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N391OTY



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30 Jan 2023, 11:13 pm #1
Noticed 5396 and 6168 at Haymarket tonight on services 25 and 311. I'm guessing neither of these are CAZ-compliant, but could be wrong. Other than that, GNE seem to have observed the CAZ pretty well, apart from the Percy Main Omnidekkas on the service 327. Does that service have any dispensation given the luggage capacity requirements ?

I would mark then 9+ out of 10 for compliance today, considerably better than the shambolic performance of the other large operator in the area. No, not Arriva ...
N391OTY
30 Jan 2023, 11:13 pm #1

Noticed 5396 and 6168 at Haymarket tonight on services 25 and 311. I'm guessing neither of these are CAZ-compliant, but could be wrong. Other than that, GNE seem to have observed the CAZ pretty well, apart from the Percy Main Omnidekkas on the service 327. Does that service have any dispensation given the luggage capacity requirements ?

I would mark then 9+ out of 10 for compliance today, considerably better than the shambolic performance of the other large operator in the area. No, not Arriva ...

P814VTY



13
31 Jan 2023, 2:43 am #2
Apparently there's a loophole that companies can still run non compliant vehicles, providing they can either prove they are going to retrofit it to euro 6 or buy a replacement vehicle that is euro 6 within 12 months.
P814VTY
31 Jan 2023, 2:43 am #2

Apparently there's a loophole that companies can still run non compliant vehicles, providing they can either prove they are going to retrofit it to euro 6 or buy a replacement vehicle that is euro 6 within 12 months.

Dan

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18,128
31 Jan 2023, 5:47 am #3
(30 Jan 2023, 11:13 pm)N391OTY Noticed 5396 and 6168 at Haymarket tonight on services 25 and 311. I'm guessing neither of these are CAZ-compliant, but could be wrong. Other than that, GNE seem to have observed the CAZ pretty well, apart from the Percy Main Omnidekkas on the service 327. Does that service have any dispensation given the luggage capacity requirements ?

I would mark then 9+ out of 10 for compliance today, considerably better than the shambolic performance of the other large operator in the area. No, not Arriva ...


GNE was fully CAZ compliant yesterday, including 5396 and 6168.


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Dan
31 Jan 2023, 5:47 am #3

(30 Jan 2023, 11:13 pm)N391OTY Noticed 5396 and 6168 at Haymarket tonight on services 25 and 311. I'm guessing neither of these are CAZ-compliant, but could be wrong. Other than that, GNE seem to have observed the CAZ pretty well, apart from the Percy Main Omnidekkas on the service 327. Does that service have any dispensation given the luggage capacity requirements ?

I would mark then 9+ out of 10 for compliance today, considerably better than the shambolic performance of the other large operator in the area. No, not Arriva ...


GNE was fully CAZ compliant yesterday, including 5396 and 6168.


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31 Jan 2023, 4:56 pm #4
Drove a non-CAZ compliant bus through the city centre earlier and can confirm that I wasn't shot.
omnicity4659
31 Jan 2023, 4:56 pm #4

Drove a non-CAZ compliant bus through the city centre earlier and can confirm that I wasn't shot.

V514DFT



2,258
31 Jan 2023, 8:37 pm #5
I thought 5396 was a Streetlite

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
31 Jan 2023, 8:37 pm #5

I thought 5396 was a Streetlite


Kind Regards
Tez

Dan

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18,128
31 Jan 2023, 8:43 pm #6
(31 Jan 2023, 8:37 pm)V514DFT I thought 5396 was a Streetlite


It is.


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Dan
31 Jan 2023, 8:43 pm #6

(31 Jan 2023, 8:37 pm)V514DFT I thought 5396 was a Streetlite


It is.


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Unber43



3,567
31 Jan 2023, 8:53 pm #7
(31 Jan 2023, 5:47 am)Dan GNE was fully CAZ compliant yesterday, including 5396 and 6168.


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Which Streetlite are being upgraded to Euro 6?
Unber43
31 Jan 2023, 8:53 pm #7

(31 Jan 2023, 5:47 am)Dan GNE was fully CAZ compliant yesterday, including 5396 and 6168.


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Which Streetlite are being upgraded to Euro 6?

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31 Jan 2023, 9:02 pm #8
(31 Jan 2023, 8:53 pm)Unber43 Which Streetlite are being upgraded to Euro 6?


The ones which are showing as exempt on the Government website.


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Dan
31 Jan 2023, 9:02 pm #8

(31 Jan 2023, 8:53 pm)Unber43 Which Streetlite are being upgraded to Euro 6?


The ones which are showing as exempt on the Government website.


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Unber43



3,567
31 Jan 2023, 9:03 pm #9
Anyone have a link?
Unber43
31 Jan 2023, 9:03 pm #9

Anyone have a link?

V514DFT



2,258
01 Feb 2023, 8:52 am #10
(31 Jan 2023, 8:43 pm)Dan It is.


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Is it not Euro 6?

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Tez
V514DFT
01 Feb 2023, 8:52 am #10

(31 Jan 2023, 8:43 pm)Dan It is.


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Is it not Euro 6?


