CAZ violations
CAZ violations
I was on MX61 AVL (1538) in Newcastle on the X14. I think the bus is Euro 5. Would Arriva gotten fined?
(05 Feb 2023, 5:26 pm)RobinHood No, because it is Euro 6.
(07 Feb 2023, 7:27 pm)ne14ne1 Are Stagecoach’s ALX300s exempt as they’re due to be replaced?
Saw two in the city today.
(07 Feb 2023, 7:27 pm)ne14ne1 Are Stagecoach’s ALX300s exempt as they’re due to be replaced?
Saw two in the city today.
(09 Feb 2023, 2:10 pm)omnicity4659 Yes, we can take them through with no penalty.
I drove one through on the first day of the CAZ to test the theory.
(09 Feb 2023, 2:10 pm)omnicity4659 Yes, we can take them through with no penalty.
I drove one through on the first day of the CAZ to test the theory.
(09 Feb 2023, 7:56 pm)mb134 Ridiculous that a company as large as Stagecoach are willingly sending multiple non-compliant vehicles through a clean air zone that they've had literally years to prepare for, and are getting away with it.
(09 Feb 2023, 7:56 pm)mb134 Ridiculous that a company as large as Stagecoach are willingly sending multiple non-compliant vehicles through a clean air zone that they've had literally years to prepare for, and are getting away with it.
(09 Feb 2023, 8:21 pm)omnicity4659 The use of ALX300s is temporary until their Euro 6 replacements and the new E400s arrive.
Whilst predictable, there's currently a shortage of serviceable vehicles which means that the ALX300s are still being sent out. On routes that need a decker.
Hopefully these new vehicles see off the worst of the 2008 E400s and 2011 E400Hs, as well as all the remaining ALX300s. I do doubt that they'll be enough - unless we're getting more secondhand stock - as the training fleet is also going to be renewed at some point in the near future.
(09 Feb 2023, 8:21 pm)omnicity4659 The use of ALX300s is temporary until their Euro 6 replacements and the new E400s arrive.
Whilst predictable, there's currently a shortage of serviceable vehicles which means that the ALX300s are still being sent out. On routes that need a decker.
Hopefully these new vehicles see off the worst of the 2008 E400s and 2011 E400Hs, as well as all the remaining ALX300s. I do doubt that they'll be enough - unless we're getting more secondhand stock - as the training fleet is also going to be renewed at some point in the near future.
(09 Feb 2023, 9:26 pm)mb134 My initial post was more a statement on how badly the council have implemented the CAZ.
Allowing large companies extensions past the already pushed back start date is mental. Nearly as mental as it not having any impact on private cars.
(09 Feb 2023, 9:26 pm)mb134 My initial post was more a statement on how badly the council have implemented the CAZ.
Allowing large companies extensions past the already pushed back start date is mental. Nearly as mental as it not having any impact on private cars.
(09 Feb 2023, 9:43 pm)streetdeckfan Definitely agree there like, even taking into account the delays for new vehicles because of the bug new vehicles ordered for the original start date should already be here!
It's just a cash grab by a fiscally inept Council.
There's going to be no benefit from the CAZ other than for the Council's revenue, which no doubt will be spaffed away on very expensive PFI deals for trivial things.
There is already an impact on taxi driver levels, some who have been unable to afford a new vehicle (and a few have joined bus companies to make a living!), and any cuts to bus services is going to cause private car ownership to increase too, which will just worsen the pollution levels.
Extremely vague "charges apply" signage is going to put off people who aren't aware of the scheme from coming into the city centre, despite the currently illuminated signs, people are still confused as the wording is dreadful.
Would be better if there was a public transport system that worked in the first place, without resorting to forcing changes on people's livelihoods and making companies modify vehicle for barely any benefit to overall emissions.
(09 Feb 2023, 9:43 pm)streetdeckfan Definitely agree there like, even taking into account the delays for new vehicles because of the bug new vehicles ordered for the original start date should already be here!
(09 Feb 2023, 9:48 pm)omnicity4659 The fleet was going to meet the standard in time for the CAZ implementation.
