Reintroduction of Temporarily Reduced Services Back to Original Frequency
Reintroduction of Temporarily Reduced Services Back to Original Frequency
(02 Feb 2024, 11:13 pm)DaveFromUpNorth See when I hear capacity issue I think NIMBY passengers
Not in my back yard...
These days a single decker say 40 seats is realistic 20 seats why
Every one sits and has a row to themselves
If alone with friends I'ts a little different as two would sit together
So capacity "perception is reduced" as the bus is full If a single decker If one person sits on each row of two seats...
I always recall the GCT BUS I used to get on a morning before driving to work
17 people sitting on a bus and it looked full on a 30 ish seater bus
The aim should be not to feel cramped sniffing armpits listening to other music or standing on the bus from Durham to Sland
(02 Feb 2024, 11:13 pm)DaveFromUpNorth See when I hear capacity issue I think NIMBY passengers
Not in my back yard...
These days a single decker say 40 seats is realistic 20 seats why
Every one sits and has a row to themselves
If alone with friends I'ts a little different as two would sit together
So capacity "perception is reduced" as the bus is full If a single decker If one person sits on each row of two seats...
I always recall the GCT BUS I used to get on a morning before driving to work
17 people sitting on a bus and it looked full on a 30 ish seater bus
The aim should be not to feel cramped sniffing armpits listening to other music or standing on the bus from Durham to Sland
I don't think it is lack of investment
We all know London needs the amazing buses and the mid life workhorses need to be cascaded elsewhere
I think a as a personal opinion that the group reorganisation is to blame incorporating GNE into East Yorkshire
Which Martijn at the time had to take under his remit
Then we saw ECMS under GNE suddenly become part of GNWest
Under the MD control now how many buses is he in charge control never-mind the public ownership of Manchester "bee Network" plus travelling between Newcastle and Manchester by train or car with an added trip from Scarborough to Manchester
The area is out of depth for a plc company and needs be chopped up
Many people have views of Martijn but as a North East Region he did a canny job of even improving "tat" aka midlife buses
His biggest test was covid when he shut down depots used them as storage depots to run a service
During the initial covid outbreak the best mile per bus was running and worst performing buses was VOR
We need to really consider is the area for Nigel too big as a MD which will be a failure
He will see stats and figures but will never understand or visit villages like Quaking Houses or Greenside or even No-Place or High Haddenhold
He will go on data its how the PLc wants to run the business
As an MD
If Manchester is busier and more profitable would you not send the best to that area
I may be cynical but hasn't a few buses went to Manchester recently aka in the past 12 months ?
I don’t really buy that. Most major businesses have leaders who run operations across countries never mind counties.
It’s about having the right leader in place with the right team around them. The leader should be strategic, overseeing and owning the strategy whilst employing support teams and managers who implement it. He shouldn’t be anywhere near the day to day aside an inform. Local level management should be more than capable. The problem is seemingly GNE don’t have that level of skill under Nigel so balls are being dropped.
I don’t think the lack of investment is necessarily in stock. London buses really aren’t that amazing, they’ve just started getting gimmicks like usb etc. The lack of investment is in the network and in people hence the dispute in 2023. There’s no buy in, no local leadership and that naturally demotivates and causes performance issues.
Either that or stevie wonder is doing allocations at riverside
(02 Feb 2024, 10:26 pm)Storx Does anyone know if the X20 is tendered for Deckers? I just find it a bit strange how a bus route which wasn't sustainable at all on a commercial basis, now suddenly needs Deckers on it. It's going from one extreme to the other.The whole issue is that Derwentside is rota'd and interworked around the X30/X31 due to the low height decker bridge around Ellison Road yet, Riverside are having to make do with wholly unsuitable vehicles for the X21 and hardly no cover for the X10 other than 6377.
Surely the Enviro 200 MMC's which are going from pillar to post lately could've done it instead with the B5TL's being at Riverside or Consett who are both struggling with Decker's lately.
(02 Feb 2024, 10:26 pm)Storx Does anyone know if the X20 is tendered for Deckers? I just find it a bit strange how a bus route which wasn't sustainable at all on a commercial basis, now suddenly needs Deckers on it. It's going from one extreme to the other.The whole issue is that Derwentside is rota'd and interworked around the X30/X31 due to the low height decker bridge around Ellison Road yet, Riverside are having to make do with wholly unsuitable vehicles for the X21 and hardly no cover for the X10 other than 6377.
Surely the Enviro 200 MMC's which are going from pillar to post lately could've done it instead with the B5TL's being at Riverside or Consett who are both struggling with Decker's lately.