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Tez

missedbus



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01 Feb 2023, 11:35 am #11
(01 Feb 2023, 8:52 am)V514DFT Is it not Euro 6?
The 15 plate batch are Euro 5 as built, however all of the Country Ranger ones at least come up as exempt on the Government CAZ checker, which leads me to believe that they have been registered as upgraded to Euro 6 with a CVRAS approved exhaust system.
The 56-plate Omnidekkas do not come up as exempt in the checker therefore I assume that they are subject to the 12 month local "retrofit or replacement" exemption. If the 18 electrics for the 21 arrive within 12 months, fleet cascades will presumably allow their withdrawal.
missedbus
01 Feb 2023, 11:35 am #11

(01 Feb 2023, 8:52 am)V514DFT Is it not Euro 6?
The 15 plate batch are Euro 5 as built, however all of the Country Ranger ones at least come up as exempt on the Government CAZ checker, which leads me to believe that they have been registered as upgraded to Euro 6 with a CVRAS approved exhaust system.
The 56-plate Omnidekkas do not come up as exempt in the checker therefore I assume that they are subject to the 12 month local "retrofit or replacement" exemption. If the 18 electrics for the 21 arrive within 12 months, fleet cascades will presumably allow their withdrawal.

Storx



4,632
01 Feb 2023, 11:52 am #12
(01 Feb 2023, 11:35 am)missedbus The 15 plate batch are Euro 5 as built, however all of the Country Ranger ones at least come up as exempt on the Government CAZ checker, which leads me to believe that they have been registered as upgraded to Euro 6 with a CVRAS approved exhaust system.
The 56-plate Omnidekkas do not come up as exempt in the checker therefore I assume that they are subject to the 12 month local "retrofit or replacement" exemption. If the 18 electrics for the 21 arrive within 12 months, fleet cascades will presumably allow their withdrawal.

Have a feeling it's more likely the Ex London WVL B9's that'll replace them.
Storx
01 Feb 2023, 11:52 am #12

(01 Feb 2023, 11:35 am)missedbus The 15 plate batch are Euro 5 as built, however all of the Country Ranger ones at least come up as exempt on the Government CAZ checker, which leads me to believe that they have been registered as upgraded to Euro 6 with a CVRAS approved exhaust system.
The 56-plate Omnidekkas do not come up as exempt in the checker therefore I assume that they are subject to the 12 month local "retrofit or replacement" exemption. If the 18 electrics for the 21 arrive within 12 months, fleet cascades will presumably allow their withdrawal.

Have a feeling it's more likely the Ex London WVL B9's that'll replace them.

missedbus



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01 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm #13
(01 Feb 2023, 11:52 am)Storx Have a feeling it's more likely the Ex London WVL B9's that'll replace them.
Fair point, I briefly forgot about the fact that there are still 20+ of those awaiting transfer.
missedbus
01 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm #13

(01 Feb 2023, 11:52 am)Storx Have a feeling it's more likely the Ex London WVL B9's that'll replace them.
Fair point, I briefly forgot about the fact that there are still 20+ of those awaiting transfer.

01 Feb 2023, 5:28 pm #14
(01 Feb 2023, 11:35 am)missedbus The 15 plate batch are Euro 5 as built, however all of the Country Ranger ones at least come up as exempt on the Government CAZ checker, which leads me to believe that they have been registered as upgraded to Euro 6 with a CVRAS approved exhaust system.
The 56-plate Omnidekkas do not come up as exempt in the checker therefore I assume that they are subject to the 12 month local "retrofit or replacement" exemption. If the 18 electrics for the 21 arrive within 12 months, fleet cascades will presumably allow their withdrawal.
Any Vehicle made in 2015 or after that is Euro 5 is exempt, but any vehicle that is Euro 5 but older than 2015 is not exempt.
You'll see this with the 2015 Lites being exempt and the 2013 ones not being exempt. If that makes sense
KingSlayerRBLX
01 Feb 2023, 5:28 pm #14

(01 Feb 2023, 11:35 am)missedbus The 15 plate batch are Euro 5 as built, however all of the Country Ranger ones at least come up as exempt on the Government CAZ checker, which leads me to believe that they have been registered as upgraded to Euro 6 with a CVRAS approved exhaust system.
The 56-plate Omnidekkas do not come up as exempt in the checker therefore I assume that they are subject to the 12 month local "retrofit or replacement" exemption. If the 18 electrics for the 21 arrive within 12 months, fleet cascades will presumably allow their withdrawal.
Any Vehicle made in 2015 or after that is Euro 5 is exempt, but any vehicle that is Euro 5 but older than 2015 is not exempt.
You'll see this with the 2015 Lites being exempt and the 2013 ones not being exempt. If that makes sense

Storx



4,632
01 Feb 2023, 6:49 pm #15
(01 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm)missedbus Fair point, I briefly forgot about the fact that there are still 20+ of those awaiting transfer.

Aye, speaking of them does anyone actually know where they're at. Believe most of them been withdrawn from London now.

