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15 Mar 2023, 6:47 pm #21
(15 Mar 2023, 6:36 pm)Washingtonian I liked all those to be honest, although I hated it when a breadvan would turn up on a busy route.

Some of the electric vehicles look good, particularly the Alexander Dennis bodied ones but the majority have a boring look about them and just basically a box on wheels. One of the enjoyable things about being on a bus is listening to the engine and gear changes - something that gives them character. Some of these electric vehicles make some awful noises. I remember seeing a video of a demo one and it sounded absolutely dreadful!


Oh yeah I agree. The versas are a good bus in my opinion but I would more than happily swap them for a Leyland National, Lynx, Atlantean, Olympian or MCW Metrobus anytime!


Yeah well summed up! ?

Those ADL EVs are awful, a diesel engine hides the creekiness of their cheap build quality. The Yutongs, while feeling flimsy and top heavy, are nowhere near as bad.

I must admit, despite being a lover of a good diesel, I really do like the whine of an electric motor.
I used to love riding the B5Hs for the noise alone!
streetdeckfan
15 Mar 2023, 6:47 pm #21

(15 Mar 2023, 6:36 pm)Washingtonian I liked all those to be honest, although I hated it when a breadvan would turn up on a busy route.

Some of the electric vehicles look good, particularly the Alexander Dennis bodied ones but the majority have a boring look about them and just basically a box on wheels. One of the enjoyable things about being on a bus is listening to the engine and gear changes - something that gives them character. Some of these electric vehicles make some awful noises. I remember seeing a video of a demo one and it sounded absolutely dreadful!


Oh yeah I agree. The versas are a good bus in my opinion but I would more than happily swap them for a Leyland National, Lynx, Atlantean, Olympian or MCW Metrobus anytime!


Yeah well summed up! ?

Those ADL EVs are awful, a diesel engine hides the creekiness of their cheap build quality. The Yutongs, while feeling flimsy and top heavy, are nowhere near as bad.

I must admit, despite being a lover of a good diesel, I really do like the whine of an electric motor.
I used to love riding the B5Hs for the noise alone!

V514DFT



2,261
15 Mar 2023, 7:20 pm #22
Have to say, i loved the Metroriders, and your Leylands, i grew up with both

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
15 Mar 2023, 7:20 pm #22

Have to say, i loved the Metroriders, and your Leylands, i grew up with both


Kind Regards
Tez

Storx



4,638
15 Mar 2023, 7:27 pm #23
(15 Mar 2023, 6:36 pm)Washingtonian I liked all those to be honest, although I hated it when a breadvan would turn up on a busy route.

Some of the electric vehicles look good, particularly the Alexander Dennis bodied ones but the majority have a boring look about them and just basically a box on wheels. One of the enjoyable things about being on a bus is listening to the engine and gear changes - something that gives them character. Some of these electric vehicles make some awful noises. I remember seeing a video of a demo one and it sounded absolutely dreadful

See I've never liked the noise of the Allison gearbox find them boring like sitting in a van pretty much and they all have them and for some reason they always seem to have idle problems aswell. The Vario's were particularly bad for it.

Can't beat the whine of a proper Voith even known some will disagree massively with that and a good old ZF. They're a bit dull nowadays aswell though tbh.

The mid 00's Voith in particular is very tuneful which was in the 3 Commanders at Blyth and the DB250's about. Shame we didn't get many with it up here though with GoNorthEast and Stagecoach both mostly getting ZF's and Arriva getting nothing at all.
Storx
15 Mar 2023, 7:27 pm #23

(15 Mar 2023, 6:36 pm)Washingtonian I liked all those to be honest, although I hated it when a breadvan would turn up on a busy route.

Some of the electric vehicles look good, particularly the Alexander Dennis bodied ones but the majority have a boring look about them and just basically a box on wheels. One of the enjoyable things about being on a bus is listening to the engine and gear changes - something that gives them character. Some of these electric vehicles make some awful noises. I remember seeing a video of a demo one and it sounded absolutely dreadful

See I've never liked the noise of the Allison gearbox find them boring like sitting in a van pretty much and they all have them and for some reason they always seem to have idle problems aswell. The Vario's were particularly bad for it.

Can't beat the whine of a proper Voith even known some will disagree massively with that and a good old ZF. They're a bit dull nowadays aswell though tbh.