(03 Feb 2024, 12:00 am)DaveFromUpNorth I don't think it is lack of investment
We all know London needs the amazing buses and the mid life workhorses need to be cascaded elsewhere
I think a as a personal opinion that the group reorganisation is to blame incorporating GNE into East Yorkshire
Which Martijn at the time had to take under his remit
Then we saw ECMS under GNE suddenly become part of GNWest
Under the MD control now how many buses is he in charge control never-mind the public ownership of Manchester "bee Network" plus travelling between Newcastle and Manchester by train or car with an added trip from Scarborough to Manchester
The area is out of depth for a plc company and needs be chopped up
Many people have views of Martijn but as a North East Region he did a canny job of even improving "tat" aka midlife buses
His biggest test was covid when he shut down depots used them as storage depots to run a service
During the initial covid outbreak the best mile per bus was running and worst performing buses was VOR
We need to really consider is the area for Nigel too big as a MD which will be a failure
He will see stats and figures but will never understand or visit villages like Quaking Houses or Greenside or even No-Place or High Haddenhold
He will go on data its how the PLc wants to run the business
As an MD
If Manchester is busier and more profitable would you not send the best to that area
I may be cynical but hasn't a few buses went to Manchester recently aka in the past 12 months ?
(03 Feb 2024, 12:00 am)DaveFromUpNorth I don't think it is lack of investment
We all know London needs the amazing buses and the mid life workhorses need to be cascaded elsewhere
I think a as a personal opinion that the group reorganisation is to blame incorporating GNE into East Yorkshire
Which Martijn at the time had to take under his remit
Then we saw ECMS under GNE suddenly become part of GNWest
Under the MD control now how many buses is he in charge control never-mind the public ownership of Manchester "bee Network" plus travelling between Newcastle and Manchester by train or car with an added trip from Scarborough to Manchester
The area is out of depth for a plc company and needs be chopped up
Many people have views of Martijn but as a North East Region he did a canny job of even improving "tat" aka midlife buses
His biggest test was covid when he shut down depots used them as storage depots to run a service
During the initial covid outbreak the best mile per bus was running and worst performing buses was VOR
We need to really consider is the area for Nigel too big as a MD which will be a failure
He will see stats and figures but will never understand or visit villages like Quaking Houses or Greenside or even No-Place or High Haddenhold
He will go on data its how the PLc wants to run the business
As an MD
If Manchester is busier and more profitable would you not send the best to that area
I may be cynical but hasn't a few buses went to Manchester recently aka in the past 12 months ?
(03 Feb 2024, 12:00 am)DaveFromUpNorth I don't think it is lack of investment
We all know London needs the amazing buses and the mid life workhorses need to be cascaded elsewhere
I think a as a personal opinion that the group reorganisation is to blame incorporating GNE into East Yorkshire
Which Martijn at the time had to take under his remit
Then we saw ECMS under GNE suddenly become part of GNWest
Under the MD control now how many buses is he in charge control never-mind the public ownership of Manchester "bee Network" plus travelling between Newcastle and Manchester by train or car with an added trip from Scarborough to Manchester
The area is out of depth for a plc company and needs be chopped up
Many people have views of Martijn but as a North East Region he did a canny job of even improving "tat" aka midlife buses
His biggest test was covid when he shut down depots used them as storage depots to run a service
During the initial covid outbreak the best mile per bus was running and worst performing buses was VOR
We need to really consider is the area for Nigel too big as a MD which will be a failure
He will see stats and figures but will never understand or visit villages like Quaking Houses or Greenside or even No-Place or High Haddenhold
He will go on data its how the PLc wants to run the business
As an MD
If Manchester is busier and more profitable would you not send the best to that area
I may be cynical but hasn't a few buses went to Manchester recently aka in the past 12 months ?
(03 Feb 2024, 12:00 am)DaveFromUpNorth I don't think it is lack of investment
We all know London needs the amazing buses and the mid life workhorses need to be cascaded elsewhere
I think a as a personal opinion that the group reorganisation is to blame incorporating GNE into East Yorkshire
Which Martijn at the time had to take under his remit
Then we saw ECMS under GNE suddenly become part of GNWest
Under the MD control now how many buses is he in charge control never-mind the public ownership of Manchester "bee Network" plus travelling between Newcastle and Manchester by train or car with an added trip from Scarborough to Manchester
The area is out of depth for a plc company and needs be chopped up
Many people have views of Martijn but as a North East Region he did a canny job of even improving "tat" aka midlife buses
His biggest test was covid when he shut down depots used them as storage depots to run a service
During the initial covid outbreak the best mile per bus was running and worst performing buses was VOR
We need to really consider is the area for Nigel too big as a MD which will be a failure
He will see stats and figures but will never understand or visit villages like Quaking Houses or Greenside or even No-Place or High Haddenhold
He will go on data its how the PLc wants to run the business
As an MD
If Manchester is busier and more profitable would you not send the best to that area
I may be cynical but hasn't a few buses went to Manchester recently aka in the past 12 months ?