The new vehicles will see off those that do not comply and will replace the troubled buses that are causing them to be used.
(09 Feb 2023, 9:48 pm)omnicity4659 The fleet was going to meet the standard in time for the CAZ implementation.
The new vehicles will see off those that do not comply and will replace the troubled buses that are causing them to be used.
(09 Feb 2023, 9:59 pm)streetdeckfan So it's just a case of them not being arsed to allocate compliant vehicles because they can get away with not allocating them?
(09 Feb 2023, 9:59 pm)streetdeckfan So it's just a case of them not being arsed to allocate compliant vehicles because they can get away with not allocating them?
(09 Feb 2023, 9:26 pm)mb134 My initial post was more a statement on how badly the council have implemented the CAZ.
Allowing large companies extensions past the already pushed back start date is mental. Nearly as mental as it not having any impact on private cars.
(09 Feb 2023, 10:21 pm)Storx The CAZ wasn't brought in by the choice of Newcastle / Gateshead Councils. It was forced by the government otherwise they were going to get fined.
They went for the option which affected the least people and hit the vehicles which cause the most problems.
(09 Feb 2023, 9:26 pm)mb134 My initial post was more a statement on how badly the council have implemented the CAZ.
Allowing large companies extensions past the already pushed back start date is mental. Nearly as mental as it not having any impact on private cars.
(09 Feb 2023, 10:21 pm)Storx The CAZ wasn't brought in by the choice of Newcastle / Gateshead Councils. It was forced by the government otherwise they were going to get fined.
They went for the option which affected the least people and hit the vehicles which cause the most problems.
(10 Feb 2023, 12:38 pm)Adrian Totally agree. The Govt issued a direction on this back in 2017, so operators have had more than enough time to plan for this without needing exemptions. It's not just buses though, they've actually agreed that many local exemptions that it makes a mockery of the whole scheme: https://www.breathe-cleanair.com/local-exemptions
Hopefully they'll extend it to all vehicles in the very near future, because it feels a bit like trying to carry water in a paper bag at the moment.
(10 Feb 2023, 12:38 pm)Adrian Totally agree. The Govt issued a direction on this back in 2017, so operators have had more than enough time to plan for this without needing exemptions. It's not just buses though, they've actually agreed that many local exemptions that it makes a mockery of the whole scheme: https://www.breathe-cleanair.com/local-exemptions
Hopefully they'll extend it to all vehicles in the very near future, because it feels a bit like trying to carry water in a paper bag at the moment.
(10 Feb 2023, 6:45 pm)streetdeckfan Bloody hell, that list goes on forever! Are there any vehicles that aren't exempt!
(10 Feb 2023, 6:45 pm)streetdeckfan Bloody hell, that list goes on forever! Are there any vehicles that aren't exempt!
(09 Feb 2023, 8:21 pm)omnicity4659 The use of ALX300s is temporary until their Euro 6 replacements and the new E400s arrive.currently all that has been announced for stagecoach in terms of new vehicles are 11 new E400MMCs, nowhere near enough to oust all the buses that are needed to go.
Whilst predictable, there's currently a shortage of serviceable vehicles which means that the ALX300s are still being sent out. On routes that need a decker.
Hopefully these new vehicles see off the worst of the 2008 E400s and 2011 E400Hs, as well as all the remaining ALX300s. I do doubt that they'll be enough - unless we're getting more secondhand stock - as the training fleet is also going to be renewed at some point in the near future.
(09 Feb 2023, 8:21 pm)omnicity4659 The use of ALX300s is temporary until their Euro 6 replacements and the new E400s arrive.currently all that has been announced for stagecoach in terms of new vehicles are 11 new E400MMCs, nowhere near enough to oust all the buses that are needed to go.
Whilst predictable, there's currently a shortage of serviceable vehicles which means that the ALX300s are still being sent out. On routes that need a decker.
Hopefully these new vehicles see off the worst of the 2008 E400s and 2011 E400Hs, as well as all the remaining ALX300s. I do doubt that they'll be enough - unless we're getting more secondhand stock - as the training fleet is also going to be renewed at some point in the near future.
