with a grey icon instead of green.
(26 Jul 2014, 9:35 am)tyresmoke The Arriva map can do this, indeed I've just been looking at mine and the buses that are not being tracked (for whatever reason) are displaying an estimated location with a grey icon instead of green.
(26 Jul 2014, 9:35 am)tyresmoke The Arriva map can do this, indeed I've just been looking at mine and the buses that are not being tracked (for whatever reason) are displaying an estimated location with a grey icon instead of green.
(26 Jul 2014, 9:35 am)tyresmoke The Arriva map can do this, indeed I've just been looking at mine and the buses that are not being tracked (for whatever reason) are displaying an estimated location with a grey icon instead of green.
(26 Jul 2014, 9:35 am)tyresmoke The Arriva map can do this, indeed I've just been looking at mine and the buses that are not being tracked (for whatever reason) are displaying an estimated location with a grey icon instead of green.
(26 Jul 2014, 9:44 am)tyresmoke Yeah it'll be from the timetabled times.
(26 Jul 2014, 9:45 am)Dan I hadn't realised that.
So if it's running 20 minutes late when it is being tracked, loses signal, does the grey blob suggest it's on time and jumps to where it would be if it wasn't 20 minutes late?
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(26 Jul 2014, 9:45 am)Dan I hadn't realised that.
So if it's running 20 minutes late when it is being tracked, loses signal, does the grey blob suggest it's on time and jumps to where it would be if it wasn't 20 minutes late?
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(26 Jul 2014, 9:46 am)tyresmoke Yeah though it doesn't suggest it is on time, just displays "this bus isn't currently being tracked"
(26 Jul 2014, 9:46 am)tyresmoke Yeah though it doesn't suggest it is on time, just displays "this bus isn't currently being tracked"
(26 Jul 2014, 9:51 am)Dan FAO citaro5284 - if, for whatever reason, GNE's buses lose signal when they have this technology, will it be estimated rather than just go off the timetable?
(26 Jul 2014, 9:51 am)Dan FAO citaro5284 - if, for whatever reason, GNE's buses lose signal when they have this technology, will it be estimated rather than just go off the timetable?
(26 Jul 2014, 9:59 am)citaro5284 I have seen a demo of it and Vix have suggested that their system estimates based on last point rather than just going to a timetable location. I think the main difference is the Vix system uses the vehicles running board rather than trip numbers alone, so an example is if a bus is running 10 minutes late into a terminus and it is changing route/trip number, and the running board says he has 10 mins layover, the system will then say he is going to depart on time, however if running 12 late, it will say he is departing 2L.
I think the Arriva system just looks at trip numbers only, so until a driver keys in a new journey number, it assumes the vehicle is on time. And of course you should never assume as it makes an ass out of u and me
(26 Jul 2014, 9:59 am)citaro5284 I have seen a demo of it and Vix have suggested that their system estimates based on last point rather than just going to a timetable location. I think the main difference is the Vix system uses the vehicles running board rather than trip numbers alone, so an example is if a bus is running 10 minutes late into a terminus and it is changing route/trip number, and the running board says he has 10 mins layover, the system will then say he is going to depart on time, however if running 12 late, it will say he is departing 2L.
I think the Arriva system just looks at trip numbers only, so until a driver keys in a new journey number, it assumes the vehicle is on time. And of course you should never assume as it makes an ass out of u and me
(26 Jul 2014, 11:42 am)VolvoMarkII The Arriva system does work on the bus board, so it should provide delay information for subsequent journeys when using the planner - even if the trip hasn't commenced yet, but the bus that is due to operate it is somewhere near to completing the trip before hand.
Not sure if it calculates delay with layover offset though.
(26 Jul 2014, 11:42 am)VolvoMarkII The Arriva system does work on the bus board, so it should provide delay information for subsequent journeys when using the planner - even if the trip hasn't commenced yet, but the bus that is due to operate it is somewhere near to completing the trip before hand.
Not sure if it calculates delay with layover offset though.
(26 Jul 2014, 11:42 am)VolvoMarkII The Arriva system does work on the bus board, so it should provide delay information for subsequent journeys when using the planner - even if the trip hasn't commenced yet, but the bus that is due to operate it is somewhere near to completing the trip before hand.
Not sure if it calculates delay with layover offset though.
(26 Jul 2014, 11:42 am)VolvoMarkII The Arriva system does work on the bus board, so it should provide delay information for subsequent journeys when using the planner - even if the trip hasn't commenced yet, but the bus that is due to operate it is somewhere near to completing the trip before hand.
Not sure if it calculates delay with layover offset though.
(26 Jul 2014, 12:40 pm)aureolin It doesn't though? There's a 24 on the map at present that's showing 20 minutes late heading into Durham. It'll be the one that was due in at 1317. That's meant to go back out at 1322, but it's not showing on the map? Inactive or otherwise?
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(26 Jul 2014, 12:40 pm)aureolin It doesn't though? There's a 24 on the map at present that's showing 20 minutes late heading into Durham. It'll be the one that was due in at 1317. That's meant to go back out at 1322, but it's not showing on the map? Inactive or otherwise?
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Ive gived up using the Arriva live map App.
Since their last updated the App, the bus icon only moves when the App updates every 1 or 2 minutes ish, which is not real time. sometimes the icon says the bus has just arrived at peterlee bus station and next thing I know the bus has just gone past my house, Arriva needs to sort it out, before their updated the App you could see the bus icon moving along the road.
(26 Jul 2014, 12:43 pm)tyresmoke The trip planner does show it as going back out late though...
(26 Jul 2014, 12:43 pm)tyresmoke The trip planner does show it as going back out late though...
(26 Jul 2014, 12:48 pm)Dan It will now, given that it's actually on that run..?
(26 Jul 2014, 12:48 pm)Dan It will now, given that it's actually on that run..?