The mid 00's Voith in particular is very tuneful which was in the 3 Commanders at Blyth and the DB250's about. Shame we didn't get many with it up here though with GoNorthEast and Stagecoach both mostly getting ZF's and Arriva getting nothing at all.

Acky81



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16 Mar 2023, 3:46 pm #24
Deptford will take the green arrows
Acky81
16 Mar 2023, 3:46 pm #24

Deptford will take the green arrows

nova347



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16 Mar 2023, 7:28 pm #25
(16 Mar 2023, 3:46 pm)Acky81 Deptford will take the green arrows
Really? What are they going on? Please say the 60 if this is true. But I can see them going on the 35 or the 39s which is probably less than likely.
nova347
16 Mar 2023, 7:28 pm #25

(16 Mar 2023, 3:46 pm)Acky81 Deptford will take the green arrows
Really? What are they going on? Please say the 60 if this is true. But I can see them going on the 35 or the 39s which is probably less than likely.

L469 YVK



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16 Mar 2023, 9:07 pm #26
(15 Mar 2023, 7:27 pm)Storx The mid 00's Voith in particular is very tuneful which was in the 3 Commanders at Blyth and the DB250's about. Shame we didn't get many with it up here though with GoNorthEast and Stagecoach both mostly getting ZF's and Arriva getting nothing at all.
The DB250's had a very similar tune to GAG's Voith Leyland Olympians (B*** GCN and C*** LJR)

Northumbria's (P*** CCU) and Go Coastline's (S*** FVK/OFT) had a great sound full of character too with the ZF whine and D10-245 lump
L469 YVK
16 Mar 2023, 9:07 pm #26

(15 Mar 2023, 7:27 pm)Storx The mid 00's Voith in particular is very tuneful which was in the 3 Commanders at Blyth and the DB250's about. Shame we didn't get many with it up here though with GoNorthEast and Stagecoach both mostly getting ZF's and Arriva getting nothing at all.
The DB250's had a very similar tune to GAG's Voith Leyland Olympians (B*** GCN and C*** LJR)

Northumbria's (P*** CCU) and Go Coastline's (S*** FVK/OFT) had a great sound full of character too with the ZF whine and D10-245 lump

V514DFT



2,261
17 Mar 2023, 12:04 am #27
Cant beat a thrash of a Plaxton Prestige

Kind Regards
Tez
V514DFT
17 Mar 2023, 12:04 am #27

Cant beat a thrash of a Plaxton Prestige


Kind Regards
Tez

Storx



4,638
17 Mar 2023, 10:19 am #28
(16 Mar 2023, 9:07 pm)L469 YVK The DB250's had a very similar tune to GAG's Voith Leyland Olympians (B*** GCN and C*** LJR)

Northumbria's (P*** CCU) and Go Coastline's (S*** FVK/OFT) had a great sound full of character too with the ZF whine and D10-245 lump

Weren't the Olympians more of a grunt, similar to Scania N113's rather than the hum of the DB250's. I can't remember never used GNE much back then.

(17 Mar 2023, 12:04 am)V514DFT Cant beat a thrash of a Plaxton Prestige

Prestiges were awful just noisy ha and the thrash felt like you were flying until you looked out the window and you could've been getting overtaken by a tractor how slow some of them were.
Edited 17 Mar 2023, 10:20 am by Storx.
Storx
17 Mar 2023, 10:19 am #28

(16 Mar 2023, 9:07 pm)L469 YVK The DB250's had a very similar tune to GAG's Voith Leyland Olympians (B*** GCN and C*** LJR)

Northumbria's (P*** CCU) and Go Coastline's (S*** FVK/OFT) had a great sound full of character too with the ZF whine and D10-245 lump

Weren't the Olympians more of a grunt, similar to Scania N113's rather than the hum of the DB250's. I can't remember never used GNE much back then.

(17 Mar 2023, 12:04 am)V514DFT Cant beat a thrash of a Plaxton Prestige

Prestiges were awful just noisy ha and the thrash felt like you were flying until you looked out the window and you could've been getting overtaken by a tractor how slow some of them were.

17 Mar 2023, 11:22 am #29
(16 Mar 2023, 7:28 pm)nova347 Really? What are they going on? Please say the 60 if this is true. But I can see them going on the 35 or the 39s which is probably less than likely.

Wishful thinking probably. It's only the busiest service ran out of Deptford along side the 56, it's not like it deserves buses newer than 10 years old.
deanmachine
17 Mar 2023, 11:22 am #29

(16 Mar 2023, 7:28 pm)nova347 Really? What are they going on? Please say the 60 if this is true. But I can see them going on the 35 or the 39s which is probably less than likely.