(01 Feb 2023, 5:28 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Any Vehicle made in 2015 or after that is Euro 5 is exempt, but any vehicle that is Euro 5 but older than 2015 is not exempt.
You'll see this with the 2015 Lites being exempt and the 2013 ones not being exempt. If that makes sense

The 15/16 plate Streetlite's 100% aren't Euro 6 without mods. It's why they got swapped with the 17 plates at Sunderland in the first place. The checker seems buggy as it says all the Solo's are Euro 6 aswell which they aren't.
Storx
01 Feb 2023, 6:49 pm #15

(01 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm)missedbus Fair point, I briefly forgot about the fact that there are still 20+ of those awaiting transfer.

Aye, speaking of them does anyone actually know where they're at. Believe most of them been withdrawn from London now.

(01 Feb 2023, 5:28 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Any Vehicle made in 2015 or after that is Euro 5 is exempt, but any vehicle that is Euro 5 but older than 2015 is not exempt.
You'll see this with the 2015 Lites being exempt and the 2013 ones not being exempt. If that makes sense

The 15/16 plate Streetlite's 100% aren't Euro 6 without mods. It's why they got swapped with the 17 plates at Sunderland in the first place. The checker seems buggy as it says all the Solo's are Euro 6 aswell which they aren't.

01 Feb 2023, 8:20 pm #16
(01 Feb 2023, 6:49 pm)Storx The 15/16 plate Streetlite's 100% aren't Euro 6 without mods. It's why they got swapped with the 17 plates at Sunderland in the first place. The checker seems buggy as it says all the Solo's are Euro 6 aswell which they aren't.
Yes but the Streetlites are built between 2015 and 2022 same with the Solo SR's so if they were needed in Newcastle they would be fine. I Think GNE only has 1 Euro 6 SR which is 717.
KingSlayerRBLX
01 Feb 2023, 8:20 pm #16

(01 Feb 2023, 6:49 pm)Storx The 15/16 plate Streetlite's 100% aren't Euro 6 without mods. It's why they got swapped with the 17 plates at Sunderland in the first place. The checker seems buggy as it says all the Solo's are Euro 6 aswell which they aren't.
Yes but the Streetlites are built between 2015 and 2022 same with the Solo SR's so if they were needed in Newcastle they would be fine. I Think GNE only has 1 Euro 6 SR which is 717.

Unber43



3,567
01 Feb 2023, 8:48 pm #17
(01 Feb 2023, 8:20 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Yes but the Streetlites are built between 2015 and 2022 same with the Solo SR's so if they were needed in Newcastle they would be fine. I Think GNE only has 1 Euro 6 SR which is 717.
They've got the Sunderland Connect ones too.
Unber43
01 Feb 2023, 8:48 pm #17

(01 Feb 2023, 8:20 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Yes but the Streetlites are built between 2015 and 2022 same with the Solo SR's so if they were needed in Newcastle they would be fine. I Think GNE only has 1 Euro 6 SR which is 717.
They've got the Sunderland Connect ones too.

Storx



4,632
01 Feb 2023, 8:50 pm #18
(01 Feb 2023, 8:20 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Yes but the Streetlites are built between 2015 and 2022 same with the Solo SR's so if they were needed in Newcastle they would be fine. I Think GNE only has 1 Euro 6 SR which is 717.

It doesn't matter they're not Euro 6. It's not about dates, it's about engine NOx output. They'd get fined, the checker is just wrong. Dan has already said they're getting Euro 6 mods so they've got an exception btw.
Storx
01 Feb 2023, 8:50 pm #18

(01 Feb 2023, 8:20 pm)KingSlayerRBLX Yes but the Streetlites are built between 2015 and 2022 same with the Solo SR's so if they were needed in Newcastle they would be fine. I Think GNE only has 1 Euro 6 SR which is 717.

It doesn't matter they're not Euro 6. It's not about dates, it's about engine NOx output. They'd get fined, the checker is just wrong. Dan has already said they're getting Euro 6 mods so they've got an exception btw.

Unber43



3,567
04 Feb 2023, 7:44 am #19
What about the 684/74

5377-79 are Euro 6(i think), but the Tynedale Links Solos aren't neither are 665/666/672
Unber43
04 Feb 2023, 7:44 am #19

What about the 684/74

5377-79 are Euro 6(i think), but the Tynedale Links Solos aren't neither are 665/666/672

Dan

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18,128
04 Feb 2023, 7:50 am #20
(04 Feb 2023, 7:44 am)Unber43 What about the 684/74

5377-79 are Euro 6(i think), but the Tynedale Links Solos aren't neither are 665/666/672


The Solos (apart from 721) are being upgraded to Euro 6 so are exempt.

Realistically, any operator that is continuing to allocate the same vehicles on services entering the CAZ is probably exempt from charges on those vehicles.


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Dan
04 Feb 2023, 7:50 am #20

(04 Feb 2023, 7:44 am)Unber43 What about the 684/74

5377-79 are Euro 6(i think), but the Tynedale Links Solos aren't neither are 665/666/672


The Solos (apart from 721) are being upgraded to Euro 6 so are exempt.

Realistically, any operator that is continuing to allocate the same vehicles on services entering the CAZ is probably exempt from charges on those vehicles.


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