(03 Feb 2024, 9:04 am)Unber43 Between the 21/X10/X21 there is Flexability, 6333, 3 Angles and 6377.
Theres pretty much always atleast 1 X10 off, one-four X21, and 3 21's. However a lot of this is due to incompetent allocating, such as putting them on school routes or the 57.
(03 Feb 2024, 1:34 pm)Andreos1 Wasted money imo.
Said so at the time and still believe it now.
Before Covid, there was a chance to revise the network.
In the months following, there was another opportunity to revise it. Probably the best opportunity there ever was.
Instead, he continued to titivate and assume that would bring passengers back.
Totally forgetting the change in passenger habits, journeys or many other factors that came in to play.
The titivations could have came about after the network was reassessed. Assuming that's what passengers actually wanted and not what people thought they wanted.
(03 Feb 2024, 9:04 am)Unber43 Between the 21/X10/X21 there is Flexability, 6333, 3 Angles and 6377.
Theres pretty much always atleast 1 X10 off, one-four X21, and 3 21's. However a lot of this is due to incompetent allocating, such as putting them on school routes or the 57.
(03 Feb 2024, 1:34 pm)Andreos1 Wasted money imo.
Said so at the time and still believe it now.
Before Covid, there was a chance to revise the network.
In the months following, there was another opportunity to revise it. Probably the best opportunity there ever was.
Instead, he continued to titivate and assume that would bring passengers back.
Totally forgetting the change in passenger habits, journeys or many other factors that came in to play.
The titivations could have came about after the network was reassessed. Assuming that's what passengers actually wanted and not what people thought they wanted.
I think it's worth pointing out that to qualify for CBSSG, an operator needed to run 90% (I think) off pre COVID mileage in order to get help. So, even if they wanted to make fundamental changes, they couldn't (unless they totally redesigned the entire network with out of date data which came to a similar mileage)
6022 on the Angel, we got overtaken by a bike on Newcastle Bank out of Birtley
Better than ever..,
(02 Feb 2024, 10:26 pm)Storx Does anyone know if the X20 is tendered for Deckers? I just find it a bit strange how a bus route which wasn't sustainable at all on a commercial basis, now suddenly needs Deckers on it. It's going from one extreme to the other.
Surely the Enviro 200 MMC's which are going from pillar to post lately could've done it instead with the B5TL's being at Riverside or Consett who are both struggling with Decker's lately.
(02 Feb 2024, 10:26 pm)Storx Does anyone know if the X20 is tendered for Deckers? I just find it a bit strange how a bus route which wasn't sustainable at all on a commercial basis, now suddenly needs Deckers on it. It's going from one extreme to the other.
Surely the Enviro 200 MMC's which are going from pillar to post lately could've done it instead with the B5TL's being at Riverside or Consett who are both struggling with Decker's lately.
(03 Feb 2024, 3:55 pm)DeltaMan I think it's worth pointing out that to qualify for CBSSG, an operator needed to run 90% (I think) off pre COVID mileage in order to get help. So, even if they wanted to make fundamental changes, they couldn't (unless they totally redesigned the entire network with out of date data which came to a similar mileage)
(03 Feb 2024, 3:55 pm)DeltaMan I think it's worth pointing out that to qualify for CBSSG, an operator needed to run 90% (I think) off pre COVID mileage in order to get help. So, even if they wanted to make fundamental changes, they couldn't (unless they totally redesigned the entire network with out of date data which came to a similar mileage)
(04 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm)Andreos1 Data gathered from the vehicles or actual data from people who would make the modal switch if there was a viable alternative?
It goes without saying that the data they gather on their vehicles is useful. But it's only useful in gathering data for existing passengers.
Not data from the ones who have moved on or never touched public transport in the first place.
The proportion of people using public transport regularly vs the proportion that don't, shows how many views/opinions/needs aren't taken in to consideration when these changes, revisions or tweaks are made.
A pro-active operator would seek these out at whatever cost*. Because even a small proportion of car users switching to a viable alternative, not only makes helps those profits, but it has a huge positive impact on reliability.
*I'd hazard a guess the ROI is far greater than titivations ever were.
(04 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm)Andreos1 Data gathered from the vehicles or actual data from people who would make the modal switch if there was a viable alternative?