Wishful thinking probably. It's only the busiest service ran out of Deptford along side the 56, it's not like it deserves buses newer than 10 years old.

S813 FVK



6,030
17 Mar 2023, 12:15 pm #30
A couple have appeared at Consett and are on 16s today

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S813 FVK
17 Mar 2023, 12:15 pm #30

A couple have appeared at Consett and are on 16s today

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17 Mar 2023, 4:02 pm #31
(17 Mar 2023, 12:15 pm)S813 FVK A couple have appeared at Consett and are on 16s today

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Yeah, Seen the 2 today
KingSlayerRBLX
17 Mar 2023, 4:02 pm #31

(17 Mar 2023, 12:15 pm)S813 FVK A couple have appeared at Consett and are on 16s today

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Yeah, Seen the 2 today

Michael



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18 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm #32
(14 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm)Dan 8310-12 from Riverside will replace 5334-36. They are already surplus at Riverside following return to service of 5384-88 so should transfer this week to enable 5328-36 to transfer to Go North West (due to their increased vehicle requirement for new contracts from next month).

Effectively the number of spare fleet livery Streetlites will reduce (these being used on 20 and 65), and the number of spare fleet livery Versa will increase.


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Have 8310-8312 transferred to Deptford yet, just the Versa's and the Violet Citaro's aren't tracking today.

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Michael
18 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm #32

(14 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm)Dan 8310-12 from Riverside will replace 5334-36. They are already surplus at Riverside following return to service of 5384-88 so should transfer this week to enable 5328-36 to transfer to Go North West (due to their increased vehicle requirement for new contracts from next month).

Effectively the number of spare fleet livery Streetlites will reduce (these being used on 20 and 65), and the number of spare fleet livery Versa will increase.


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Have 8310-8312 transferred to Deptford yet, just the Versa's and the Violet Citaro's aren't tracking today.


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,128
19 Mar 2023, 5:20 am #33
(18 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm)Michael Have 8310-8312 transferred to Deptford yet, just the Versa's and the Violet Citaro's aren't tracking today.


Yes, they transferred yesterday and the three Citaros were withdrawn.

3962 also transferred to Washington yesterday for Metro Replacement (GNE have 5 buses out between Airport and South Gosforth next week, operating from depots which are over-staffed), and 6196 should have been transferred from Percy Main to Consett for the same purpose.

5328 - 5336 have all been sold to Go North West. 5328 and 5332 were two to leave the fleet yesterday and two more to follow today.


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Dan
19 Mar 2023, 5:20 am #33

(18 Mar 2023, 12:03 pm)Michael Have 8310-8312 transferred to Deptford yet, just the Versa's and the Violet Citaro's aren't tracking today.


Yes, they transferred yesterday and the three Citaros were withdrawn.

3962 also transferred to Washington yesterday for Metro Replacement (GNE have 5 buses out between Airport and South Gosforth next week, operating from depots which are over-staffed), and 6196 should have been transferred from Percy Main to Consett for the same purpose.

5328 - 5336 have all been sold to Go North West. 5328 and 5332 were two to leave the fleet yesterday and two more to follow today.


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Aaron21



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19 Mar 2023, 8:14 am #34
(19 Mar 2023, 5:20 am)Dan Yes, they transferred yesterday and the three Citaros were withdrawn.

3962 also transferred to Washington yesterday for Metro Replacement (GNE have 5 buses out between Airport and South Gosforth next week, operating from depots which are over-staffed), and 6196 should have been transferred from Percy Main to Consett for the same purpose.

5328 - 5336 have all been sold to Go North West. 5328 and 5332 were two to leave the fleet yesterday and two more to follow today.


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Will Percy Main get 6196 back after Metro Replacement
Aaron21
19 Mar 2023, 8:14 am #34

(19 Mar 2023, 5:20 am)Dan Yes, they transferred yesterday and the three Citaros were withdrawn.

3962 also transferred to Washington yesterday for Metro Replacement (GNE have 5 buses out between Airport and South Gosforth next week, operating from depots which are over-staffed), and 6196 should have been transferred from Percy Main to Consett for the same purpose.

5328 - 5336 have all been sold to Go North West. 5328 and 5332 were two to leave the fleet yesterday and two more to follow today.


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Will Percy Main get 6196 back after Metro Replacement

Michael



19,178
19 Mar 2023, 10:04 am #35
(19 Mar 2023, 5:20 am)Dan Yes, they transferred yesterday and the three Citaros were withdrawn.

3962 also transferred to Washington yesterday for Metro Replacement (GNE have 5 buses out between Airport and South Gosforth next week, operating from depots which are over-staffed), and 6196 should have been transferred from Percy Main to Consett for the same purpose.

5328 - 5336 have all been sold to Go North West. 5328 and 5332 were two to leave the fleet yesterday and two more to follow today.


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Thank you Dan

Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.
Michael
19 Mar 2023, 10:04 am #35

(19 Mar 2023, 5:20 am)Dan Yes, they transferred yesterday and the three Citaros were withdrawn.

3962 also transferred to Washington yesterday for Metro Replacement (GNE have 5 buses out between Airport and South Gosforth next week, operating from depots which are over-staffed), and 6196 should have been transferred from Percy Main to Consett for the same purpose.

5328 - 5336 have all been sold to Go North West. 5328 and 5332 were two to leave the fleet yesterday and two more to follow today.


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Thank you Dan


Ooo Friend, Bus Friend.

Dan

Site Administrator

18,128
19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am #36
(19 Mar 2023, 8:14 am)Aaron21 Will Percy Main get 6196 back after Metro Replacement


No, it was replaced at Percy Main by 6203 this week.

6201/21 allocated to Percy Main for Metro Replacement next week, but both will leave Percy Main and go to other depots after the Metro Replacement is finished.


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Dan
19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am #36

(19 Mar 2023, 8:14 am)Aaron21 Will Percy Main get 6196 back after Metro Replacement


No, it was replaced at Percy Main by 6203 this week.

6201/21 allocated to Percy Main for Metro Replacement next week, but both will leave Percy Main and go to other depots after the Metro Replacement is finished.


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Dan

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18,128
19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am #37
(19 Mar 2023, 10:04 am)Michael Thank you Dan


5335 and 5336 are the two which have gone today.


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Dan
19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am #37

(19 Mar 2023, 10:04 am)Michael Thank you Dan


5335 and 5336 are the two which have gone today.


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19 Mar 2023, 2:33 pm #38
(19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am)Dan 5335 and 5336 are the two which have gone today.


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No more violets.hurray ... bloody awful
Retro Nero
19 Mar 2023, 2:33 pm #38

(19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am)Dan 5335 and 5336 are the two which have gone today.


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No more violets.hurray ... bloody awful

19 Mar 2023, 3:43 pm #39
(15 Mar 2023, 7:27 pm)Storx See I've never liked the noise of the Allison gearbox find them boring like sitting in a van pretty much and they all have them and for some reason they always seem to have idle problems aswell. The Vario's were particularly bad for it.

Can't beat the whine of a proper Voith even known some will disagree massively with that and a good old ZF. They're a bit dull nowadays aswell though tbh.

The mid 00's Voith in particular is very tuneful which was in the 3 Commanders at Blyth and the DB250's about. Shame we didn't get many with it up here though with GoNorthEast and Stagecoach both mostly getting ZF's and Arriva getting nothing at all.


Can’t beat the voith whine especially when it’s coupled to a Volvo engine


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adavies3774
19 Mar 2023, 3:43 pm #39

(15 Mar 2023, 7:27 pm)Storx See I've never liked the noise of the Allison gearbox find them boring like sitting in a van pretty much and they all have them and for some reason they always seem to have idle problems aswell. The Vario's were particularly bad for it.

Can't beat the whine of a proper Voith even known some will disagree massively with that and a good old ZF. They're a bit dull nowadays aswell though tbh.

The mid 00's Voith in particular is very tuneful which was in the 3 Commanders at Blyth and the DB250's about. Shame we didn't get many with it up here though with GoNorthEast and Stagecoach both mostly getting ZF's and Arriva getting nothing at all.


Can’t beat the voith whine especially when it’s coupled to a Volvo engine


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nova347



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20 Mar 2023, 5:12 pm #40
(19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am)Dan 5335 and 5336 are the two which have gone today.


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Sad times. Gone but not forgotten. The Citaros, the best there was, there best there is and the best there ever will be.
nova347
20 Mar 2023, 5:12 pm #40

(19 Mar 2023, 11:13 am)Dan 5335 and 5336 are the two which have gone today.


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Sad times. Gone but not forgotten. The Citaros, the best there was, there best there is and the best there ever will be.

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