It goes without saying that the data they gather on their vehicles is useful. But it's only useful in gathering data for existing passengers.
Not data from the ones who have moved on or never touched public transport in the first place.
The proportion of people using public transport regularly vs the proportion that don't, shows how many views/opinions/needs aren't taken in to consideration when these changes, revisions or tweaks are made.
A pro-active operator would seek these out at whatever cost*. Because even a small proportion of car users switching to a viable alternative, not only makes helps those profits, but it has a huge positive impact on reliability.
*I'd hazard a guess the ROI is far greater than titivations ever were.
(04 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm)Andreos1 Data gathered from the vehicles or actual data from people who would make the modal switch if there was a viable alternative?
It goes without saying that the data they gather on their vehicles is useful. But it's only useful in gathering data for existing passengers.
Not data from the ones who have moved on or never touched public transport in the first place.
The proportion of people using public transport regularly vs the proportion that don't, shows how many views/opinions/needs aren't taken in to consideration when these changes, revisions or tweaks are made.
A pro-active operator would seek these out at whatever cost*. Because even a small proportion of car users switching to a viable alternative, not only makes helps those profits, but it has a huge positive impact on reliability.
*I'd hazard a guess the ROI is far greater than titivations ever were.
(04 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm)Andreos1 Data gathered from the vehicles or actual data from people who would make the modal switch if there was a viable alternative?
It goes without saying that the data they gather on their vehicles is useful. But it's only useful in gathering data for existing passengers.
Not data from the ones who have moved on or never touched public transport in the first place.
The proportion of people using public transport regularly vs the proportion that don't, shows how many views/opinions/needs aren't taken in to consideration when these changes, revisions or tweaks are made.
A pro-active operator would seek these out at whatever cost*. Because even a small proportion of car users switching to a viable alternative, not only makes helps those profits, but it has a huge positive impact on reliability.
*I'd hazard a guess the ROI is far greater than titivations ever were.
(04 Feb 2024, 2:05 am)Jimmi At least some of the boards on the X20 require double deckers for peak time loadings to/from Langley Park which was why some 20 boards were being allocated double deckers in the X20's absence.
Not too sure beyond that if the X20 really requires deckers, although at least its more Euro 6 CAZ compliant deckers that could be sent to Newcastle on the 56 if required.
(04 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm)Andreos1 Data gathered from the vehicles or actual data from people who would make the modal switch if there was a viable alternative?
It goes without saying that the data they gather on their vehicles is useful. But it's only useful in gathering data for existing passengers.
Not data from the ones who have moved on or never touched public transport in the first place.
The proportion of people using public transport regularly vs the proportion that don't, shows how many views/opinions/needs aren't taken in to consideration when these changes, revisions or tweaks are made.
A pro-active operator would seek these out at whatever cost*. Because even a small proportion of car users switching to a viable alternative, not only makes helps those profits, but it has a huge positive impact on reliability.
*I'd hazard a guess the ROI is far greater than titivations ever were.
(04 Feb 2024, 2:05 am)Jimmi At least some of the boards on the X20 require double deckers for peak time loadings to/from Langley Park which was why some 20 boards were being allocated double deckers in the X20's absence.
Not too sure beyond that if the X20 really requires deckers, although at least its more Euro 6 CAZ compliant deckers that could be sent to Newcastle on the 56 if required.
(04 Feb 2024, 12:15 pm)Andreos1 Data gathered from the vehicles or actual data from people who would make the modal switch if there was a viable alternative?
It goes without saying that the data they gather on their vehicles is useful. But it's only useful in gathering data for existing passengers.
Not data from the ones who have moved on or never touched public transport in the first place.
The proportion of people using public transport regularly vs the proportion that don't, shows how many views/opinions/needs aren't taken in to consideration when these changes, revisions or tweaks are made.
A pro-active operator would seek these out at whatever cost*. Because even a small proportion of car users switching to a viable alternative, not only makes helps those profits, but it has a huge positive impact on reliability.
*I'd hazard a guess the ROI is far greater than titivations ever were.
(03 Feb 2024, 9:04 am)Unber43 Between the 21/X10/X21 there is Flexability, 6333, 3 Angles and 6377.
Theres pretty much always atleast 1 X10 off, one-four X21, and 3 21's. However a lot of this is due to incompetent allocating, such as putting them on school routes or the 57.
(03 Feb 2024, 9:04 am)Unber43 Between the 21/X10/X21 there is Flexability, 6333, 3 Angles and 6377.
Theres pretty much always atleast 1 X10 off, one-four X21, and 3 21's. However a lot of this is due to incompetent allocating, such as putting them on school routes or the 57.
